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[quote]On February 22, 1969 MacTavish made his debut at the Daytona International Speedway, driving the number 5 1966 Mercury Comet in the Permatex 300 Sportsman (now Nationwide series) race. On lap 9 of the race, his vehicle tangled with a car driven by Bob James. Out of control, MacTavish's car hit the outside crash wall at a point where a metal guard rail covered an opening in the wall. The impact with the butt end of the concrete sheared off the whole front of the car, up to the firewall; its engine was thrown 100 feet from the wreck. The Mercury then spun around and wound up facing oncoming cars in the middle of the track surface, with MacTavish completely exposed in the drivers seat. It was then struck by Sam Sommers. At the speed the cars were traveling, it would have been impossible for Sommers to avoid contact. This second impact severed MacTavish's legs completely off and sent his car bouncing into the grass on the inside of the track. MacTavish was pronounced dead at the spot of the accident.[/quote]
For some reason, stories and pictures of fatal racing accidents always get to me for some reason.
Like Alex Zanardi losing both his legs at a 2001 CART race and being given his last rites while he lost 75% of his blood on the track?
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Well, except that he actually survived and won a gold in Paralympic hand-cycling last year.
[QUOTE=teslacoil;39639304]Like Alex Zanardi losing both his legs at a 2001 CART race and being given his last rites while he lost 75% of his blood on the track?
[IMG]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02092/Alex-Zanardi_2092096b.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Is that red meaty looking stuff what I think it is?
[QUOTE=Griffster26;39639315]Is that red meaty looking stuff what I think it is?[/QUOTE]
There is only one thing in those cars that can look anything like meat.
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His legs?
[QUOTE]Zanardi lost both legs (one at and one above the knee) in the impact and nearly three-quarters of his blood volume, though rapid medical intervention saved his life.[/QUOTE]
Jesus God.
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He's one lucky dude.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39632474]This picture was taken and edited by the same person who photographed and edited "Red flag above the Reichstag"
[IMG]http://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/yk003398.jpg?w=700[/IMG]
The deer in the photo was real, but the planes and explosions were edited in later to make the picture more striking.[/QUOTE]
That picture reminds me of this war memorial I went to last year with my history class
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[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont-Hamel_Newfoundland_Memorial[/URL]
I have loads of Pictures from my friends facebook as well as mine if you guys would like to see more, I have ones from Ypres too the Lochnagar mine
its such a lovely place, there is even a tree there replicating where the "danger tree" was. the craters are still there too. the landscape was litturally just craters and craters, with 2 large ditches on either side (where the canadian/german trenches were)
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Danger Tree
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[QUOTE]The Danger Tree had been part of a clump of trees located about halfway into No Man's Land and had originally been used as a landmark by a Newfoundland Regiment trench raiding party in the days before the Battle of the Somme.[SUP][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont-Hamel_Newfoundland_Memorial#cite_note-nicholson_271-20"][18][/URL][/SUP] British and German artillery bombardments eventually stripped the tree of leaves and left nothing more than a shattered tree trunk.[SUP][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont-Hamel_Newfoundland_Memorial#cite_note-nicholson_271-20"][18][/URL][/SUP] During the Newfoundland Regiment's infantry assault, the tree was once again used as a landmark, where the troops were ordered to gather. The tree was however a highly visible landmark for the German artillery and the site proved to be a location where the German shrapnel was particularly deadly. As a result the regiment suffered a large concentration of casualties around the tree.[SUP][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont-Hamel_Newfoundland_Memorial#cite_note-nicholson_271-20"][18][/URL][/SUP] A replica representation of the twisted tree now stands at the spot.[SUP][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont-Hamel_Newfoundland_Memorial#cite_note-VAC_BH-27"][25][/URL][/SUP]
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Didn't shake the world but shook me when I saw it.
Kind of relating to that picture of alex zandari, I was driving home late one evening from a friends house and as I pulled up to an intersection I saw a woman run a red light in a black SUV, midway through the car was like T-boned by a massive 18 wheeler, coming from the nearby shipyard hauling all sorts of shit. Anyway the woman was LITERALLY severed in half. Right above the hips so as she flew out of the car all of her intestines were stretched out from the inside of the car down the hood and out about 15 feet where she was laying. God I will never get the image out of my mind as I got out and she was trying to stand up, she didn't know what happened. She died really fast, the worst part was I read in the newspaper the net day that they were in Wilmington for their honeymoon and she was going back to the beach or something. Fuck that shook me up even more.
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German civilians forced the view 30 Jewish women starved the death on a deathmarch in Czechoslovakia. Bodies were recently exhumed and the coffins in the background are meant to give the victims a proper burial.
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Dachau camp guards machinegunned by liberating US soldiers. Note the mounted machinegun in the center and the man reloading his BAR on the right, holding a few magazines.
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General George Patton with Eisenhower and other General Staff view a demonstration of a whipping block being used in Gotha Concentration camp.
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A commandant of the concentration camp was forced to stand amidst the pile of bodies by a US colonel.
