• Is homosexuality a disorder?
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I just don't understand how homosexuality wasn't filtered out by evolution lol, I would think it would be the FIRST thing that would go in an evolving generation.
Its just a taste thing.. there are people that like clams.. and there are people who like saucage. I mean jeez.... a vagina is disgusting.. sick straight people...
[QUOTE=rathat48;18768072]I just don't understand how homosexuality wasn't filtered out by evolution lol, I would think it would be the FIRST thing that would go in an evolving generation.[/QUOTE]Because we're not animals, and have evolved to the point where we don't need to fuck every woman we see to ensure the survival of the human race.
[QUOTE=Kukuzi;18768063]Then how does it occur?[/QUOTE] Whenether or not you are born with it is ofcourse impossible to know at the time being, but I know this for sure: The people around you will define who you are, good friends can practically raise you (at least if you're austistic, like me)- their views, ways of life and gender can change how you'll turn out. Considering how I only socialize with girls it goes without saying it's had it's effection on me.
[QUOTE=ole johan;18768159]Whenether or not you are born with it is ofcourse impossible to know at the time being, but I know this for sure: The people around you will define who you are, good friends can practically raise you (at least if you're austistic, like me)- their views, ways of life and gender can change how you'll turn out. Considering how I only socialize with girls it goes without saying it's had it's effection on me.[/QUOTE] There is no quantifiable way to prove or disprove that and you know it. There is no cure, nor will there ever be, homosexuality is not a disorder, illness, etc. Emotions are not necessarily symbiotic with sexual preferences.
[QUOTE=rathat48;18768072]I just don't understand how homosexuality wasn't filtered out by evolution lol, I would think it would be the FIRST thing that would go in an evolving generation.[/QUOTE] It doesn't, because human have advanced levels of communication and societies - You can throw all kinds of shit into the gene pool and it'll end up alike if everyone had the same ideas and meaning of life. A gay and a lesbian having a child wouldn't lead to a Homosexual child because of genes - as far as we know. (but it's more likely the kid becomes homosexual because of how his parents are, that's unknown.)
[QUOTE=Zamped;18766916]It is. The whole purpose of life is to reproduce. You can't reproduce with some the same gender as you. We are genetically hard-wired to be attracted to the opposite gender and if you are not, you have a genetic disorder. Not saying that it's a bad thing though.[/QUOTE] You could argue that it's a natural way of controlling the population.
[QUOTE=markg06;18766795]Yes of course it is so is being muslim and black :downs:[/QUOTE] And we should also seek a "cure" for this too. WHAT THE FUCK. Seriously? You want to cure homosexuality?! That's like me saying, "Hey! Let's cure kindness!" or some shit like that. No, it's not a disorder and it's a choice, lt them do what they want.
[QUOTE=ole johan;18768215](but it's more likely the kid becomes homosexual because of how his parents are, that's unknown.)[/QUOTE] The only thing having homosexual parents would do for a child is that they would be more likely to be tolerant of gays and lesbians. That's it.
[QUOTE=Nick Nack;18768248]And we should also seek a "cure" for this too. WHAT THE FUCK. Seriously? You want to cure homosexuality?! That's like me saying, "Hey! Let's cure kindness!" or some shit like that. No, it's not a disorder and it's a choice, lt them do what they want.[/QUOTE] I didn't say kindness, being black, or Muslim was a disorder. What are disorders (not up for debate) are: Being born blind, deaf, without kidneys, autism, mental retardation, etc.
[QUOTE=rukiddingme;18766997]You can't avoid the fact that it isn't what humans are supposed to do though. If we all turn gay we'll die out.[/QUOTE] No, because then (having settled down with someone of your gender) you might pop a couple of viagra and have sex with someone of the other gender for just the purposes of procreation.
