• Is homosexuality a disorder?
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What a wonderful shitstorm. :munch:
[QUOTE=altofproudfoot;18775125] And opinions aren't facts.[/QUOTE] Condradulations, you pass. :smug:
Homosexuality is a flaw in nature. The idea is that males and females will shag and have kids, carrying on the species. If someone's attracted to their own gender, it's not following this natural instinct. It may not be the way to carry on a species, but it's important not to lose sight of the perfectly decent and honest human being that comes with it. Plus, it's not impossible to be happy and gay. Any same sex couples who want a kid could easily adopt. I hear China's got hideously overcrowded orphanages, what with the whole "one child per couple" rule, which is how my aunt ended up adopting two girls from china with her girlfriend, and raising them in the US. Also, I'm not sure a cure for autism is worth anyone's time. I've got asperger syndrome myself, and although I've got the usual shit like trouble developing social skills, it's made me really good at maths and programming. There are other, more extreme cases out there of people who can't talk, but have an amazing ability with drawing. And I recall some guy who managed to memorise Pi to millions of places. Ended up having to give up his job as an accountant because he found it too exciting. :P When autism's found in children, there's generally speaking some extra support they can get to ensure their social skills develop properly so they're capable of fitting into society in the future. I'd say this is about as close to a cure as we need.
[QUOTE=lemming77;18775504]Homosexuality is a flaw in nature. The idea is that males and females will shag and have kids, carrying on the species. If someone's attracted to their own gender, it's not following this natural instinct. It may not be the way to carry on a species, but it's important not to lose sight of the perfectly decent and honest human being that comes with it. Plus, it's not impossible to be happy and gay. Any same sex couples who want a kid could easily adopt. I hear China's got hideously overcrowded orphanages, what with the whole "one child per couple" rule, which is how my aunt ended up adopting two girls from china with her girlfriend, and raising them in the US. Also, I'm not sure a cure for autism is worth anyone's time. I've got asperger syndrome myself, and although I've got the usual shit like trouble developing social skills, it's made me really good at maths and programming. There are other, more extreme cases out there of people who can't talk, but have an amazing ability with drawing. And I recall some guy who managed to memorise Pi to millions of places. Ended up having to give up his job as an accountant because he found it too exciting. :P When autism's found in children, there's generally speaking some extra support they can get to ensure their social skills develop properly so they're capable of fitting into society in the future. I'd say this is about as close to a cure as we need.[/QUOTE] of course it doesn't follow the natural flow so does masturbating and being sterile.
I suppose in theory it is, but this probably would only be applicable in nature, where most animals don't mate for life, but in todays modern society, and how the human train of though has evolved, it really isn't.
No, It's a choice
To all the people who think homosexuality is a flaw because homosexual people cannot reproduce, do you really think it is healthy for a species to reproduce as fast as fucking possible? No way, because the population would greatly increase and we'd run out of food/space quicker. I think that homosexuality is actually an advantage, because it slows population growth to make the resources more sustainable and it reduces intra-species aggression. And fuck "homosexuality is a choice." It has been observed time and time again that homosexuality appears in nature. ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior[/url]) Therefore it must be natural. Anyone with a religious or ethical reason to discriminate against homosexual people are fighting the very nature of our species.
DOG-GY style
[QUOTE=TheMar;18776518]To all the people who think homosexuality is a flaw because homosexual people cannot reproduce, do you really think it is healthy for a species to reproduce as fast as fucking possible? No way, because the population would greatly increase and we'd run out of food/space quicker. I think that homosexuality is actually an advantage, because it slows population growth to make the resources more sustainable and it reduces intra-species aggression. And fuck "homosexuality is a choice." It has been observed time and time again that homosexuality appears in nature. ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior[/url]) Therefore it must be natural. Anyone with a religious or ethical reason to discriminate against homosexual people are fighting the very nature of our species.[/QUOTE] Animals will still reproduce as much as they can, until the carrying capacity of the environment is reached (when some are killed off in competition for resources until a sustainable population is reached). Humans haven't got past the stage of indistinctly knowing exactly what the carrying capacity of an environment is, so we continue to feel the urge to reproduce, but due to our intelligence, knowledge that the world is overpopulated over-rides our instinct to reproduce as much as we can.
[QUOTE=Sams Brume;18774019]I don't have any proof, or evidence. I have what I think, just like how they only have what they think. We aren't social scientists running tests on mice and shit. We aren't trying to be politically correct and cover every variable. We're just arguing on the internet.[/QUOTE] You're missing the point. How can you call someone crazy for thinking people are born straight or gay while you have no reason to believe what you believe without any compelling evidence?
I never understood the whole born-with-it vs. it's a choice debate about the homosexuals. Does it really matter either way? They should still be allowed to do what satisfies them in life. It's not like it harms anyone.
