Dad Makes His Son Destroy One Of His Xbox Consoles For Failing In School! - General

Is seriously recording it and posting it to the internet necessary tho? That kid is going to get bullied non-stop for the rest of the year. Absolutely shitty thing to do.

Exams are ineffective ways of judging a child's learning and intelligence. I'd sooner see the dad smash up his phone for filming in fucking portrait.

Destroying his console, fine. Bit much maybe, but I get it. Making him destroy it himself, nah. That's definitely too far.

I like how he keeps just saying "let's go".

[QUOTE=Dan2593;47742627]Exams are ineffective ways of judging a child's learning and intelligence. I'd sooner see the dad smash up his phone for filming in fucking portrait.[/QUOTE] I agree fully, but I believe its wrong to think that you can just let your kids do poorly at school in lower years, though. If you get shit grades in lower years, your motivation to try hard evaporates. You end up in worse sets and a worse position for your final 2 years, where the learning that sets you up for your finals happens, and this causes you to both lose out on opportunities to take advanced classes and on extra learning with the most difficult parts of the curriculum due to a slower rate of progression in a lower set. I see some people are advocating just doing a sit and talk - well, talking to kids just doesn't always work. I don't advocate violence, ever, and I don't think the case here with destroying his possessions is the most sound way to go about it.

[QUOTE=KingKombat;47741210]"my dad made me destroy my xbox when i was 11 because i got a d in science"[/QUOTE] My dad made me handwrite pages from a dictionary from the time I got home from school to bedtime for a week straight. I resent him for my extreme knowledge of the English language.

As a parent aren't you supposed to help with schooling and not do, well, this? I do believe it is the child's fault but the parent could have easily fixed this, I sort of feel like it's also the parent's fault for not doing anything earlier. Force him to use the xbox only for maybe an hour or two a day and the rest of the time for homework. Then again I'm not [I]his[/I] parent so I don't know what justified this other than his failure.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47741088]Where did he say he was a loser? I didn't hear anything about the father saying his kid's hobby was shit. [b]EDIT:[/b] Nope, you're putting words in his mouth. How do you know he's saying that the kid's hobby is shit? How do you know he's not having him literally and symbolically destroy a problem that is distracting him from things like his grades and other responsibilities?[/QUOTE] Confirmed to be a bad parent later in life.(probably has daddy issues too)

The only thing I wonder in cases like this is, mainly, what the "if you don't" condition is.

You can talk to your kid and teach him a lesson at the same time. [editline]17th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=DrugUnit;47743724]Confirmed to be a bad parent later in life.(probably has daddy issues too)[/QUOTE] Big words for a non parent. If you want to go to the extreme, I could say "Confirmed to be a whiny push over" to you, but that's bullshit and I'm not going to play that game. But that's not the point. I'm trying to emphasize that strong statements leave lasting lessons and make people stronger.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47745157]You can talk to your kid and teach him a lesson at the same time. [editline]17th May 2015[/editline] Big words for a non parent. If you want to go to the extreme, I could say "Confirmed to be a whiny push over" to you. But that's not the point. I'm trying to emphasize that strong statements leave lasting lessons and make people stronger.[/QUOTE] Not being a parent yourself I assume you were going somewhere with that? Yes you certainly can talk to him and teach him a lesson. What is the lesson of this and how does this not make a kid feel, and internalize the feeling of being a loser, and losing his actual material possession? How is this the best option? You can easily remove the distractions without making them break their shit which you as a parent, won't be replacing.

The point is that there is a life outside of the X-Box and that there are priorities that go before it. If this kid wasn't getting his shit together, then you can talk to him, figure things out, and have him get rid of it literally and symbolically. Would I do this? Nah. Have people in my family done this? Nah. I wasn't treated like this or anything. I do think alternatives exist. I'm not going to damn someone for an alternative route that gets them to the same goal with different results. I also think that people turn parenting into the ultimate pissing contest, and now that I've voiced my opinion about this people are going to jump the gun and say, "You're going to be a shit parent." That's pretty lame, and unqualified because it's coming from someone as inexperienced as I am.

I'm pretty sure in a year or so they'll look back on this event and laugh.

Why don't you know, instead of making him break it, just take the fucking thing away (have a family friend store it in their house or something idk) and talk to him about what's actually causing the issue???

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;47745287]I'm pretty sure in a year or so they'll look back on this event and laugh.[/QUOTE] [I]"Hey dad, remember that time you forced me to break my own stuff and publicly humiliated me by recording it and putting it online? Great times!!!"[/I] Yeah, no.