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Under the direction of an American soldier, German civilians from Gardelegen carry wooden crosses to the site where they were ordered to bury the bodies of concentration camp prisoners killed by the SS in a barn just outside the town.
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American soldiers of the U.S. 7th Army force boys, believed to be Hitler youth, to examine boxcars containing bodies of prisoners starved to death by the SS.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;39644473]
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Dachau camp guards machinegunned by liberating US soldiers. Note the mounted machinegun in the center and the man reloading his BAR on the right, holding a few magazines.
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"liberators" Them executing the camp guards makes them no better than the men they're killing
There was some pretty nasty atrocities that occurred immediately after the war ended, especially with POW's and civilians. If any of you have the time, read "Tigers in the Mud" by Otto Carius. Towards the end, he talks about his time in an American POW camp after he and his men surrendered. Some officers there were tortured until they admitted to war crimes and wounded men were pulled from hospitals and dumped in POW camps without medical attention, and eventually died of their wounds. There wasn't a supply of water or food, and if you tried to talk to a guard you were immediately gunned down.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39645111]"liberators" Them executing the camp guards makes them no better than the men they're killing
There was some pretty nasty atrocities that occurred immediately after the war ended, especially with POW's and civilians. If any of you have the time, read "Tigers in the Mud" by Otto Carius. Towards the end, he talks about his time in an American POW camp after he and his men surrendered. Some officers there were tortured until they admitted to war crimes and wounded men were pulled from hospitals and dumped in POW camps without medical attention, and eventually died of their wounds. There wasn't a supply of water or food, and if you tried to talk to a guard you were immediately gunned down.[/QUOTE]
As a soldier after being through so much war, and then coming upon a concentration camp, im sure those men were never the same. When they gunned down the guards im sure not a single one was thinking straight. I don't blame them for their actions.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;39649281]As a soldier after being through so much war, and then coming upon a concentration camp, im sure those men were never the same. When they gunned down the guards im sure not a single one was thinking straight. I don't blame them for their actions.[/QUOTE]
The same excuse could be used for the men of the SS. Maybe they were just caught up in all the propaganda? Maybe they were just good people who lost their way? Maybe they saw their comrades brutally killed by the Russians, and just weren't thinking straight.
"not thinking straight" is not an excuse to execute and torture POW's. "Not thinking straight" is not an excuse to force uninvolved civilians to dig up graves. "not thinking straight" is not an excuse to starve POW's. Their actions are just as inexcusable as those of the SS.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39649468]The same excuse could be used for the men of the SS. Maybe they were just caught up in all the propaganda? Maybe they were just good people who lost their way? Maybe they saw their comrades brutally killed by the Russians, and just weren't thinking straight.
"not thinking straight" is not an excuse to execute and torture POW's. "Not thinking straight" is not an excuse to force uninvolved civilians to dig up graves. "not thinking straight" is not an excuse to starve POW's. Their actions are just as inexcusable as those of the SS.[/QUOTE]
Their acts are no where near the level of the shit the SS pulled, you can't compare the two.
The bottom line is those American soldiers murdered camp guards who had already surrendered. They committed a war crime, plain and simple.
To stay on topic: these WWII pictures are endlessly fascinating. I had no idea that that massacre had occured at Dachau.
I'm amazed at how much I've learned from reading this thread, not just about WWII, but about so much else in the world, both past and present.
Those American soldiers have never seen anything like a concentration camp before, nor have they ever witnessed murder on an industrial scale like that they have seen at Dachau. There's no surprise if there was a breakdown in discipline and a few of the men went nuts at the guards.
And seeing that this is Black History Month in USA.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Robert_Gould_Shaw.jpg[/img]
Colonel Robert Gould Shaw led the All-Black 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment during the Civil War. Famously known for leading the fatal charge during the Battle of Fort Wagner, he was killed in action while his regiment suffered heavy casualties. His actions spurred the 54th into legend as hundreds of thousands of blacks later enlisted for the Union which may have proved to have been a vital turning point in the war.
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Sergeant William Carney was one of the few black soldiers that attained the rank of an NCO. He managed to enlist by being given a white man's surname that helped him in the enlistment. Decades later, he was rewarded the Medal of Honor for his actions during the Battle of Fort Wagner.
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Men of the 332nd Fighter Group, more famously known as the Tuskegee Airmen. A renowned fighter group that has gained fame for being one of the best fighter escort groups in the Army.
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Colored officers in the 761st Tank Battalion. For their actions in the Battle of the Bulge the unit was rewarded the Presidential Unit Citation
I remember in one of the call of duties, you get to play as one of those tank commanders.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;39649590]Their acts are no where near the level of the shit the SS pulled, you can't compare the two.[/QUOTE]
Except they're the same. They're killing unarmed people at a massive rate. The only difference is their uniform color. These specific actions are no different than what the SS would have done. How you're unable to see the two as comparable is beyond me
This:
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is absolutely no different than this
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Both sides are monsters.
Theres a big difference, one side is murdering innocent civilians, thousands of them, while the other is taking justice into their own hands.
Its a failure of giving the POW due process for their war crimes. To stat that they're on par is a fetch.
