Steroids thread v2: haha im so jacke- oh god there is milk leaking out of my nipple help - General

Not all of them use copious amounts of narcotics. Sure, bodybuilding is rife with narcotics, but an interview with a guy saying, "hurr we all use this shit," is outright stupid. 1. Benzos? Really? Plenty of people deal with high doses of tren just fine. It's ridiculous to say they all use benzos just so they don't freak out, that shit is just stupid. 2. There's plenty of sleeping aids that don't impair your health. Melatonin, prami, etc. And like he said, GH makes you sleepy, especially pharmaceutical grade. I trained MMA with a guy who uses Serostim (he made a few contacts overseas when he was in the military) and that fucker can practically fall asleep standing up after he injects. 3. GHB is not that commonly used by high level bodybuilders. It's more popular amongst the fitness model/internet celebrity crowd. Zyzz, for example, used GHB every night. Guys like Dexter Jackson and Dorian Yates never touched the shit. 4. Amphetamines are very popular but at the same time, they aren't. While they do thin the skin, they also take away some of the 3-dimensional look and fullness in muscles. Adam Charlton is a great example since he's one of the most hardcore amphetamine abusers in the industry right now. The guy has size, but he will never ever ever be a true bodybuilder. It's why he has that full look that makes him look jacked as fuck but at the same time, something is "off" about his physique. Munzer actually suffered from the same thing. Lean and dry as shit, but it just looks off. Compare the picture of Munzer to Jackson and Jackson just looks so much more full and 3-dimensional. Amphetamines are a very likely culprit. 5. Just stupid. Nothing more water intake or huge doses of taurine can't fix. I've trained with a lot of guys, some of them who competed in high level shows, and none of them have ever mentioned taking muscle relaxers for cramping/pumps. 6. Once again, this is just a junkie thing. I have never heard of a guy on mountains of gear being in chronic pain. Especially if pharma GH is in the mix, that shit makes you feel great. If joints get achy, they slip some deca into their stack. Generic GH can make your hands hurt like fuck due to water retention, but most guys aren't enough of a fucknut to use generic GH. Bostol Lloyd talks about being in pain all the time when he tried to enlist the help of a hardcore trainer, but he was using generic GH. 7. Complete bullshit. "Durr most guys use it cause it's relaxing." Dumb. Once again, I've never heard of anyone using this. 8. Doesn't negatively impact your health. I'm preparing for a show in November and getting contest prep advice from experienced guys both in person and online, laying out drug protocols down to a T, and nobody has mentioned narcotics. In fact, they all have said to stay away from narcotics. Narcotics are seen as the easy way out in bodybuilding, but not only that, they severely limit you. You can get away with using narcotics to sleep and whatnot up to a certain point, but as I talked about in the amphetamine section, they will eventually be what holds you back from competing at higher levels. I didn't get a lick of sleep when I ran tren, but I just dealt with it. You grow regardless. I don't need any form of prolactin control since my source has badass pure tren, but I will be taking prami during contest prep because why the fuck not. Better sleep, multiple orgasms, increased natural GH release, it's a great drug. Top level guys should be admired for their mental fortitude. It takes godlike willpower to train with GH in your blood, even if you use a stimulant like ephedra or any of the other beta-agonists to wake up. Watch guys like that train for real (not in photoshoots) and they are moving around like zombies, because they're fucking tired. But they get themselves to do it anyways without using a fuckton of meth to get going. I'm sure plenty of them love their cocaine and other stims to get going and whatnot, I'm not saying all top-level bodybuilders stay away from narcotics (obviously insn't the case) but they definitely don't use every narcotic under the sun like that article says. But at the same time, they use enough to fuck with their physiques. The top level guys look like shit compared to the guys in the Ronnie/Yates era. Ronnie would crush every guy in Mr. O right now. Hell, Levrone would probably crush them too. Heath is too narrow and absuses the ever living fuck out of slin, which is ruining his physique. Kai has size but always fucks with his conditioning and comes in wet. Jay is getting old and can't compete as far as size goes (he looks good in his training videos this year, might show up with a physique that can actually compete). Big Ramy is getting there, he's a pureblood student of GH15. Dude has the backing of both oil tycoons and government officials, his physique screams kigs. But he's not quite there yet as far as muscle quality goes, and the politics of Mr. O means he isn't going to win for a few years anyways (Nasser dominated Dorian one year and he didn't win because he was Arab). Ramy is an interesting dude. Looks like he's actually enjoying training and always has a smile on his face, if anyone on the Mr. O stage isn't using narcotics it's Big Ramy.