[QUOTE=Doug52392;18768089]Because we're not animals, and have evolved to the point where we don't need to fuck every woman we see to ensure the survival of the human race.[/QUOTE] I disagree, we evolve just like animals, and we are evolving today at a fast rate actually. Though not at the top, even our sexuality is a high priority basic instinct which we began to evolve even before we were humans. I just think that over thousands of generations of only straight people reproducing that for the sake of surviving another generation, the trait would evolve out FAST. Even my gay friends think its strange that they are gay and that its even possible. idk I don't understand how our genes effect our personality.
[QUOTE=Kukuzi;18768063]Then how does it occur?[/QUOTE] It's a preference. Was I born with a preference towards cheese sandwiches over ham?
[QUOTE=Dank Dave;18768261]The only thing having homosexual parents would do for a child is that they would be more likely to be tolerant of gays and lesbians. That's it.[/QUOTE] Well I repeat, unknown, but you're probably right. By the way [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/99847/IMVU.png[/img] Special commercials for homosexual people now? :v: (as in lesbians durr)
straight people are the desease, we need to kill them all! am i right guys? Girls can stay.
[QUOTE=rathat48;18768072]I just don't understand how homosexuality wasn't filtered out by evolution lol, I would think it would be the FIRST thing that would go in an evolving generation.[/QUOTE] Well, because something that causes a behavioural quirk like this is probably caused by a combination of genes and environment factors, in much the same way there isn't one gene for "tallness" and the genes for tallness do not necessarily ensure you'll be tall. But as for why these genes persist, it's possible that they have some sort of benefit. Take, for example, sickle cell anaemia. Having sickle cell anaemia isn't a good thing because you tend to die, and you get sickle cell anaemia by having two genes for it (one from your mum, and one from your dad). If you've only got one gene for sickle cell anaemia and you inherit a different version of the gene from your other parent, you get sickle cell trait. It's a little bit like having sickle cell anaemia but nowhere near as bad. Either way, it's a terrible idea to have sickle cell anaemia, right? Well no, because having sickle cell trait or sickle cell anaemia protects you from malaria. It's a trade off - by having one copy of the gene, your blood's a bit dodgy but you're less likely to get malaria. Hence it's better to one of each (sickle cell and no sickle cell) than both. Now, suppose homosexuality is caused by a group of genes. It's possible that some of these genes could have beneficial reproductive side effects. If you have one "gay" gene and one "straight" gene, you might be more resistant to a certain disease, for example. What seems to be emerging is that the daughters of gay men are generally more fertile. So women with one particular males-are-gay gene are more likely to have more children than a woman without it. There's a chance that she'll have a gay son and that son won't breed, but she'll be having more children so it balances out in her favour. This is an example. It hasn't been proven, and there isn't just one gay gene. But you get the point, yes?
[QUOTE=scorpinat;18768411]straight people are the desease, we need to kill them all! am i right guys? Girls can stay.[/QUOTE] Yeah fuck them :v:
Logically, it is a mental disorder. Here is said logic: Human psyche is normally supposed to be attraction to the opposite sex. Our sexual attractions and such are controlled in the brain. Homosexuality goes against human psyche, which makes it a disorder. Seeing as it is a disorder of the mind, it is in fact a mental disorder.
[QUOTE=Splurgy;18768435]Huge wall of text [/QUOTE] If only it protected us from every STD possible - If only. Paragraphs - Please use them more, I don't mean to be some wise-nosed turd coming here commenting good posts telling people to use paragraphs :sax: [editline]08:09PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Derubermensch;18768466]Logically, it is a mental disorder. Here is said logic: Human psyche is normally supposed to be attraction to the opposite sex. Our sexual attractions and such are controlled in the brain. Homosexuality goes against human psyche, which makes it a disorder. Seeing as it is a disorder of the mind, it is in fact a mental disorder.[/QUOTE] Well, yeah, that makes it a disorder - people just tend to think every disorder means you're some kind of freak/turd/tard.