[QUOTE=Uberkitty;18776642]I never understood the whole born-with-it vs. it's a choice debate about the homosexuals. Does it really matter either way? They should still be allowed to do what satisfies them in life. It's not like it harms anyone.[/QUOTE] No, it does matter. Homosexuals are not just magically "born homosexual", there is science behind it and I will not stop debating until this is found, and if we have proof that homosexuality is a natural thing in nature, caused by nature itself, then [I]no one[/I] can argue against "Homosexuals shouldn't have rights because they're not natural, etc." without arguing against a proven fact of science. Unlike arguing the creation of the universe, which is just a theory. Sure christians can still argue, but they only thing they'll have is the bible saying "Homosexuals are not natural: because I said so" arguing against proven science. Right now it's the bible arguing "Homosexuals are not natural: because I said so" against "Homosexuals are natural: because I said so" And it's also science for the sake of science. Which I find reason enough to debate. [B]Edited:[/B] Also, a thanks to VeryNiceLady for the hour long ban. The last time I called someone a fucktard it was a week long ban.
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;18776631]Animals will still reproduce as much as they can, until the carrying capacity of the environment is reached (when some are killed off in competition for resources until a sustainable population is reached). Humans haven't got past the stage of indistinctly knowing exactly what the carrying capacity of an environment is, so we continue to feel the urge to reproduce, but due to our intelligence, knowledge that the world is overpopulated over-rides our instinct to reproduce as much as we can.[/QUOTE] Just gotta fUCK
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;18776631]Animals will still reproduce as much as they can, until the carrying capacity of the environment is reached (when some are killed off in competition for resources until a sustainable population is reached). Humans haven't got past the stage of indistinctly knowing exactly what the carrying capacity of an environment is, so we continue to feel the urge to reproduce, but due to our intelligence, knowledge that the world is overpopulated over-rides our instinct to reproduce as much as we can.[/QUOTE] Of course, we're hard-wired to reproduce with no regard to the carrying capacity of our environment, but I get annoyed every time I see someone classify homosexuality as a flaw or defect because it's not increasing our problematic population growth even further. If anything, it is helping us get closer to the carrying capacity.
There's more ways to do it than just vagina
Yes, it is a disorder. Gays should also be given "Special"* treatment. *See, Euthanasia.
[QUOTE=FlowXobDans;18777310]Yes, it is a disorder. Gays should also be given "Special"* treatment. *See, Euthanasia.[/QUOTE] Shit troll.
lol Homosexuality; It is like autism, you are born with it.
[QUOTE=altofproudfoot;18775125]Well, If a mother has a large amount of boy children then the body will recognise boy genes as a virus, And thus the male becomes girly. [editline]01:10AM[/editline] And opinions aren't facts.[/QUOTE] No wonder so many catholic priests are gay pedophiles.
[QUOTE=Zamped;18766916]It is. The whole purpose of life is to reproduce. You can't reproduce with some the same gender as you. We are genetically hard-wired to be attracted to the opposite gender and if you are not, you have a genetic disorder. Not saying that it's a bad thing though.[/QUOTE] You're making a mistake with the phrase, "...and if you are not, you have a genetic disorder." That's one of only several possible reasons. There are many who are gay or bi by choice or circumstance. Or even upbringing. *shiver*
[QUOTE=TheMar;18776518]To all the people who think homosexuality is a flaw because homosexual people cannot reproduce, do you really think it is healthy for a species to reproduce as fast as fucking possible? [/QUOTE] Why can't they reproduce? That's a choice. "Homosexuality" is a sexual "Preference." It's what you find attractive. That has absolutely no baring on reproductive ability.
[QUOTE=Sporbie;18767037]It is a disorder, and op is right, why the hell would a cure for homosexuality be wrong? Nobody would be forcing you to cure yourself (I hope). Don't get me wrong, I'm not homophobic, but it is a disorder, anything that doesn't work as it's supposed to is disordered.[/QUOTE] so a sexual preference is a disorder? And with the way you said that if I broke my arm I can't use it the way it is intended to so is that a disorder?
[QUOTE=Rubs10;18776803]No, it does matter. Homosexuals are not just magically "born homosexual", there is science behind it and I will not stop debating until this is found, and if we have proof that homosexuality is a natural thing in nature, caused by nature itself, then [I]no one[/I] can argue against "Homosexuals shouldn't have rights because they're not natural, etc." without arguing against a proven fact of science. Unlike arguing the creation of the universe, which is just a theory. Sure christians can still argue, but they only thing they'll have is the bible saying "Homosexuals are not natural: because I said so" arguing against proven science. Right now it's the bible arguing "Homosexuals are not natural: because I said so" against "Homosexuals are natural: because I said so" And it's also science for the sake of science. Which I find reason enough to debate. [B]Edited:[/B] Also, a thanks to VeryNiceLady for the hour long ban. The last time I called someone a fucktard it was a week long ban.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals[/url]
[QUOTE=DrMortician;18777429]Why can't they reproduce? That's a choice. "Homosexuality" is a sexual "Preference." It's what you find attractive. That has absolutely no baring on reproductive ability.[/QUOTE] Ok Mr. technical. Obviously gay people still have the physical ability to produce a child, but because of their sexual preference, they are unable to produce a child with their partner, so they have to resort to artificial means (eg: adoption, in-vitro, surrogate mother, etc.) Some people see this as a hindrance to human reproduction and therefore think that homosexuality is a defect.
