Help legalize Organ donation for inmates on death row. - General

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;32644183]It's better then nothing but it's like taking a life to save a life.[/QUOTE] right now it is take a life to take a life, I am just looking to improve a flawed system

Signed this petition.

The only problem i have with this is that in time people might be pressured to donate against their will for whatever reasons. But then again, they are inmates, and they die anyway..

[QUOTE=sami-elite;32644279]The only problem i have with this is that in time people might be pressured to donate against their will for whatever reasons. But then again, they are inmates, and they die anyway..[/QUOTE] I think it would be VERY important that no inmate is forced to donate against their will. I know many religions and other belief systems do not allow organ donation. Their rights would have to be protected

I would have thought they would have already done this, personally.

[QUOTE=Raptor_Girl;32643673]The main issue with removing the death penalty is over crowding. Even with the death penalty, the prisons are running out of room. Sure, some room could be made if weed is decriminalized, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.[/QUOTE] Really? Even Texas only executes around 20 people a year. Overcrowding isn't going to change much.

[QUOTE=jeimizu;32646178]Really? Even Texas only executes around 20 people a year. Overcrowding isn't going to change much.[/QUOTE] That's 20 more open cells.

[QUOTE=usaokay;32644106]Wasn't there a Simpsons episode where Homer Simpson gets a deceased criminal's hair and he starts to go on a revenge rampage?[/QUOTE]Hahahaha, I was thinking just this. The Simpsons have done everything haven't they.

Screw the "humane" part, this would be perfectly mandatory on the inmate if said organs were in good enough condition. As prisoners, their rights are pretty much revoked. Why give them the choice?

[QUOTE=Stonecycle;32646281]Screw the "humane" part, this would be perfectly mandatory on the inmate if said organs were in good enough condition. As prisoners, their rights are pretty much revoked. Why give them the choice?[/QUOTE] We still need to avoid denying certain human rights, I dont want to part of a country that is seen as evil.

Signed. I mean, in all honesty, why let perfectly good organs go to waste when so many people need transplants?

[QUOTE=-GTFMiika-;32646328]Signed. I mean, in all honesty, why let perfectly good organs go to waste when so many people need transplants?[/QUOTE] Thanks, you have been added to the op [editline]5th October 2011[/editline] Only 24,991 more signatures to go

[QUOTE=Raptor_Girl;32646194]That's 20 more open cells.[/QUOTE] Also death row inmates have their own special building. It may relieve crowding in there, where it's not really needed, but general population is still going to be just as packed.

I don't see why not. I mean, if I die, I want my body to be used for whatever benifits mankind, whether it is giving organs to people, having collage students study my insides, or whatever else. But the thing is, I really think that it is up to the guardians/care-takers of the inmate. If they decide against it, let them stage a burial for whatever religion or belief they have. If no one is there to take ownership of the remains, I don't see a problem in giving organs away. Also, signed.

[QUOTE=Chezhead;32648248]I don't see why not. I mean, if I die, I want my body to be used for whatever benifits mankind, whether it is giving organs to people, having collage students study my insides, or whatever else. But the thing is, I really think that it is up to the guardians/care-takers of the inmate. If they decide against it, let them stage a burial for whatever religion or belief they have. If no one is there to take ownership of the remains, I don't see a problem in giving organs away. Also, signed.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the signature, I do believe that it would have to be done in a way that would not go against the wishes of the inmate. Religious views should be respected

[QUOTE=imptastick;32643541]This is a completely separate method, in which they are put to sleep with anesthesia, then the organs are removed and they never wake up. [/QUOTE] I don't like the sound of that. Not like, them doing it to criminals, just me personally. I don't like the sound of going to sleep knowing that someone's gonna take all me precious fleshy things and I'm gonna die. Also I really don't think there should be [i]any[/i] execution. The whole point of death row is to punish the most heinous of crimes, but how the fuck is granting someone an escape from punishment a punishment. Make them rot in prison, or better yet, rehabilitate the fuckers. Don't kill them. Because then you're letting them go free. [editline]6th October 2011[/editline] [highlight]Anyway[/highlight] I don't think this would work. For ethical/legal/Hippocratic oath reasons, Doctors are NOT allowed to knowingly kill patients. That's why doctors don't do any part of lethal injection executions except confirming the death. It's also why doctors don't take live volunteers who want to donate their organs to help someone else if it'd kill the donor. They [i]cannot[/i] kill someone, but at the same time, to remove the organs, you'd HAVE to have a real doctor.

[QUOTE=imptastick;32643755][IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/1z1r32d.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Hey guys I'm going to go make a thread about the best way to harvest organs from homosexuals after stoning them to death you all better not talk about how it's wrong to stone homosexuals to death ok it won't be a debate thread about killing homosexuals

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32648957]Hey guys I'm going to go make a thread about the best way to harvest organs from homosexuals after stoning them to death you all better not talk about how it's wrong to stone homosexuals to death ok it won't be a debate thread about killing homosexuals[/QUOTE] But stoning them could damage their internal organs. You should obviously harvest the organs first, then stone what's left for good measure.

Why would you want to harvest organs from homosexuals obviously the organs are homosexual and if you put them in a straight god fearing man he'll instantly become a satan worshipping homosexual.