Wow reading this thread through this thread and some people live very sheltered lives. An xbox is replaceable. I'm sure if he showed improvements in his grades, his father would buy him a new one. His father wasn't yelling or screaming at him. THAT is abuse. That causes permanent damage. Having him destroy his xbox, so that he will know in the future there ARE consequences to failure, REAL consequences that don't go away after 3 weeks of having it "taken" away is a very valuable lesson. Kids do not understand hard consequences anymore, especially in our current education system where failing and turning in late work is so easily forgiven. When I arrived at University, I had a hard wake up call because I was never taught these kinds of things. If you think this is abuse, or going to cause anything other than a life lesson, then you are sooo sheltered. Geeze.

[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;47745586]Wow reading this thread through this thread and some people live very sheltered lives. An xbox is replaceable. I'm sure if he showed improvements in his grades, his father would buy him a new one. His father wasn't yelling or screaming at him. THAT is abuse. That causes permanent damage. Having him destroy his xbox, so that he will know in the future there ARE consequences to failure, REAL consequences that don't go away after 3 weeks of having it "taken" away is a very valuable lesson. Kids do not understand hard consequences anymore, especially in our current education system where failing and turning in late work is so easily forgiven. When I arrived at University, I had a hard wake up call because I was never taught these kinds of things. If you think this is abuse, or going to cause anything other than a life lesson, then you are sooo sheltered. Geeze.[/QUOTE] He could have just sold it, removed it, thrown it away, given it away, anything else that doesn't give a bad message that is pretty much useless. He made a video of the punishment. Put it up as public humiliation. Those are not the actions of an intelligent person trying to teach their son to better their grades. When I ran into that issue, my parents just took my shit away. That's it. It was gone. I worked to fix my shit and realized those failures. Boom, shit's back because they didn't waste money to just break my shit and publicly humilate me. Which would inevitably make me resent my parents in a very understandable way because who the fuck wants to be publicly humiliated for playing games and not doing well in a broken school system like the US's? I get it, my criticisms and thoughts on this issue are invalid because you've declared me "sheltered" in an assumptive attempt to weaken the arguments. I'd rather you just looked at the ideas and thought about them.

I was watching the entire thing and expecting his dad to pull out a brand new next-gen xbox to replace the broken one as a surprise gift after he smashed it.

"One of his xbox consoles" Makes me think the kid still has a collection of xboxes.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47745653]He could have just sold it, removed it, thrown it away, given it away, anything else that doesn't give a bad message that is pretty much useless. He made a video of the punishment. Put it up as public humiliation. Those are not the actions of an intelligent person trying to teach their son to better their grades. When I ran into that issue, my parents just took my shit away. That's it. It was gone. I worked to fix my shit and realized those failures. Boom, shit's back because they didn't waste money to just break my shit and publicly humilate me. Which would inevitably make me resent my parents in a very understandable way because who the fuck wants to be publicly humiliated for playing games and not doing well in a broken school system like the US's? I get it, my criticisms and thoughts on this issue are invalid because you've declared me "sheltered" in an assumptive attempt to weaken the arguments. I'd rather you just looked at the ideas and thought about them.[/QUOTE] Well, the school system is broken in that it promotes failure. It isn't broken in that you can not succeed, just that it does not engage students or push them to succeed. I grew up differently I guess, and yea the recording part is the messed up part.

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My dad used to constantly yell at me and hurt me. It's done nothing but make me hate his very existence. And now, years later, he wonders why I don't want to be near him or talk to him. Same thing will happen with this kid. Being an asshole to your kid isn't parenting, it just makes your kids hate you.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47745915]My dad used to constantly yell at me and hurt me. It's done nothing but make me hate his very existence. And now, years later, he wonders why I don't want to be near him or talk to him. Same thing will happen with this kid. Being an asshole to your kid isn't parenting, it just makes your kids hate you.[/QUOTE] I feel for you, but... he made him crush his Xbox. I don't remember seeing him pen him down and beat him to a pulp. We don't know the complete story, either. The kid could've been one of those CoD kids you hear screaming back at his parents to shut the fuck up and ignored everything of importance in the real world. If I had a kid, and he was being a complete little shit and never doing anything except playing video games, I'd make him crush his console too. Beating a child is completely different than this situation.