[QUOTE=TheMar;18777759]Ok Mr. technical. Obviously gay people still have the physical ability to produce a child, but because of their sexual preference, they are unable to produce a child with their partner, so they have to resort to artificial means (eg: adoption, in-vitro, surrogate mother, etc.) Some people see this as a hindrance to human reproduction and therefore think that homosexuality is a defect.[/QUOTE] and I wonder why people care
[QUOTE=TheMar;18777759]Ok Mr. technical. Obviously gay people still have the physical ability to produce a child, but because of their sexual preference, they are unable to produce a child with their partner, so they have to resort to artificial means (eg: adoption, in-vitro, surrogate mother, etc.) Some people see this as a hindrance to human reproduction and therefore think that homosexuality is a defect.[/QUOTE] Eh if they want a kid bad enough, biologically, they can still get with the opposite sex. Hate to sound corny, but sexual preference = / = love. I could swing another way under certain circumstances, though I don't find the same gender sexually attractive. I don't see why the same wouldn't apply to them. Condoms are the biggest hindrance to human reproduction, we better ban those!
I remember reading an article a number of years ago (fuck you im not looking up the source) that proved that homosexuality was something that developed in the womb, something to do with the bit in the brain that defined what sexes we like. IE, a gay male would have the same sexy-time chooser in their brain as a straight female, and vice versa.
being gay is not a choise, my brother is a homosexual and he told me that i kinda always knew that someting was wrong.
I think the real fags are the hardcore christians that think homosexuality is a disease. Which are you, OP?
[QUOTE=lemming77;18775504]Homosexuality is a flaw in nature. The idea is that males and females will shag and have kids, carrying on the species. If someone's attracted to their own gender, it's not following this natural instinct. It may not be the way to carry on a species, but it's important not to lose sight of the perfectly decent and honest human being that comes with it. Plus, it's not impossible to be happy and gay. Any same sex couples who want a kid could easily adopt. I hear China's got hideously overcrowded orphanages, what with the whole "one child per couple" rule, which is how my aunt ended up adopting two girls from china with her girlfriend, and raising them in the US. Also, I'm not sure a cure for autism is worth anyone's time. I've got asperger syndrome myself, and although I've got the usual shit like trouble developing social skills, it's made me really good at maths and programming. There are other, more extreme cases out there of people who can't talk, but have an amazing ability with drawing. And I recall some guy who managed to memorise Pi to millions of places. Ended up having to give up his job as an accountant because he found it too exciting. :P When autism's found in children, there's generally speaking some extra support they can get to ensure their social skills develop properly so they're capable of fitting into society in the future. I'd say this is about as close to a cure as we need.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ. Stop using the word natural, it doesn't mean anything, especially since you said it because you have no fucking biological education that is advanced enough to discuss such a difficult topic. Homosexuality is not a fucking disease, it's a good way of population control. Do you people fucking realize that in some decades our resources are going to be seriously scarce? We're running out of everything. In addition to that, if homosexuality is a disorder, then this whole fucking forum is filled with 90% of kids with disorders. Since our goal is to "reproduce" and "mate as many times as we can", then all the fucking nerds here are never going to get any and if they do, then they will breed ugly children (hey kids, if you are young and have no social life, don't dream of having a hot babe, it won't happen - period). They don't have the balls required to propose to a woman or engage in sex with her, so they're also "diseased" in that prospect. People throw the word disease around like it's some fucking cancer. It's not a disease, as it is not hurting the person who possesses it, in fact [B]if no social stigma existed over homosexuality, then they would be happy as they are, but instead, because of insecure fucks like some in this thread, who are afraid of people different from them, they have to hide their true feelings.[/B] [editline]07:09PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Rubs10;18776803]No, it does matter. Homosexuals are not just magically "born homosexual", there is science behind it and I will not stop debating until this is found, and if we have proof that homosexuality is a natural thing in nature, caused by nature itself, then [I]no one[/I] can argue against "Homosexuals shouldn't have rights because they're not natural, etc." without arguing against a proven fact of science. Unlike arguing the creation of the universe, which is just a theory. Sure christians can still argue, but they only thing they'll have is the bible saying "Homosexuals are not natural: because I said so" arguing against proven science. Right now it's the bible arguing "Homosexuals are not natural: because I said so" against "Homosexuals are natural: because I said so" And it's also science for the sake of science. Which I find reason enough to debate. [B]Edited:[/B] Also, a thanks to VeryNiceLady for the hour long ban. The last time I called someone a fucktard it was a week long ban.[/QUOTE] OK, let's think this through. You have 2 choices. You can either be gay, and be hated for it, be discriminated on that basis, be a part of the minority and possible lose out on some opportunity jobs and may be forced to hide your sexual preference. or you could be straight. Still wanna choose being gay? Thought so [editline]07:10PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Trotsky;18778323]and I wonder why people care[/QUOTE] People are afraid of people different from them
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