Steroids thread v2: haha im so jacke- oh god there is milk leaking out of my nipple help - General

[QUOTE=Raider Munch;38379365]Can someone whip up a good anavar only cycle? Price doesn't matter. First time using. 18 yrs old.[/QUOTE] Well first of all, I'd say you need to step back and be sure that you really want to be doing this at 18 years old. Can you not wait 2 or 3 years at the very least? failing that if price isn't an concern: testosterone 200mg/week Primobolan 700mg/week aromasin 12.5mg/day

For someone with little muscle mass already (130 pounds, 5' 11"), how much faster does one gain muscle mass/strength with a cycle like the one above as compared to naturally? Just wondering.

Roiding will get you results times; 2x if you sit on your arse doing nothing an eating like shit. 4x if you sit on your arse doing nothing but eating perfect. 8x if you work out but have a shitty diet. 16x if you work out and have a good diet. its worth it if dedicated, a v. bad idea if you just sit around. A friend of mine cycles every few months (bout 2-3 times a year since 18) and he yo-yos between looking like a god and looking like crap becuase he doesn't have the discipline to maintain his gains.

16x? That is pretty damn intense. I still don't think I will do it since I am only turning 18 in 3 months..., but I'll keep researching it and considering it. If I were older I'd probably do it. I don't have any moral/ethical qualms against it in the least.

[QUOTE=Collin665;38670135]For someone with little muscle mass already (130 pounds, 5' 11"), how much faster does one gain muscle mass/strength with a cycle like the one above as compared to naturally? Just wondering.[/QUOTE] lmao dude at 130lbs at goddamn 5'11 you are nearly non-existent. I guarantee you could gain 20lbs of muscle in very short order just from eating more. Dont even consider steroids at this point.

Going on an 8 week steroid cycle, would all the strength gains / muscle mass stay put after I get off the cycle? Not that I'll be cycling any time soon, just curious.

[QUOTE=loopoo;41005619]Going on an 8 week steroid cycle, would all the strength gains / muscle mass stay put after I get off the cycle? Not that I'll be cycling any time soon, just curious.[/QUOTE] Mostly yes. Depends on how quick you can get your natural androgen production back up to scratch. With the use of HCG that should not be a problem. You will however lose some size irregardless of how well you do anything, and thats because a good portion of the size guys "blow up" on is dramatically increased glycogen storage in the muscle tissue, and water retention etc. Also may as well kill a myth here while I'm at it, ALL steroids increase water retention, even the non-aromatizing ones. This is because androgens alter the renin-anginotensis system fluid balance. The difference is aromatizing steroids, when converted to estradiol, estradiol causes much more subq water retention (i.e in the skin) which combined with people eating like pigs and being bloated all the time can lead to a blurring of defintion.

Is all this knowledge purely from doing a fucktonne of research, or are you a Pharmaceutical grad?

[QUOTE=loopoo;41005940]Is all this knowledge purely from doing a fucktonne of research, or are you a Pharmaceutical grad?[/QUOTE] fuckton of research. I read a lot of studies and read a lot of pharmacology related to anabolics.

I take it you're a steroid user yourself, yeah? Any bad experiences or stories to tell? Also, have you got any pictures of what you look like, or do you not generally post pictures.

[QUOTE=loopoo;41006072]I take it you're a steroid user yourself, yeah? Any bad experiences or stories to tell? Also, have you got any pictures of what you look like, or do you not generally post pictures.[/QUOTE] As a general rule I try to keep anything about myself separate from the internet. More so now because the career paths I want to take would be fucked if it was revealed I've used steroids. As for bad experiences and stories, well a combination of trenbolone and testosterone, while amazing, was really fucking bad on my hair, and caused some major shedding which has now halted, I've now got a mature hairline which is kind of hard to explain. It doesn't look at all like im balding, but if you compared my temples to someone with a full head of hair you would see the reduction. Nothing really noticeable but it definitely gave me a scare. Had I known at the time the major fucking itching I would get every now and then was my hair follicles going crazy I would've taken better preventative measures. Also tren anxiety got pretty bad towards the 7 week mark, I wasn't panicking and I never had problems with my temper at all, but I would get annoyed and anxious if I wasn't doing something to keep my mind occupied. Tren also gave me the worst acne I've ever had on my back and upper arms, which took good month or so after discontinuing the tren to clear up, still get a few nasty fuckers on my back but its a huge improvement over where it was while I was on tren. Also idk if its just my imagination but women fucking love me while I'm on tren. A female friend of mine I've known since high school who is notorious for playing hard to get with the guys she goes out with was on heat all over me after we went out to club one night. Ended up pounding her out with her parents in the next room over : )

i'm going to buy a whole shipping container of tren and i'll sparkle it all over my armpits

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[QUOTE=The Slayer;40998263]Wow this threads a slow mover! I've just started my 3rd week on an equipoise300/test400 stack. My strength has just hit the roof out of nowhere. I'm very pleased :)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ryz0;41000369]how long's your cycle?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JaegerMonster;41004581]Why do you cocksuckers keep bumping this fuckin thread, bump the other one. Its called V2 for a reason. Stupid cunts. Shit.[/QUOTE] Oops sorry about posting in the wrong thread! It's part of a 15 week course which I kick started with some dbol. I've just checked the scales and I've put a stone on in 10 days which is a bit crazy!

you feeling bloated as fuck yet?