[QUOTE=Robman8908;47747100]I feel for you, but... he made him crush his Xbox. I don't remember seeing him pen him down and beat him to a pulp. We don't know the complete story, either. The kid could've been one of those CoD kids you hear screaming back at his parents to shut the fuck up and ignored everything of importance in the real world. If I had a kid, and he was being a complete little shit and never doing anything except playing video games, I'd make him crush his console too. Beating a child is completely different than this situation.[/QUOTE] Could be, but nonetheless this conversation has shifted from the context of purely making him break the console. I believe tmaxx is sharing this bit of personal info from the context of the guy recording the video generally being an asshole and the prospect of "is shit like this permanently damaging in any degree"

The way my parents punished me was taking my power cord from my computer. Considering it was the ONLY one I had, it actually worked and made me buckle down. I just don't agree with this, at all. Take it as punishment and give it back as a reward. Cause then maybe your kid won't grow up to hate your guts.

That moment when everyone is acting, without any experience, as better adults and feels like there is only way to discipline a child. This entire thread is filled with psuedo-psychologists making judgements on a single video without even going further into or knowing what the discussion is like. The kid could have easily been one of those kids that goes home, goes on XBox live and curses at everything including his parents and cries when the console gets removed and begs. Removing it physically or making the child break may have actually helped. Also, this is a form of therapy that is used for those suffering from anxiety, PTSD and addictive personality disorder. Destroying the object and recording it or burning the issue after writing it all down are actually [I]helpful[/I] techniques. But ya'll are so busy because videogames that you can't see that. [editline]18th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;47749860]The way my parents punished me was taking my power cord from my computer. Considering it was the ONLY one I had, it actually worked and made me buckle down. I just don't agree with this, at all. Take it as punishment and give it back as a reward. Cause then maybe your kid won't grow up to hate your guts.[/QUOTE] Rewards wear off, they fade out. The reward system is a temporary fix.

[QUOTE=Swilly;47750633]That moment when everyone is acting, without any experience, as better adults and feels like there is only way to discipline a child. This entire thread is filled with psuedo-psychologists making judgements on a single video without even going further into or knowing what the discussion is like. The kid could have easily been one of those kids that goes home, goes on XBox live and curses at everything including his parents and cries when the console gets removed and begs. Removing it physically or making the child break may have actually helped. Also, this is a form of therapy that is used for those suffering from anxiety, PTSD and addictive personality disorder. Destroying the object and recording it or burning the issue after writing it all down are actually [I]helpful[/I] techniques. But ya'll are so busy because videogames that you can't see that. [editline]18th May 2015[/editline] Rewards wear off, they fade out. The reward system is a temporary fix.[/QUOTE] It has nothing to do with video games and everything to do with how many times I've seen shit like this backfire on parents creating angry little brats who don't get better. But go ahead, justify making a video of your child purely to publicly humiliate them. There's nothing wrong with that.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47750675]It has nothing to do with video games and everything to do with how many times I've seen shit like this backfire on parents creating angry little brats who don't get better. But go ahead, justify making a video of your child purely to publicly humiliate them. There's nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE] It could just as easily work as backfire, your anecdotal evidence doesn't actually mean jackshit when it comes to this. Are you a parent? Have you ever taken care of children for extended periods of time? Those are portions of life that if have not done A or B, you lack to the necessary experience to even make a judgement call.

[QUOTE=Swilly;47750708]It could just as easily work as backfire, your anecdotal evidence doesn't actually mean jackshit when it comes to this. Are you a parent? Have you ever taken care of children for extended periods of time? Those are portions of life that if have not done A or B, you lack to the necessary experience to even make a judgement call.[/QUOTE] I'm not a parent, and I have taken care of children for weeks on end. You don't need to be a parent to know that publicly humiliating your child with an internet video is a bad idea and isn't going to help that kid, unless your goal was to help that kid have deeper issues. I can't help but feel tonnes of hypocrisy on that coming from you, as you have done neither A, nor B, but are telling people who disagree with you that not only are they wrong, they're not able to make a decision, and judgement call, that you're making right now [B]just[/B] as you said they are unable to do. Treating kids cruelly doesn't help kids. And you can't tell me that posting a video of public humiliation is good parenting. you just can't tell me that. [editline]18th May 2015[/editline] "You can't make that judgement call, here, I'm equally inexperienced but I'll make that judgement call" Please, don't be a hypocrite.

they could've sold the xbox and all of the questionable morals would've been resolved, nobody would be here today otherwise. what everyone else here is saying is [B]it's not the removal of the xbox that's the problem here, it's how they removed it.[/B] don't get the two mixed up.