• Is homosexuality a disorder?
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You are not born gay.
[QUOTE=Novistador;18767599]I find the whole is it a choice or not argument preposterous. On the principle that it would seem to imply that whether one wishes to have a romantic relationship with a man, or a woman is not a choice one is entitled to make.[/QUOTE] That's not what I was arguing. It is not a choice, you are born with it. But is the fact you are born with it mean that it is a disorder? (Such as autism, or being born blind)
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;18767233]I can function normally and you would think I'm a normal person if you just met me randomly in public, it's just that I have sexual attraction to the same sex. You'd never realise I'm gay. How can that be a disorder?[/QUOTE] I would posit that it is essentially sexual recklessness. Your account wouldn't deny that, keeping in mind that reproducing is natural.
[QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;18767642]You are not born gay.[/QUOTE] Annorexia is a disorder. You are not born with it. Your logic sucks.
[QUOTE=SnakeFace;18767426]Those are natural though, being homosexual is against the entire natural course of the human race. Nothing wrong with it, it's just not the way we're supposed to act on a purely primal basis.[/QUOTE] Just stop posting it was clearly sarcasm.
[QUOTE=LF9000;18766766]It is like autism, you are born with it.[/quote] No, you aren't. [quote]People generally accept either for what they are, but autism is a disorder. Is homosexuality a disorder?[/quote] No, it isn't. [quote]Should we also seek a "cure" for homosexuality?[/quote] No, we shouldn't. Because there isn't a cure. [quote]I mean it sounds good in theory,[/quote] No, it doesn't.
Oh dear here come the Eugenics people again! Didn't we disprove this ages ago?
There are quite a few people who would argue that autism is not a disorder.
[QUOTE=SnakeFace;18767426]Those are natural though, being homosexual is against the entire natural course of the human race. Nothing wrong with it, it's just not the way we're supposed to act on a purely primal basis.[/QUOTE] Define: Natural
I always thought it was a recessive gene for some reason. You get two, one from each parent, and you're gay. You get one from a parent, you'd be strait, although that doesn't make sense when you factor in bisexuals. Or strait/gay genes aren't dominant over each other, like strait and wavy hair.
[QUOTE=thisguy123;18767725]Oh dear here come the Eugenics people again! Didn't we disprove this ages ago?[/QUOTE] When did I say they should all be burnt at the stake?
In other words, I think you have to mess with genes to "fix" it.
[QUOTE=Sams Brume;18767724]No, you aren't.[/QUOTE] The age that autism becomes present is currently unknown, it's just as fair to say you are born with it.
[QUOTE=Jallen;18767676]Annorexia is a disorder. You are not born with it. Your logic sucks.[/QUOTE] Anorexia is a disorder because it is physically harmful.
there's nothing to cure. you imply that they're sick. Which they aren't
[QUOTE=Sams Brume;18767724]No, it isn't.[/QUOTE] It's a disorder of the sexual attractment of the person. Again, not that there is anything wrong with it and we shouldn't be looking for a 'cure' of course (well, some people might want it, if they want it let them have it - I have nothing against plastic surgery and thus if people want to find a 'cure' for homosexuality then is there anything wrong with that?), but it is a disorder. [editline]06:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;18767770]Anorexia is a disorder because it is physically harmful.[/QUOTE] It's a disorder because it doesn't follow usual order of function, not because it's harmful.
[QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;18767642]You are not born gay.[/QUOTE] Terrible troll.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;18767440]What i meant was that they are a disorder in the eyes of those who oppose them[/QUOTE] You're right in saying it's a disorder. Modern society guarantees nothing. It relies on a willing population to reproduce. From what I've read, secularization, among other things, is actually leading to sub-replacement fertility. In essence, people aren't making enough babies. [media]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Fertility_rate_world_map.PNG[/media] Sub-replacement fertility happens, for most countries, at below 2.3. Look at Europe and then look at Africa/Middle East. See why the BNP is concerned about Europe?
[QUOTE=snuwoods;18767674]I would posit that it is essentially sexual recklessness. Your account wouldn't deny that, keeping in mind that reproducing is natural.[/QUOTE] Sexual recklessness? Fuck off.
being a fag gives you aids
It's a mix of nature and nurture from what I hear.
[QUOTE=TK Rainy;18767742]I always thought it was a recessive gene for some reason. You get two, one from each parent, and you're gay. You get one from a parent, you'd be strait, although that doesn't make sense when you factor in bisexuals. Or strait/gay genes aren't dominant over each other, like strait and wavy hair.[/QUOTE] Possibly, although behavioural traits are usually polygenetic in origin. There's reason to think that gayness = increased daughter fertility but it's all in the research phases at the moment
[QUOTE=rukiddingme;18766997]You can't avoid the fact that it isn't what humans are supposed to do though. If we all turn gay we'll die out.[/QUOTE] Don't worry I won't turn gay. I've got enough little TiP's to repopulate the planet if I have to.
[QUOTE=Zamped;18766916]It is. The whole purpose of life is to reproduce. You can't reproduce with some the same gender as you. We are genetically hard-wired to be attracted to the opposite gender and if you are not, you have a genetic disorder. Not saying that it's a bad thing though.[/QUOTE] It could be an evolutionary response to the planet getting crowded as fuck
[QUOTE=LF9000;18766766]It is like autism, you are born with it.[/QUOTE] Sorry, but no.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;18767762]The age that autism becomes present is currently unknown, it's just as fair to say you are born with it.[/QUOTE] I mean, you aren't born homosexual.
[QUOTE=Zamped;18766916]It is. The whole purpose of life is to reproduce. You can't reproduce with some the same gender as you. We are genetically hard-wired to be attracted to the opposite gender and if you are not, you have a genetic disorder. Not saying that it's a bad thing though.[/QUOTE] This, it's a disorder, it doesn't really change, you can stop liking BEING gay - but at the end of the day you're still gay. I'm gay. I didn't ask to be gay - I commonly wish I'm Bi or straight, I just can't force it on myself - at least I'm failing to do so.
[QUOTE=Wallettheifv3;18767919]It could be an evolutionary response to the planet getting crowded as fuck[/QUOTE] What are you on? It isn't [i]that[/i] crowded, in fact - look at my previous post. And regardless, you don't know what the hell evolution is. Evolution would in fact dictate the complete opposite, where the most reproductive would survive. Although you could argue that the ones that don't have any offspring to support would in fact be the ones that have an edge, economically, in our society. In that case, I'd say that you're a self-centered, heartless moron.
[QUOTE=Sams Brume;18767969]I mean, you aren't born homosexual.[/QUOTE] Then how does it occur?
[QUOTE=Sams Brume;18767969]I mean, you aren't born homosexual.[/QUOTE] Impossible to know, nobody has yet to raise 100 babies in a laboratory and note every single change in their life. For me it seems like I've been gay my entire life, I was a confused homophobe in my first 7 years of school, bullied this kid just because he had style and fashion(We were actually good friends when we weren't at school). Whenether he turned bi or was all the time, is unknown. All I know is that I really regret bullying him and I wish I'd rather kiss him than bully him.
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