I don't know where it's gone to be honest. There must be some water retention somewhere but looking in the mirror I can't see a change in muscle or fat. My muscles feel like their really bulging during a workout though, feels niiiice

my nigga ryzo on the roids secrets out this nigga soon be sucking dick or robbing his mom just to pay for his next vial of trenbolone probably break into a beef ranch just to steal their finaplix pellets, fucking faggot

motherfuckers, na nigga i finished my 1rd cycle of test e a while ago last day of pct checking in balls juicier than ever checking in

How much does sterons usually go for?

[QUOTE=Heigou;41837292]How much does sterons usually go for?[/QUOTE] Cheap as dirt. You can get a year's worth of cruising test (52 weeks at 250mg a week) for what is the equivalent of around 10 bucks a month.

Well shit, that's really cheap. I have a past history of heavy medications that could have or could not have taken a toll on my liver, if I ever decide to try sterons, is that something I'll have to look out for? I'm thinking I should go get myself tested for stuff like liver function just to make sure I'm not screwing myself over.

Injectables do not affect the liver at all. It's only the orals that have to pass through the liver, and you can easily do without using orals.

oral roids fuck up the liver big time injectible roids not so much maverick or jaeger will probs elaborate [editline]14th August 2013[/editline] 2 l8 he already did

time 2 inject pig hormones into my balls

[QUOTE=Heigou;41837575]Well shit, that's really cheap. I have a past history of heavy medications that could have or could not have taken a toll on my liver, if I ever decide to try sterons, is that something I'll have to look out for? I'm thinking I should go get myself tested for stuff like liver function just to make sure I'm not screwing myself over.[/QUOTE] Probably avoid anything with a 17aa alteration which is typically "oral" compounds. Just keep in mind that using injectable versions of these same compounds does not remove the liver stress, everything is still filtered through the liver. Its arguable that IM administration would be *less* stressful than oral, but none the less. Liver enzymes still go up on athletes when they were given injectable stanazolol for example.

I'll go test for liver functions anyhow, I've also been reluctant to taking creatine because of it, took some bad shit as a kid. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methotrexate[/url] probably the worst I took, had that shit injected into my arm every fridays.

[QUOTE=Ryz0;41838384]oral roids fuck up the liver big time injectible roids not so much maverick or jaeger will probs elaborate [editline]14th August 2013[/editline] 2 l8 he already did[/QUOTE] Eh, you aren't really correct. At least as far as "big time" goes. Oral steroids, at least most of them, are not nearly as liver toxic as the myths make them out to be. With the exception of heavy hitters like anadrol (which even then is given to kids with muscle wasting diseases at 200mg a day, a dose that would make a bodybuilder shit themselves, without significant liver damage), halo, methyl-tren, and superdrol, a cycle/blast containing orals at moderate doses would do no more damage to the liver than going out and drinking once a week would. The only real danger is sustained use at high dosages. A cycle/blast that contains anadrol at 100mg a day will not do any significant damage to your liver in the slightest, but if you ran that anadrol year-round, the damage will slowly add up because your liver has no time to recover. The liver is one of the most resilient organs, as long as it is not completely killed, it rebuilds itself extremely quickly. Which is why "liver support" supplements and whatnot are just a massive scam, they are completely unnecessary. I hate to point to specific people because guys always go, "hurr durr he's the exception," but Arnold ran dbol at 100mg every single day of the year while he was a bodybuilder. That's no measly dose of dbol. And he liked to enjoy his alcohol every once in a while too. No liver damage. Kevin Levrone is a more modern bodybuilder, took the metric fucktons of orals they all do these days AND was a HARDCORE alcoholic, yet had no liver damage. Look at the guys who suffer from liver damage and you'll find it isn't the oral steroids that did it, it was the narcotics and extreme diuretic abuse. Andreas Munzer turned his liver into a pile of black goop with absolutely mind-blowing amounts of narcotics and diuretics. Sure, the gear didn't help, but it definitely was far from being the culprit. In a nutshell, As long as you are not using insane dosages of orals for long periods of time on top of alcohol/other liver damaging drugs, liver damage is completely irrelevant and doesn't need to be considered (unless you have previous problems like Heigou).

Just out of interest, why would a bodybuilder need to take diuretics?

