Steroids thread v2: haha im so jacke- oh god there is milk leaking out of my nipple help - General

[QUOTE=HarveySpecter;38086234]I want to maintain sub 9% bf levels while gaining muscle, whats the best shit out there to improve insulin sensitivity and calorie partioning?[/QUOTE] Take your pick lmao. Trenbolone would probably lead the race. Test + tren is a ridiculously powerful combo.

Primo also does the job well without the tren side effects, but any meaningful dose of primo is going to burn a mean hole through your wallet.

How much are we looking at?H

[QUOTE=HarveySpecter;38087101]How much are we looking at?H[/QUOTE] Considering primo is generally seen only dosed at 100mg/ml and one vial generally runs $80-120+..... a lot

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;38085968]this. DAA, or SERMs like nolva and clomid for that matter, do nothing to help clear the roadblock to recovery which is testes not responding to LH. [editline]18th October 2012[/editline] did you read anything???? Yes you will need to see to a PCT. Metabolite inhibitors do nothing to help your gonads. You will need HCG.[/QUOTE] Silly boy, what would you suggest for a pct then? claiming nolvadex with daa won't do anything is silllly. There's no other combination of testosterone boosting agents that will be as effective imo. I actually see what you're saying now, daa increases the amount of luteinizing hormone but but that doesn't change the fact that the balls aren't going to respond to that increased amount of luteinizing hormone. I still think if you take nolva with daa without completely stopping lifting post cycle, you'll be able to maintain more. And despite what you say about the balls not responding to this luteinizing hormone, when there's no estrogen in your body, your body has no choice but to start producing more testosterone. I assume nolvadex counteracts what you're claiming. that's why every decent cycle in the world involves using nolva, because clomed can ruin your eyesight.

Would I be able to change the test prop dosage to 300 a week instead of 350? I thought up this for a week Monday: 100mg test prop Tuesday: 250 Masteron + aromasin Wednesday: 100mg test prop Thursday: 250 Masteron + aromasin Friday: 100mg test prop Saturday: aromasin Sunday: nothing

[QUOTE=Lemonator;38090030]Would I be able to change the test prop dosage to 300 a week instead of 350? I thought up this for a week Monday: 100mg test prop Tuesday: 250 Masteron + aromasin Wednesday: 100mg test prop Thursday: 250 Masteron + aromasin Friday: 100mg test prop Saturday: aromasin Sunday: nothing[/QUOTE] aromasin will inhibit your strength gains. are you afraid to get gyno or something?

[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38087988]Silly boy, what would you suggest for a pct then? claiming nolvadex with daa won't do anything is silllly. There's no other combination of testosterone boosting agents that will be as effective imo. I actually see what you're saying now, daa increases the amount of luteinizing hormone but but that doesn't change the fact that the balls aren't going to respond to that increased amount of luteinizing hormone. I still think if you take nolva with daa without completely stopping lifting post cycle, you'll be able to maintain more. And despite what you say about the balls not responding to this luteinizing hormone, when there's no estrogen in your body, your body has no choice but to start producing more testosterone. I assume nolvadex counteracts what you're claiming. that's why every decent cycle in the world involves using nolva, because clomed can ruin your eyesight.[/QUOTE] jesus christ there's so much retarded shit in here i don't even know where to begin. I already covered in the OP what I would suggest for PCT. "when there's no estrogen in your body your, your body has no choice but to start producing more testosterone" yeah, no. That's not how it works. "every decent cycle in the world involves using nolva" no it doesn't. Did we go back in time to the 90s??? We have aromatase inhibitors today for estrogen related problems, taking SERMs on cycle is dumb. SERMs are all around terrible drugs. Clomid doesn't ruin your eyesight, it can effect eyesight in a small percentage of people, it is not permanent damage to the function of the eye. "It is important to understand that anti-estrogens alone do not do much to restore endogenous testosterone release after a cycle. Normally they only foster LH by blocking the negative feedback of estrogens, and we now see that LH rebounds quickly without help anyway. Plus, post cycle there is not an elevated level of estrogen for anti-estrogens to block, as testosterone (now suppressed) is a major substrate used for the synthesis of estrogens in men. Serum estrogen levels will actually be lower here as a result, not higher. Any estrogen rebound that occurs post-cycle likewise happens concurrently with a rebound in testosterone levels, not prior to it (note there is an imbalance in the ratio post cycle, but this is another topic altogether). We are seeing no mechanism in which anti-estrogenic drugs can really help here. We can see why this fact would not be difficult to overlook, however. The medical literature is filled with references showing anti-estrogenic drugs like Clomid and Nolvadex to increase LH and testosterone levels, and in normal situations these drugs do indeed increase endogenous androgen production by blocking the negative feedback of estrogens. Combine this with the fact that just as many studies can be found to show that steroid use lowers LH levels when suppressing testosterone, and we can see how easy it would be to jump to the conclusion that post-cycle we need to focus on restoring LH. We would miss the true problem of testicular desensitization unless we were really looking into the actual recovery rates of the hormones involved. When we do, we immediately see little value in using anti-estrogenic drugs." SERMs are practically useless in post cycle therapy without HCG. [editline]18th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38091484]aromasin will inhibit your strength gains. are you afraid to get gyno or something?[/QUOTE] no it won't where do you get this shit. Are you just parroting some shit you read on steroid.com forums?