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lolwut, steroids are legal to own and use [editline]19th August 2013[/editline] is this morse code

oh shit i forgot, quick delt thred befor the cyber police see it!! oh fuck o fuck

[QUOTE=Ryz0;41895695]oh shit i forgot, quick delt thred befor the cyber police see it!! oh fuck o fuck[/QUOTE] you just got busted muffer ducker

What chance is there that aromasin will get rid of my pubertal gyno because I've read a lot of success stories online and im not even going to think of using letrozole

[QUOTE=Lemonator;41970926]What chance is there that aromasin will get rid of my pubertal gyno because I've read a lot of success stories online and im not even going to think of using letrozole[/QUOTE] Good? IDK nigga, have no idea how bad your gyno is. TBH tamoxifen is a far more applicable drug for gyno treatment.

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;41972176]Good? IDK nigga, have no idea how bad your gyno is. TBH tamoxifen is a far more applicable drug for gyno treatment.[/QUOTE] what sides should I expect from aromasin breh

None really. The only thing you have to watch out for with AI's is using them too much and crashing your estrogen. Aromasin is a risk/reward sort of thing in that sense. It's a suicide inhibitor, so it actually "kills" receptors, meaning your body has to replace them. The process takes a handful of days, which means when you use aromasin, there's no risk of a "rebound" when you stop taking it. With other drugs like letro and whatnot, you risk your estrogen spiking when you stop using them as your body over-compensates. It can't over-compensate if the receptors aren't there. What this also means, however, is if you crash your estrogen on aromasin, it means you're going to have crashed estro for a week or so. Whereas crashing it with letro/adex/whatever means having a broken dick for a day or two, with aromasin it means having a broken dick for possibly over a week. That being said, it's pretty tough to crash estro with aromasin unless you're really trying (letro is pretty notorious for cashing estro since it's powerful as fuck). Taking something like 25mg or every other day when running a baby dose of gear like 250mg of test or something is full retard. The rule of thumb with AI's is don't use them unless you need them. If you aren't bloating like fuck or feeling itchy nips, there's no reason to use them at all. Follow that rule and you won't crash your estro. If you aren't using gear at all, nolva is a better bet since there is zero risk of it crashing your estro whatsoever. It pretty much just blocks the receptors in your nipples, but leaves the estrogen running around in your body. Using AI's by themselves still fucks with your HPTA.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;42006924]None really. The only thing you have to watch out for with AI's is using them too much and crashing your estrogen. Aromasin is a risk/reward sort of thing in that sense. It's a suicide inhibitor, so it actually "kills" receptors, meaning your body has to replace them. The process takes a handful of days, which means when you use aromasin, there's no risk of a "rebound" when you stop taking it. With other drugs like letro and whatnot, you risk your estrogen spiking when you stop using them as your body over-compensates. It can't over-compensate if the receptors aren't there. What this also means, however, is if you crash your estrogen on aromasin, it means you're going to have crashed estro for a week or so. Whereas crashing it with letro/adex/whatever means having a broken dick for a day or two, with aromasin it means having a broken dick for possibly over a week. That being said, it's pretty tough to crash estro with aromasin unless you're really trying (letro is pretty notorious for cashing estro since it's powerful as fuck). Taking something like 25mg or every other day when running a baby dose of gear like 250mg of test or something is full retard. The rule of thumb with AI's is don't use them unless you need them. If you aren't bloating like fuck or feeling itchy nips, there's no reason to use them at all. Follow that rule and you won't crash your estro. If you aren't using gear at all, nolva is a better bet since there is zero risk of it crashing your estro whatsoever. It pretty much just blocks the receptors in your nipples, but leaves the estrogen running around in your body. Using AI's by themselves still fucks with your HPTA.[/QUOTE] Would clomid work as an alternative for nolva, can't afford a new SERM since I just spent 70 on aromasin and my bruh has a decent supply of clomid available

As far as I know clomid doesn't do much at all as far as helping with gyno. I have never heard of someone using it to combat gyno. Nolva is dirt cheap, you should be able to find it without spending much money.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;42016336]As far as I know clomid doesn't do much at all as far as helping with gyno. I have never heard of someone using it to combat gyno. Nolva is dirt cheap, you should be able to find it without spending much money.[/QUOTE] Would at least trying clomid potentially give me results because it's available and I can probably get around 10-15 tabs for literal pocket change and I'm poverty broke to even get 40 dollars worth of nolva currently taking 50mg aromasin every day without gear, don't care if my estrogen levels are fucked at this point, I just want my gyno gone (I've read a lot of success stories from aromasin curing pubertal gyno quickly, was debating either getting nolva or aromasin and chose aromasin last minute)

stop taking 50mg you silly shit It does barely anything more than the 25mg dose. Waste of money. Nolva wouldve been the smarter and more effective choice.