[QUOTE=snuwoods;18768030]What are you on? It isn't [i]that[/i] crowded, in fact - look at my previous post. And regardless, you don't know what the hell evolution is. Evolution would in fact dictate the complete opposite, where the most reproductive would survive. Although you could argue that the ones that don't have any offspring to support would in fact be the ones that have an edge, economically, in our society. In that case, I'd say that you're a self-centered, heartless moron.[/QUOTE] The world is overpopulated, and having kids is a waste of money nowadays at least 5 billion people should be killed off
It is a disorder and if you are living as one you could be harmful to those around you. You should probably seek professional help.
[QUOTE=rathat48;18768309]I disagree, we evolve just like animals, and we are evolving today at a fast rate actually. Though not at the top, even our sexuality is a high priority basic instinct which we began to evolve even before we were humans. I just think that over thousands of generations of only straight people reproducing that for the sake of surviving another generation, the trait would evolve out FAST. Even my gay friends think its strange that they are gay and that its even possible. idk I don't understand how our genes effect our personality.[/QUOTE] We're not really evolving that fast as compared to other animals because we've got less selection pressure. At the moment, you as a westerner do not have to outrun specific predators, deal with a wide range of fatal infections, struggle to obtain food or deal with fights from rival populations. Sure, there are issues like people mugging you and whatnot, but human society is so incredibly civilised compared to what wild animals have to deal with. With the addition of stuff like IVF and cancer treatments, it doesn't matter if you've got oncogenes that give you leukaemia age 6, because the leukaemia can be treated and you can go on to live a normal life, reproduce and spread those oncogenes. In other populations this gene would quite quickly shrink down but there's no selection pressure not to have it so its incidence will increase thanks to genetic drift. Similarly, if we take "homosexual genes" to code specifically and only for homosexuality, then the reason they haven't died out is because a)genes generally don't die out for good, a couple of those alleles remain kicking around for a good while and b)now that gay people can have kids through IVF/pretended to be straight and had kids with people of the opposite gender there's no selection pressure against being gay.
[QUOTE=Wallettheifv3;18768528]The world is overpopulated, and having kids is a waste of money nowadays at least 5 billion people should be killed off[/QUOTE] Or at least not reproduced. These are horrible ideas, along with my theory that we actually NEED poor people, everyone can't be happy, but it's common sense.
Yes, ESPECIALLY BEING TRANS.
[QUOTE=ole johan;18768483]If only it protected us from every STD possible - If only. Paragraphs - Please use them more, I don't mean to be some wise-nosed turd coming here commenting good posts telling people to use paragraphs :sax: [/QUOTE] Oh, I did, it's just that when I pressed enter I was near the end of the line each time. Heheh, if only it automatically indented.
[QUOTE=gerard;18768550]It is a disorder and if you are living as one you could be harmful to those around you. You should probably seek professional help.[/QUOTE] [b]What?[/b] Please, do explain how I am harming people around me, and how I need professional help to stop harming those I love.
It used to be classified as a mental condition as severe as necrophilia, but was changed because of political correctness.
Technically it is a disorder because it is out from the norm, but mental disorder implies something bad, so I wouldn't call it one. [QUOTE=pl0xinat0r;18768629]It used to be classified as a mental condition as severe as necrophilia, but was changed because of political correctness.[/QUOTE] But it isn't as severe as necrophilia :frown:
[QUOTE=Lady Gaga;18768595]Yes, ESPECIALLY BEING TRANS.[/QUOTE] Oh, hey there, seems like you've gotten into the wrong place. We call this a [i]discussion forum[/i], but it's mostly interresting for "grownups", and we try to keep it as civilized as possible. You could always come back in a few years.
[QUOTE=Billiam;18768657]Technically it is a disorder because it is out from the norm, but mental disorder usually implies something bad, so I wouldn't call it one.[/QUOTE] so.. u r saying that being gay isnt bad? GAYBOW TIEM.
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