Well, it's not normal (don't argue that it is, I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it's not normal) and and esentially reduces the amount that humans will breed, so in evolutionary terms it is a disadvantage to be gay. If every human was gay then the species would not be what it is today (unless they conciously wanted to have childeren instead of just have sex) due to lack of breeding.
For this reason, I think it could be labelled a disorder, in that it is a disadvantage when it comes to procreation.
However, although it is a disorder in those terms, there isn't any (or very little at least) disadvantage to the individual in being gay in modern society so one could argue it isn't a disorder and that it could actually keep population levels controlled.
My conclusion is that although there isn't anything wrong with being homosexual and I have nothing against gay people, biologically it is a disorder.
i think all homos should be castrated so they dont spread they're gay genes
also they should be put on an island so they dont recruit our children! they recruit our children
ot: has anyone heard the new anita bryant album? its sooooo good
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;18767202]I actually think that many gay people would be glad for being cured from it. (in no-fatal way)[/QUOTE]
It would keep them away from the wrath of extremists (like me because I have a different perspective on issues), that's for sure.
I can function normally and you would think I'm a normal person if you just met me randomly in public, it's just that I have sexual attraction to the same sex. You'd never realise I'm gay.
How can that be a disorder? Homosexuals wont reproduce anyway, to pass on their genes.
They are a disorder to modern society.
In the sense that they are not accepted by a large number of people. the inner workings of their brains are a disorder to the views of those who do not accept them.
But when the world changes, and we have become more tolerant, they will no longer be a disorder.
I myself do not see it as a disorder
If everyone on Earth turned Homosexual over night, the human species would die out in one generation.
Therefore, it is a condition made possible and for the most part harmless through civilization. I have no problem with people who are gay, keep in mind; but it is technically a disorder as it prevents the survival of the species in normal situations.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;18767237]They are a disorder to modern society.
In the sense that they are not accepted by a large number of people. the inner workings of their brains are a disorder to the views of those who do not accept them.
But when the world changes, and we have become more tolerant, they will no longer be a disorder.
I myself do not see it as a disorder[/QUOTE]
That is not a disorder, that is a lack of acceptance.
Modern Society is what allows homosexuality to exist in a harmless [i](To the survival of the species)[/i] state.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;18767202]I actually think that many gay people would be glad for being cured from it. (in no-fatal way)[/QUOTE]
Clearly you've no idea what a personal identity is then. Do you think many black people would like to be turned white so they don't have to deal with racial discrimination?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;18767202]I actually think that many gay people would be glad for being cured from it. (in no-fatal way)[/QUOTE]
AHAHHAHA! Ignorant people :')
[QUOTE=Splurgy;18767212]i think all homos should be castrated so they dont spread they're gay genes
also they should be put on an island so they dont recruit our children! they recruit our children
ot: has anyone heard the new anita bryant album? its sooooo good[/QUOTE]
I think bigots should be kicked repeatedly in the stomach.
Homosexuality is by no means a disease, nor is there any viable way to cure it. Hell, you can't cure something that isn't an ailment.
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[QUOTE=Roll_Program;18767233]I can function normally[/QUOTE]
You do not function normally in sexual attraction.
Disorder.
(not that there is anything wrong with it, but it IS biologically a disorder)
[QUOTE=Splurgy;18767212]i think all homos should be castrated so they dont spread they're gay genes
also they should be put on an island so they dont recruit our children! they recruit our children
ot: has anyone heard the new anita bryant album? its sooooo good[/QUOTE]
I don't think they should be mistreated, or have their rights stripped of them, I'm a supporter of gay rights.
You are twisting my words.
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;18766829]Oh look, [I][U][B]THAT[/B][/U][/I] thread again.
Oh hey, I have chips and soda.
:munch:[/QUOTE]
Oh hey, so do I.
:munch:
It's the generic brand soda though. :emo:
In a Utopian world everyone will accept peoples differences.
Utopia is Greek for no where by the why.
[quote]The word comes from the Greek: οὐ, "not", and τόπος, "place", indicating that More was utilizing the concept as allegory and did not consider such an ideal place to be realistically possible. The homophone Eutopia, derived from the Greek εὖ, "good" or "well", and τόπος, "place", signifies a double meaning that was almost certainly intended. Despite this, most modern usage of the term "Utopia" assumes the latter meaning, that of a place of perfection rather than nonexistence.[/quote]
Not everyone will accept it, it's impossible.
In the fact that it isn't normal, because humans are meant to be attracted to the opposite sex to assure survival of the species, then yes.
Otherwise, no.
Its not your choice if your gay, just like its not your choice if you like chocolate.
We here at facepunch all know what the real source of homosexuality is:
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=400916[/url]
[img]http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7866/lolpedo2pk8.jpg[/img]
This thread:
I support gays, but I think they're bad
[QUOTE=power-mad;18767318]We here at facepunch all know what the real source of homosexuality is:
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=400916[/url]
[media]http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7866/lolpedo2pk8.jpg[/media][/QUOTE]
Lol not funny.