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;42018062]stop taking 50mg you silly shit It does barely anything more than the 25mg dose. Waste of money. Nolva wouldve been the smarter and more effective choice.[/QUOTE] Would liquid nolva work just as well because I might as well spend another 70 on that and keep the aromasin for my first actual cycle

[QUOTE=Lemonator;42018128]Would liquid nolva work just as well[/QUOTE] as long as its the same drug and the same dosage, yeah why not You may as well keep running the aromasin for now

40 bucks of nolva should be a solid 4-6 weeks worth. 50mg of aromasin a day what the fuck. How long have you been doing that? If your dick isn't broken as all fuck then it's bunk aromasin (which is probably the case, since aromasin is faked a lot). Most guys on gear only use 12.5mg to 25mg every other day, and they have large amounts of hormones in their system. 50mg a day as a natural should kill your estrogen almost immediately, if your dick is still working then you bought sugar pills.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;42019983]40 bucks of nolva should be a solid 4-6 weeks worth. 50mg of aromasin a day what the fuck. How long have you been doing that? If your dick isn't broken as all fuck then it's bunk aromasin (which is probably the case, since aromasin is faked a lot). Most guys on gear only use 12.5mg to 25mg every other day, and they have large amounts of hormones in their system. 50mg a day as a natural should kill your estrogen almost immediately, if your dick is still working then you bought sugar pills.[/QUOTE] [img]http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/88/12/5951/F1.medium.gif[/img] for w/e reason 50mg seems to have barely any more effect than 25mg in men, as to whether that holds true over a longer period of time I have no idea, but this is a 10 day dosing and I see no reason to believe it should. But its prob underdosed anyway, liquid aromasin is almost always underdosed or just relabelled arimidex. cocksuckers

Hell, even capped aromasin tends to be bunk as tits. Even from reputable sources. Pretty much, if you aren't getting it straight from a pharmacy, shit is gonna be bunk or underdosed to hell. Yesssss tren is in my blood again. I missed you friend.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;42019983]40 bucks of nolva should be a solid 4-6 weeks worth. 50mg of aromasin a day what the fuck. How long have you been doing that? If your dick isn't broken as all fuck then it's bunk aromasin (which is probably the case, since aromasin is faked a lot). Most guys on gear only use 12.5mg to 25mg every other day, and they have large amounts of hormones in their system. 50mg a day as a natural should kill your estrogen almost immediately, if your dick is still working then you bought sugar pills.[/QUOTE] Gyno seems like it shrunk slightly (might be placebo) when I woke up today and I only took the 50mg for one day, dick works fine

If you've only taken it for one day then it's extremely unlikely the gyno has shrank in any noticeable degree. Gyno does not happen overnight, nor does it go away overnight. Especially pubertal gyno, that takes much longer to go away than recently formed gyno from hormone usage.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;42025873] Yesssss tren is in my blood again. I missed you friend.[/QUOTE] I found a bit of leftover tren while digging through my shit, so i decided to run it again for however long it lasted because why the fuck not. 2 weeks in on a low dose and my head is already getting itchy lmao goodbye hair

I don't lose hair (as far as I know) on tren, but it stops growing. My hair normally grows fast as shit, the entire time I ran tren quite a while ago, people were like, "wtf why did your hair stop growing." Beard and hair everywhere else blasts out of my body though. I'm running it at 100mg a day, with 100mg mast EOD and 50mg test prop EOD. Dat tren/test ratio.

i want to run tren next but i know fuck all about it and i know its got strong strong sides [editline]31st August 2013[/editline] at least from what ive read/heard