Being dry is a very important aspect of competing in bodybuilding. It's just as important as having a low bodyfat. You can be 6 percent bodyfat but look (according to the average kid trying to eyeball bodyfat) like you're 10 percent if you aren't dry. For example, take this picture of Andreas Munzer. He was at around 3 percent bodyfat here, dry as a fucking bone. [img]http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/1075/630/d/1995_arnold_classic_review_b1216139758.jpg[/img] Now look at Dexter Jackson. [img]http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/australiapro2010/aust-1911268462903.jpg[/img] Who would you say has a lower bodyfat percentage? Most would say Munzer. But in reality, they are the same. DexJax regularly competes at 3 percent bodyfat. The reason why he doesn't look like Munzer is because he isn't as dry. He's dry as fucking shit for a bodybuilder, but not Munzer dry. It isn't the bodyfat percentage that is unhealthy, Dexter has a healthy look in his face even when he's competing, obviously I don't know his bloodwork but it's pretty clear he's a healthy man. That's why Munzer died. To get that dry, to have not a single fucking drop of water under you skin, takes diuretic abuse on levels that completely ravage the ever living fuck out of every organ in your body. It is outright unhealthy and brings you close to death being that dehydrated. I don't even think diuretics alone can get you that dry, which is why he also abused serious narcotics (known for thinning the skin, which is why you see a lot of methheads and whatnot who are ridiculously vascular). Kai Greene hasn't won a Sandow because he keeps fucking up his conditioning and coming in too wet. Water management is extremely important.

[quote] We have already established that it requires grams (average between 6-9g) of anabolic steroids per week in combination with 20-40iu's (average) of growth hormone weekly with insulin and various peptides to achieve IFBB pro muscular size. While steroids in moderate to fairly large doses tend not to affect day to day activity, once you reach the threshold of what some may dub "mega-dosing," functionality on a daily basis becomes somewhat compromised. The following is a typical high level IFBB pro's various drugs use to combat the negative side effects of the muscle building chemicals. 1. xanax/klonopin/various generic benzodiazepines - everyone in the pro circuit takes large doses of benzos numerous times a day. High doses of certain drugs like trenbolone and equipoise cause panic attacks and general anxiety. Its pretty hard to be friendly and appear well adjusted at a gigantic bodybuilding expo, people constantly touching you, asking you idiotic questions, forcing you to take photos in ridiculous poses all day long. 2. ambien/trazadone/various generic prescribed sleeping pills - it is almost impossible to fall asleep on the amount of anabolics that is required to achieve necessary muscular size to compete at the top level. Sure, GH makes you very sleepy but unfortunately it becomes very very hard to actually fall asleep without the sleeping pills. 3. GHB - Used both in combination with sleeping pills to help fall asleep and maintain a deep level of REM sleep through the night and also as a party drug as an alternative to alcohol since it does not have a direct negative impact on protein synthesis. GHB, though, is becoming a major cause of health problems in current bodybuilders because nowadays must GHB is synthesized from GBL, which is used in paint thinner. 4. Amphetamines - Taking 20-40iu's of GH everyday makes you a zombie. You will always feel like you are about to keel over and fall asleep and the smallest things require an extreme amount of effort to do because you are so tired. Amphetamines (usually prescription dextroamphetamine pills) used throughout the day, especially during expos or guest posing events, are extremely helpful. This also, unfortunately, compounds the insomnia issue which then in turn leads to larger doses of sleep inducing drugs. 5. Soma or various generic spasmolytics - Mineral imbalances induced by large doses of oral steroids, diuretics or vitamin deficiencies due to diet as well as chronic injuries often lead to intense muscle pain and cramping. Regular usage of muscle relaxant drugs usually allow painless training and functioning. 6. Opiate painkillers - Chronic pain as well as the mental side effects induced by large doses of the muscle building drugs often lead to self-medication with opiates. Nubain used to be the most popular, especially during contest prep, but most people graduate from the "bain" and move onto roxicodone/hydrocodone/etc and eventually morphine or dilaudid. I remember talking to one guy in specific who was very big on the opiates and would inject them IV numerous times throughout the day to function. He told me something to the extent of "I'm already sticking needles in my body 10 or more times per day, what does another few injections matter?" 7. Ketamine - most popular as a party drug but very big during contest prep. Do the drug dosages - and types of drugs - a lot of guys find they need a mental escape during contest prep and falling into a "k hole" often does the trick. 8. Marijuana - Most top pros do not have a job so it is not a problem to smoke marijuana prior to almost every meal for obvious reasons, appetite stimulation and mild sedation. [/quote] none of these fucks are healthy honestly they should be looked upon with awe for actually managing to function on a day to day basis [editline]15th August 2013[/editline] i can definitely confirm the inability to get solid sleep on trenbolone and I was using pussy dosages compared to what these guys will be taking in their contest prep Had to get a fucking anti-histamine that makes you drowsy, cant remember whats called. Starts with a P