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;38091674] Are you just parroting some shit you read on steroid.com forums?[/QUOTE] That's what I've been suspecting he does. It's just the kind of crap they'd say over there.

[QUOTE=Lemonator;38090030]Would I be able to change the test prop dosage to 300 a week instead of 350? I thought up this for a week Monday: 100mg test prop Tuesday: 250 Masteron + aromasin Wednesday: 100mg test prop Thursday: 250 Masteron + aromasin Friday: 100mg test prop Saturday: aromasin Sunday: nothing[/QUOTE] yes, but EOD dosing should be EOD. Also unless the masteron is long estered, you're going to want to inject it with the same frequency as the test.

How old are the people who have cycled in here? I'm contemplating a cycle slightly, maybe just some test to see how it is; I'm 18. The reason I want to cycle (not just for the gains) is that we only live once and everyone will die of something eventually right?

[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;38093003]How old are the people who have cycled in here? I'm contemplating a cycle slightly, maybe just some test to see how it is; I'm 18. The reason I want to cycle (not just for the gains) is that we only live once and everyone will die of something eventually right?[/QUOTE] 22. Refer to my previous post about testosterone accelerating growth plate closure before you jump to "lel time to roid!!!"

Testosterone propionate 350mg/week Anavar 350mg/week Aromasin 25mg/ED 8 weeks This cycle seems like the one I would probably go for- as I had already looked into anavar as a compound when I first became interested in running a cycle. As well as this, I would like a cycle with little to no sides (don't we all?). So if one was set upon running a cycle, would you suggest this to a younger steriod abuser? Also sorry to bombard you with quesitons, but what is your opinion on oral cycles?

[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;38094040]Testosterone propionate 350mg/week Anavar 350mg/week Aromasin 25mg/ED 8 weeks This cycle seems like the one I would probably go for- as I had already looked into anavar as a compound when I first became interested in running a cycle. As well as this, I would like a cycle with little to no sides (don't we all?). So if one was set upon running a cycle, would you suggest this to a younger steriod abuser? Also sorry to bombard you with quesitons, but what is your opinion on oral cycles?[/QUOTE] I would suggest to wait a few years. I only offered those examples because I realize being told "no" rarely changes anybodies mind and you're going to do it regardless. As far as oral cycles go, they can be productive but are usually inferior/ less than ideal. An anavar only cycle would actually be much safer in terms of risk of growth plate closure in comparison to that cycle. But the dosages would need to be much higher to produce similar results, which in turn could be considerably expensive.

you obviously have it all figured out, taha. tahaa. [editline]18th October 2012[/editline] care to post a source for your giant copypaste, for shitz and gigs. ;]

[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38094843]you obviously have it all figured out, taha. tahaa. [editline]18th October 2012[/editline] care to post a source for your giant copypaste, for shitz and gigs. ;][/QUOTE] inb4 jaeger

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;38092456]yes, but EOD dosing should be EOD. Also unless the masteron is long estered, you're going to want to inject it with the same frequency as the test.[/QUOTE] lets say I do this should I still do 500 masteron but inject 3x/week? also I was going to do this over the summer so I would have to do a 6 week cycle due to vacation/other things what are the cons of taking masteron prop less frequently then the test prop?