What they did is wrong though.
Shooting POWs is wrong, but I really don't care at this point when it comes to CC guards
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not worth pushing this further.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;39651124][img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/332ndFighterBriefing1945.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]i hate the "no that's Will Smith" joke
but that seriously looks like a young Will Smith
Just to shed some light onto things so hopefully we can continue posting pictures and stop arguing.
The mass executions conducted by the Germans during World was II was tragic, yes it was horrible and a industrial scale murder and genocide was committed. However, (and I'm not trying to justify just explain) what most people seem to continuously forget or don't know about is as follows. After WWI Germany was in shambles, they had a massive debt and the country was disgraced by the allied powers. When Hitler came around he gave new light to the country, re instilled pride with an extremely and often blinding nationalistic view. He reunited the devastated country and its people and while doing this so much hope was put into Hitler that people were often brainwashed. People were convinced that the Jews were the cause for Germany's problems. During actual executions, if a soldier refused to fire, or intentionally missed they were frequently thrown in with the prisoners and shot in the same manner. War adds a thick film over reality and often the human mind transforms and functions in a very warped manner. Yes the genocide and atrocities that the Germans committed was terrible. The SS was a group of DEVOUT members who had often lost everything and Hitler brought them back that which they lost thus he was almost a god to everyone. AGAIN it was terrible but you cant look at it as if they enjoyed it, and if they did its because their minds were trained to truly believe in what they were doing.
As for the Americans executing the guards, again look at it like this. These are young boys who are bred to hate the Germans and taught that they were all Nazis and devout crazed party members. Now imagine this, You are an American soldier fighting in the closing months of the war, you have seen so much death and you have lost friends. You stumble into this camp and are ENRAGED by this unnecessary death of all these innocents. This rage builds along with the already instilled American propaganda. In a rash act of rage you get all of the surrendered guards and execute them, because in your mind you believe that anyone who did this does not deserve to live, especially since after the war the might be given a fair trial which in your mind is unacceptable.
When looking at war you can't look at what is right and wrong. Yes from a civilians standpoint it is easy to determine, but war is not simple. People act quickly and in the heat of the moment which end up in war crimes and in mistakes. We have no right to judge the actions of these men, they have been through hell, both sides, each person has their own story. It probably wont justify it to us, but the past does not need justification.
I personally think that's a relatievly unbiased view
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Just some info on this particular image:
"The final curtain for the U.S 157th Regiment fell at Dachau, a concentration camp near Munich distinguishable from
extermination camps of the East only in that malnutrition, overwork, disease and the ad hoc execution were the preferred
methods of dispatching inmates. The scenes that greeted Sparks's regiment when they arrived on April 29, 1945,
read like a lost canto from Dante's "Inferno." Upon opening one boxcar full of corpses, Mr. Kershaw writes, the "scouts stood
and stared in utter disbelief. Several of the dead had open eyes. . . . It was as if the others were staring at the Thunderbirds,
remembered one scout, and with accusing looks asking: 'What took you so long?' "
The sight of emaciated, twisted bodies, living and dead, proved too much. Sparks's men bridled at the injustice of merely taking
the German guards prisoner. Voting with their rifles, several infantrymen, led by a tearful, crazed lieutenant named
William Walsh, lined up SS guards along a coal-yard wall and shot them, killing 17 and wounding many more before Sparks,
brandishing his pistol, stopped the killing.
The coal-yard massacre, undeniably a war crime, might have ended Sparks's career. But with the German surrender in May 1945,
America was in no mood to try its heroes. After an investigation, Gen. Patton called Sparks into his office and, with a flourish, tore
into pieces the report condemning Sparks and his men. "You have been a damn fine soldier," Patton told him. "Now go home."
Mr. Kershaw faces the issue honestly. "In a later war," he writes, "Lieutenant Walsh might have been tried for murder."
But he gives Walsh the last word: "I don't think there was any SS guy that was shot or killed in the defense of Dachau
who wondered why he was killed, or couldn't figure it out."
From the book "The Liberator" great book suggest to read it.
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[QUOTE]Members of the VF-62 squadron "decorate" a plane that landed on the wrong carrier[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=-n3o-;39656628]Gen. Patton called Sparks into his office and, with a flourish, tore
into pieces the report condemning Sparks and his men. "You have been a damn fine soldier," Patton told him. "Now go home."
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Figures as much Patton would pull some bull shit like that.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39657515]Figures as much Patton would pull some bull shit like that.[/QUOTE]
Patton was a very heavy handed general I guess you could say, but also great at wining a war. Interesting man.
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Anybody got any info on this image?
I know it's probably from Chechnya judging from the picture quality and the enviroment.
[QUOTE=-n3o-;39657572]Patton was a very heavy handed general I guess you could say, but also great at wining a war. Interesting man.[/QUOTE]
He was also an asshole who beat soldiers with PTSD and called them cowards. Him and MacArthur are the 2 worst US generals of the war. Neither gave a shit about their men.
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Charles Young, first black Colonel of the United States Army, pictured here in a 1919 portrait photo.
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