[QUOTE=imptastick;32646306]We still need to avoid denying certain human rights, I dont want to part of a country that is seen as evil.[/QUOTE] Death Row inmates might already be able to do this if we weren't afraid of looking like China, where more than half of all transplanted organs were harvested from death row inmates. [url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6810287.ece[/url] I don't see the problem if it's clear the decision came from the inmate, and wasn't influenced by the prison system.

I'd assume that they would have to go through medical screenings first to verify the integrity( or healthiness) of their organs, right?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32648957]Hey guys I'm going to go make a thread about the best way to harvest organs from homosexuals after stoning them to death you all better not talk about how it's wrong to stone homosexuals to death ok it won't be a debate thread about killing homosexuals[/QUOTE] More like "Hey guys I invented a car that will reduce carbon emissions!" then people saying "Fuck you its still a car and cars are bad for the environment!" I am not a big supporter of the death penalty, at least not our current system. But I know it is going away anytime soon; so rather than just say death penalty is wrong I am trying to move in a better direction. This is NOT a debate discussing if the death penalty is a good thing, this is about how we might make it a little bit better. In the words of my pacifist, anti-death penalty, brother [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/o10q9x.png[/IMG]

Putting them under anesthesia and then taking their organs one by one until they die? That seems like a horror movie, organ harvesters or something like that.

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;32648868] [highlight]Anyway[/highlight] I don't think this would work. For ethical/legal/Hippocratic oath reasons, Doctors are NOT allowed to knowingly kill patients. That's why doctors don't do any part of lethal injection executions except confirming the death. It's also why doctors don't take live volunteers who want to donate their organs to help someone else if it'd kill the donor. They [i]cannot[/i] kill someone, but at the same time, to remove the organs, you'd HAVE to have a real doctor.[/QUOTE] This is a valid point, the procedure would have to either be done by a specially licensed doctor, or by a trained execution team. The team would be trained to put the inmate under anesthesia and end the life of the inmate without damaging the organs. Then a normal surgical team could take over. [editline]6th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Fetret;32651344]Putting them under anesthesia and then taking their organs one by one until they die? That seems like a horror movie, organ harvesters or something like that.[/QUOTE] It is like when someone dies on the operating table, they go in their sleep and feel no pain

I am willing to go offtopic to say: Abolish death penalty you dumbards.

[QUOTE=imptastick;32643541] This is not to debate the death penalty, this is about a better method.[/QUOTE] The point he made was completely relevant. If death row prisoners constituted a significant portion of organ donators, there would be much more of an incentive for a state to sentence someone to death, and there would be far less of an incentive to abolish the death penalty. I know you keep saying that this isn't a death penalty debate thread but making this happen would have huge implications for people who are against the death penalty. [editline]6th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=imptastick;32651179]More like "Hey guys I invented a car that will reduce carbon emissions!" then people saying "Fuck you its still a car and cars are bad for the environment!" I am not a big supporter of the death penalty, at least not our current system. But I know it is going away anytime soon; so rather than just say death penalty is wrong I am trying to move in a better direction.[/quote] If enough people support its abolition, then it could definitely become a reality. The US is the only western state that practices the death penalty, and even then, it's not routine throughout the country. It's entirely possible that the US could abolish it, like all other western democracies. But anyhow, my point was that if you're against the death penalty, why are you arguing for something that would only increase its use and make it less likely for people to abolish it? I am all in favour of organ donation, and believe that everyone who can donate should, but I am not in favour of this for that reason.

[QUOTE=devotchkade;32651895]The point he made was completely relevant. If death row prisoners constituted a significant portion of organ donators, there would be much more of an incentive for a state to sentence someone to death, and there would be far less of an incentive to abolish the death penalty. I know you keep saying that this isn't a death penalty debate thread but making this happen would have huge implications for people who are against the death penalty. [editline]6th October 2011[/editline] If enough people support its abolition, then it could definitely become a reality. The US is the only western state that practices the death penalty, and even then, it's not routine throughout the country. It's entirely possible that the US could abolish it, like all other western democracies. But anyhow, my point was that if you're against the death penalty, why are you arguing for something that would only increase its use and make it less likely for people to abolish it? I am all in favour of organ donation, and believe that everyone who can donate should, but I am not in favour of this for that reason.[/QUOTE] First I already stated that when people use logical arguments like this to display their opinions it is fine, just back up your arguments with statistical/factual evidence. I can not debate opinion or tell you your opinion is wrong, but maybe if you understood why I am doing this you would understand. The main reason I am doing this is because I know people who have been saved by organ donation, and I know many die waiting on a transplant. To tell the truth I would kill a hundred rapists and murders if it could have saved these innocent people. The death penalty is going nowhere anytime soon, but we can improve the system.

It could go somewhere if the american people actively went against it.

[QUOTE=Falchion;32652630]It could go somewhere if the american people actively went against it.[/QUOTE] Many do, put for every person against it their is another for it. it is not as simple as vote and do it, it is a state's rights issue and every state would have to vote on it and completely overhaul their judicial system to do it. Even if we all voted to stop it today it would take 4-6 years before it is out of the courts and ready to be implimented

Democracy has been fucked up to it's modern form where it is dictated by voters and citizens not just giving a shit. How do I know this is not the case here?