The sides tend to be exaggerated and not everyone experiences all of them. Most people experience the insomnia. It can suck some serious balls. You grow either way, but not getting your sleep in can make you irritable. A lot of people talk about becoming an irritable asshole on tren, which sure, it can make some people more aggressive, but I'm willing to bet a major part of their irritability is from the lack of sleep. I take prami when I run tren, not to control prolactin or whatever (pure tren source masterrace) but because it makes me sleep like a baby. Never really saw any shortening of temper until I tried tren base and wanted to murder everyone. But you can go your whole life without using tren base and do just fine. Hair loss can be a problem for some. Some guys lose their hair, some guys (like me) just have it stop growing. I definitely see a difference in body/facial hair when using tren though, it all comes in a lot thicker. The prolactin gyno is a myth. Tren cannot cause prolactin gyno at all, ever. The myth stems from sources cutting their tren with NPP, which can cause that. Some sources cut it with test prop (AKA: the really shitty ones) so people get bloated and whatnot wondering why tren isn't drying them out, it's because they're shooting up whatever dose of test prop alongside what is basically more test prop. Tren cough sucks balls but it isn't a near-death experience every time. I've gotten it 3 times or so, only one had me coughing my lungs out onto the bathroom floor. The others were just coughing fits like when you take a huge hit from a bong and cough for a minute or two, imagine that with a metallic taste in your mouth and you get what tren cough is normally like. Tren can't cause any sides that are drastic and fuck you up. You will never be thinking, "OH MY GOD GET THIS OUT OF MY BODY RIGHT NOW." The sides are moreso a nuisance that can build up and annoy you. Like the lack of sleep. Perfectly tolerable for a few weeks by most people, but they eventually get fed up with that shit. I personally don't sleep much in the first place so it's not a big difference. Then you have annoying shits like insane shin pumps if you're on high doses and walk around a lot. But there is no side it causes that just makes you flip shit and ruins you forever, tren sides are not "dangerous," they just require a degree of mental resolve to deal with for long periods of time.

I have a friend on gear who told me when he cycles off, he loses the shit he gained, does this have some validity or he's bad at life.

[QUOTE=Heigou;42033478]I have a friend on gear who told me when he cycles off, he loses the shit he gained, does this have some validity or he's bad at life.[/QUOTE] Comes down to two things mainly: 1. Most people's PCT is only SERMs which do sweet fuck all really in terms of removing the real roadblock to recovery (which is the testes not responding to the LH signal) so they are left with shitty androgen levels for a good 18-20 weeks. With HCG you can be back to good T levels in as little as 2 weeks. 2. Almost every single dude roiding seriously overestimates just how much of his gains are actually muscle tissue. A good deal of your gains are increased glycogen and water storage in the muscle tissue. All steroids do this, even the supposedly "dry" compounds. all in all, muscle takes a long ass time to build even with steroids. The initial size people gain on the first few weeks of their cycle is mostly water and glycogen which can rapidly increase. Technically they ARE bigger and technically they ARE getting smaller when they come off, but its usually not actual *tissue* that is gained and lost so rapidly. [editline]31st August 2013[/editline] but yeah ur friend is probably bad at life

lol @ like 85 percent of people on ph's. my roomate uses them, still looks like complete shit and still pretty weak. i feel like most people who use them don't understand that there basically sterons. natty4lyfecrew

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=M69dABYbeME[/video] I dunno why neither media tags or video tags ever work for me.

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;42034647]Comes down to two things mainly: 1. Most people's PCT is only SERMs which do sweet fuck all really in terms of removing the real roadblock to recovery (which is the testes not responding to the LH signal) so they are left with shitty androgen levels for a good 18-20 weeks. With HCG you can be back to good T levels in as little as 2 weeks. 2. Almost every single dude roiding seriously overestimates just how much of his gains are actually muscle tissue. A good deal of your gains are increased glycogen and water storage in the muscle tissue. All steroids do this, even the supposedly "dry" compounds. all in all, muscle takes a long ass time to build even with steroids. The initial size people gain on the first few weeks of their cycle is mostly water and glycogen which can rapidly increase. Technically they ARE bigger and technically they ARE getting smaller when they come off, but its usually not actual *tissue* that is gained and lost so rapidly. [editline]31st August 2013[/editline] but yeah ur friend is probably bad at life[/QUOTE] how many cycles to hit 84kg same bf%(i'm at 78kg right now 12-13%bf) [editline]4th September 2013[/editline] let's say cycles of test only. or maybe you can recommend smth [editline]4th September 2013[/editline] i don't want to go overboard with dosage so i prefer mild stuff

how long is a piece of sting u fuckin cocksucker idk m8 you could do that in one cycle of just test easily.