Help legalize Organ donation for inmates on death row. - General

Do you have any idea how bad ass you would sound when you say you have a kidney of serial murderer?

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;32667469]Do you have any idea how bad ass you would sound when you say you have a kidney of serial murderer?[/QUOTE] If it saved my life I would not care

[QUOTE=imptastick;32654571]That is without consent and the organs are sold, which is illegal in the USA, and as our country is now most people spend almost as much time on death row as a normal inmate spends in regular prison. most people spend 10-30 years on death row before execution. So doing it just for organs would not make sense. [/QUOTE] Selling organs has been illegal in China since 2007. That's why the supply has dropped so low, and they've had to rely more on organs from Death Row inmates.

[QUOTE=jeimizu;32671654]Selling organs has been illegal in China since 2007. That's why the supply has dropped so low, and they've had to rely more on organs from Death Row inmates.[/QUOTE] I don't really know china's system, but I think people as a whole should start raising organ donor awareness, I was talking to a group of people in my FYS class less than half where organ donors because "they had not got around to it". I don't understand whats so hard about telling the people at the DMV I have been looking at becoming a living donor, but my doctor does not want me to becuase I have some chronic medical conditions

[QUOTE=imptastick;32667330]I feel that our justice system is set up in a way where most institutions respect the basic human rights of inmates, While there is most definitely some corruption in our justice system, all death row inmates get to speak to their family and a spiritual counselor of their choosing; all the inmate would have to do is tell them. I feel that it would be difficult to force organ donation onto an inmate with our current system of checks and balances. Also we could look at an option for single kidney organ donation for prisoners with life in prison, that would save hundreds of thousands without taking lives. [/QUOTE] The simple fact is prisoners cannot give informed consent for a procedure like this because they are to vulnerable to coercion. This idea goes back to the Nuremberg code. [quote=The Transplantation Society]The Transplantation Society is opposed to the recovery of organs from executed prisoners. It is a fundamental principle for The Transplantation Society that organs and tissues are given freely and without coercion. Because of the restrictions in liberty in a prison environment, it is unlikely that prisoners are truly free to make independent decisions and thus an autonomous informed consent for donation cannot be obtained. Further, the financial incentive for recovering organs from executed prisoners may become an incentive to increase the number of such organs available for transplantation.[/quote] [url=http://www.tts.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11:policy-a-ethics&catid=4:policy-a-ethics&Itemid=223]Source.[/url] [quote= American Society of Transplantation]The use of donor organs from executed prisoners is a deplorable practice. As a society and as a field, we should do whatever we can to prevent such atrocities.[/quote] [url=http://www.a-s-t.org/content/jeffrey-crippin-md-2007-presidential-address]Source.[/url] [QUOTE=imptastick;32667330]From those 48 people 368 lives could be directly saved, 96 people could be given sight from cornea transplants, and many others could be helped by other tissues and research. To me that seem like it might be worth a trial run in at least one federal prison.[/quote] From the source you put in the petition. [quote=organdonor.gov]Last year alone, organ donors made more than 28,000 transplants possible. Another one million people received cornea and other tissue transplants.[/quote] 368 is 1.3% of organ transplants in 2010, even being a huge over estimate that's nothing in the scheme of things. You would be going against 50+ years of ethics to add what would be even at it's absolute best a tiny amount of organs to the donation pool.

This is good because it would allow the criminals to leave the earth with the feeling that they helped somebody. It won't work though because it would put guilt on doctors because they will know that they will be killing somebody. That's why in firing squads they have 5 people and only 1 with bullets. I don't know how that's possible for doctors.

[QUOTE=devotchkade;32655312]100%, eh? That sounds super scientific![/QUOTE] well I dunno about America, but in Ireland, 90% of inmates are regular drug users, so I can only assume it's worse in America.

[QUOTE=flyschy;32672216]The simple fact is prisoners cannot give informed consent for a procedure like this because they are to vulnerable to coercion. This idea goes back to the Nuremberg code. [url=http://www.tts.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11:policy-a-ethics&catid=4:policy-a-ethics&Itemid=223]Source.[/url] [url=http://www.a-s-t.org/content/jeffrey-crippin-md-2007-presidential-address]Source.[/url] From the source you put in the petition. 368 is 1.3% of organ transplants in 2010, even being a huge over estimate that's nothing in the scheme of things. You would be going against 50+ years of ethics to add what would be even at it's absolute best a tiny amount of organs to the donation pool.[/QUOTE] These are some great points, and I thank you for posting sources and providing factual support for your opinion. I still think that we should at least give this a trial run, I feel that with proper checks and balances in place we could make it so the inmate is free from coercion and can make an informed decision. I also believe that we should make it so regular inmates have a process where they can donate organs which could save lives without killing the inmate, such as kidney and partial liver donations. I have said from the beginning that I think this process should only be used if we can ensure that the inmates rights are protected. Maybe we should make it so this process is completed while the inmates lawyer is present to make sure they are not being forced into a decision.