[QUOTE=power-mad;18767318]We here at facepunch all know what the real source of homosexuality is:
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=400916[/url]
[img]http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7866/lolpedo2pk8.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Weeding for funnies ;).
You deserve one.
You're born and you like the same sex then its not a disorder, just a trait.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;18767156]It depends how you look at it. If you believe that we as animals (mammals correctly) main purpose is to reproduce, then you could argue that it is a disorder. Then again, being gay doesn't STOP you from reproducing, you still have the ability and freedom to do so.
It is not like someone being gay actually stops them from having sex with a lady, they'd just prefer not to. So it really depends how you look at it. I can see why bible throwers think so, though I agree it is stupid.[/QUOTE]Defining the entire human race's sole purpose in existence as pure animal instinct, however, is unfounded.
That would imply that we, as the only species in the history of this planet to develop a functional, stable society and create tangible progress and history, live only to fulfill basic, primitive animal instincts; that we have not evolved from our animal ancestors.
The human race has evolved to a point where it is not necessary for every person to reproduce to guarantee the survival of the species. Sex is not simply a duty; a responsibility owed to society. Claiming that homosexuality is "unnatural" because it contradicts the primitive animal instincts of our ancestors would imply that the very notion of using sex as a means of pleasure is also "unnatural." We are the only species to use sex as something other than a means of procreation, with psychological and emotional power binded to the act of sex. Animals do not use sex as anything more than continuing the species.
By claiming that homosexuality is not "normal" because it deviates from animal instinct, you are essentially saying that viewing sex as something more than the duty to reproduce is unnatural. Not to mention all those crazy sexual fetishes. How "unnatural" are those?
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[QUOTE=FrontFuze;18767339]This thread:
I support gays, but I think they're bad[/QUOTE]
Most people are actually saying that they are not normal, but they should be accepted.
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;18767233]I'm exactly the same as everyone else, it's just that I have sexual attraction to the same sex.
I can function normally and you would think I'm a 100% normal person if you didn't know I was gay.
How can that be a disorder?[/QUOTE]
The argument he's raising is that you're not 100% normal because you don't feel an innate biological need to reproduce/this need is overrided by an attraction to the cock (or pussy if you're a girl).
Anything we say can't be counted, because there are autistic people and people with downs who are campaigning to have their conditions classified as "alternate cognitive outlooks" or something like that. Hence we can't really argue that homosexuality, a condition in which you aren't attracted to the opposite gender and therefore will struggle to breed, isn't a disorder because we'll seem the same way people with autism do.
The problem is that this is merely an issue of semantics. If you want to term homosexuality a disorder you might as well to term religion a psychosis. Ultimately, does it really matter if homosexuality is technically a disorder or not? It's certainly one that you can't or at least shouldn't treat (you'll do more harm than good) and as it doesn't significantly impact people outside of some issues to do with having grandkids it's not like it really matters.
For the record, I personally don't think you can really classify homosexuality a disorder; human sexuality is so complicated anyway (ever seen a rabbit with a fetish?) that to start arbitrarily labelling certain aspects of sexuality as deviant or wrong is stupid. Not to say that there aren't sex disorders, but I don't think this is one of them.
[QUOTE=markg06;18766795]Yes of course it is so is being muslim and black :downs:[/QUOTE]
Those are natural though, being homosexual is against the entire natural course of the human race. Nothing wrong with it, it's just not the way we're supposed to act on a purely primal basis.
no. you are just homophobic.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;18767382]You're born and you like the same sex then its not a disorder, just a trait.[/QUOTE]
No, it's a disorder in your sexual attraction.
Again, not that it's a bad thing, but it is a biological disorder.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;18767241]If everyone on Earth turned Homosexual over night, the human species would die out in one generation.
Therefore, it is a condition made possible and for the most part harmless through civilization. I have no problem with people who are gay, keep in mind; but it is technically a disorder as it prevents the survival of the species in normal situations.
That is not a disorder, that is a lack of acceptance.
Modern Society is what allows homosexuality to exist in a harmless [i](To the survival of the species)[/i] state.[/QUOTE]
What i meant was that they are a disorder in the eyes of those who oppose them
[QUOTE=LF9000;18767268]I don't think they should be mistreated, or have their rights stripped of them, I'm a supporter of gay rights.
You are twisting my words.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't accusing you of this, I was just indicating the way this thread's inevitably going to go. I think it's rolling down that path already.
[QUOTE=Hemroid_Man;18767430]no. you are just homophobic.[/QUOTE]
No, you are more morally deprived than anyone saying that it is a disorder biologically.
You won't even approach it logically despite people saying it is perfectly acceptable, you are blocking out all arguments towards the fact that it is a perfectly acceptable biological disorder in the sexual attraction of that person.
The result is you looking like a moron, stop trying to stand on the moral high ground and approach it intellegently.
I find the whole is it a choice or not argument preposterous.
On the principle that it would seem to imply that whether one wishes to have a romantic relationship with a man, or a woman is not a choice one is entitled to make.
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