[QUOTE=Alternativ;38116221]lets say I do this should I still do 500 masteron but inject 3x/week? also I was going to do this over the summer so I would have to do a 6 week cycle due to vacation/other things what are the cons of taking masteron prop less frequently then the test prop?[/QUOTE] yes. It's the half life of the drug, propionate esters are very short, if you injected masteron only twice a week your blood levels would be all over the shop. [editline]22nd October 2012[/editline] this would be a different story if you had the enanthate ester which is much longer and suitable for injecting only twice a week. However the trade off is with longer esters you are actually getting slightly less steroid per mg due to the ester weight, and unless you frontload it will take some weeks for the blood levels to build up to desirable concentrations. [editline]22nd October 2012[/editline] 6 week cycle is kind of shit. It will work fine, but it's a case where you may as well extend it out to 8 or 10 weeks. By 6 weeks you are well and truly completely suppressed and the testes are unresponsive, so if you came off cold turkey it would take you just as long to recover as it would if you went 8 weeks. You are shortchanging yourself a few extra weeks of growth for nothing.

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;38136712]yes. It's the half life of the drug, propionate esters are very short, if you injected masteron only twice a week your blood levels would be all over the shop. [editline]22nd October 2012[/editline] this would be a different story if you had the enanthate ester which is much longer and suitable for injecting only twice a week. However the trade off is with longer esters you are actually getting slightly less steroid per mg due to the ester weight, and unless you frontload it will take some weeks for the blood levels to build up to desirable concentrations. [editline]22nd October 2012[/editline] 6 week cycle is kind of shit. It will work fine, but it's a case where you may as well extend it out to 8 or 10 weeks. By 6 weeks you are well and truly completely suppressed and the testes are unresponsive, so if you came off cold turkey it would take you just as long to recover as it would if you went 8 weeks. You are shortchanging yourself a few extra weeks of growth for nothing.[/QUOTE] Do you think it would be wise to do the same cycle except use Test E and Mast E instead of prop? longer esters would help by not constantly injecting 6x a week and I wont have to worry about fucking up and somehow missing a day.

[QUOTE=Alternativ;38171531]Do you think it would be wise to do the same cycle except use Test E and Mast E instead of prop? longer esters would help by not constantly injecting 6x a week and I wont have to worry about fucking up and somehow missing a day.[/QUOTE] You could, yes.

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;38175540]You could, yes.[/QUOTE] would there be any cons to choosing en over prop?

You get less test per mg since the ester is heavier.

What a fucking awesome original post. Will give this a read when I get a chance.

[QUOTE=Alternativ;38196523]would there be any cons to choosing en over prop?[/QUOTE] Like shovel said, you are getting slightly less actual testosterone because of the heavier ester. It's about 10mg more with propionate or something around that. Doesn't matter that much overall. also heavier esters take longer to build up to desirable blood levels (this can be circumvented to some degree with frontloading) and take longer to clear your system. As far as actual effects, some people claim prop gives them less bloat and side effects in general, but this is usually only because the typical injection schedule most people use for long esters gives you blood levels that are all over the shop, where as with short esters people inject ED or EOD which gives very consistent blood levels. Overall it's not a great deal of difference.

aware me on tbol, It sounds too good to be true.

[QUOTE=Lemonator;38309465]aware me on tbol, It sounds too good to be true.[/QUOTE] uhhh It's not all that different from anavar really. 17aa, very low androgenic effect, decent anabolic. decent strength building compound. Pretty low on side effects, doesn't aromatize.

Can someone whip up a good anavar only cycle? Price doesn't matter. First time using. 18 yrs old.

[QUOTE=Raider Munch;38379365]Can someone whip up a good anavar only cycle? Price doesn't matter. First time using. 18 yrs old.[/QUOTE] Don't do an anavar only cycle. Don't. You have a lot more research to do if you still think it's a good idea.

I have researched it, and it's mixed results... :\ Any other cycle that would be good when price doesn't matter?

Mixed results because there's tons of idiots out there who have done it and think it was good when they have no experience with legitimate cycles. Nobody who has any real experience with steroids will ever suggest an anavar only cycle, or an oral only cycle at that. If price really doesn't matter then run a low dose of test (250mg or so) and as much primo as you can get your filthy little hands on. You'll look like a greek god in no time with little to no side effects, primo is the true champion of safe and extremely effective steroids, its price tends to reflect that.