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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzgrNWMDkhI[/media][/QUOTE]
They used it against sebastopol?
Oh god, my Mom is from there
I remember reading something about a German experiment chamber that involved entire areas coated in lead, where prisoners would be left in the chamber and a machine was turned on and they had heart problems and died within days and stuff like that.
Spooky but incredibly interesting stuff.
I believe I read that nazis were given speed to stay up longer and fight better.
[QUOTE=MendozaMan;32465382][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxeY9aNE_S0[/media]
That's some grade-A PTSD dispensary right there[/QUOTE]
That is the sound of 250 elephants in a room filled with bear traps with a heated iron floor. Jesus, it must've been ridiculously frightening and deafening to be on the receiving end of those explosives.
[QUOTE=t0cketty;32467398]I believe I read that nazis were given speed to stay up longer and fight better.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]World War II
One of the earliest uses of methamphetamine was during World War II, when it was used by Axis and Allied forces.[86] The German and Finnish militaries dispensed it under the trademark name Pervitin. It was widely distributed across rank and division, from elite forces to tank crews and aircraft personnel, with many millions of tablets being distributed throughout the war.[87] From 1942 until his death in 1945, Adolf Hitler may have been given intravenous injections of methamphetamine by his personal physician Theodor Morell. It is possible that it was used to treat Hitler's speculated Parkinson's disease, or that his Parkinson-like symptoms that developed from 1940 onwards resulted from using methamphetamine.[88] In Japan, methamphetamine was sold under the registered trademark of Philopon (ヒロポン hiropon?) by Dainippon Sumitomo Pharma for civilian and military use. As with the rest of the world at the time, the side effects of methamphetamine were not well studied, and regulation was not seen as necessary.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't just the nazi's.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;32465835]I often wonder how the world would look like if the Germans had won the war. Especially the technology. The German scientists were extremely clever, I wonder why. Was it the education, or was it because they got a lot of funds, or perhaps a mix of it?
I mean check the stuff during the end of the war.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgewehr_44[/url] - First modern assault rifle
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zielger%C3%A4t_1229[/url] - Active infrared scope to be used with the Stg 44, similar system fitted on tanks.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262[/url] - First operational jet fighter
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2[/url] - First long range ballistic missile, first thing to ever achieve suborbital spaceflight.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_XXI_U-boat[/url] - First submarine that primary operated submerged. Later influenced post war Soviet and US submarine designs a lot.
And of course a lot more.[/QUOTE]
It seems like they had a weird fucking throw-shit-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks take on science that was aided by the fact that they were desperate and had slave labor.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32468712]Wasn't just the nazi's.[/QUOTE]
as far as I know no Nazis used it
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[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;32468796]It seems like they had a weird fucking throw-shit-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks take on science that was aided by the fact that they were desperate and had slave labor.[/QUOTE]
desperate in what sense?
[QUOTE=Red Toaster;32468934]as far as I know no Nazis used it
[editline]25th September 2011[/editline]
desperate in what sense?[/QUOTE]
I was a bit vague. What I mean is they had a really focused effort on finding better ways to kill people. They knew they had to be ahead technologically.
Geez, if the Nazi's delayed the war for 10 years, and use those for research, they'd probably be controlling the world today.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_human_experimentations#Human_experimentation_and_biological_warfare[/url]
[QUOTE]To determine the treatment of frostbite, prisoners were taken outside in freezing weather and left with exposed arms, periodically drenched with water until frozen solid. The arm was later amputated; the doctor would repeat the process on the victim's upper arm to the shoulder. After both arms were gone, the doctors moved on to the legs until only a head and torso remained. The victim was then used for plague and pathogens experiments.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;32463295]Most of our modern day stealth bombers are based off of Nazi prototypes.
[thumb]http://akropolis.pbworks.com/f/HO_299_Horten_Shigeo.jpg[/thumb]
That's the Horten Ho 299 which was the first flying wing plane that used jet propulsion.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, wasn't it the Messerschmidt Schwalbe?
[QUOTE=Bang2Rights;32469867][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_human_experimentations#Human_experimentation_and_biological_warfare[/url][/QUOTE]
Some things juts cannot be forgiven... And I don't mean anything towards Japan, but the sick fuck who did this deserves to taste his own medicine.
[QUOTE=Maximo13;32469907]Uhh, wasn't it the Messerschmidt Schwalbe?[/QUOTE]
The ME-262 wasn't a flying wing.
And the worst thing is, that dog got immunity.
[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;32469920]The ME-262 wasn't a flying wing.[/QUOTE]
Ah, alright, you meant with an actual wing.
It kind of bothers me that Nazi scientists aren't given "due credit" for much of the scientific knowledge we have today. Not in the sense of "wow, these guys were brilliant, look at how much they figured out!", but in the sense that... well, at the end of the war, the US government (in a very wise move) allotted a lot of resources towards securing as many intellectual minds and property from Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan as they could. It gave the US an enormous scientific/military advantage for reasons already covered in this thread.
The thing is, we know so much more today about the human body because of the experiments conducted by those countries. If we hadn't got hold of all that experimental knowledge (and most of it was destroyed before the end of the war!), we'd be possibly decades behind because it would just take so much longer to learn the same amount via ethical methods. This has never really been acknowledged at large, it's just one of those dirty things that, while unfortunate, we have no choice but to take advantage of.
[QUOTE=StormHammer;32466444]I remember reading something about a German experiment chamber that involved entire areas coated in lead, where prisoners would be left in the chamber and a machine was turned on and they had heart problems and died within days and stuff like that.
Spooky but incredibly interesting stuff.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like Die Glocke to me, but I'm semi-positive that was debunked as a myth.
[QUOTE=Cone;32461390]I heard they wanted to stick a few wings on a tank and just hope it flew away. If that ain't being Orky, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]If you think that's Orky, then look at this.
[img]http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9485/tu288ppsh4101bo0.jpg[/img]
NEEDZ MORE DAKKA!
I am firmly convinced that the Soviets were more Orky than the Germans.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;32465835]I often wonder how the world would look like if the Germans had won the war. Especially the technology. The German scientists were extremely clever, I wonder why. Was it the education, or was it because they got a lot of funds, or perhaps a mix of it?
I mean check the stuff during the end of the war.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgewehr_44[/url] - First modern assault rifle
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zielger%C3%A4t_1229[/url] - Active infrared scope to be used with the Stg 44, similar system fitted on tanks.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262[/url] - First operational jet fighter
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2[/url] - First long range ballistic missile, first thing to ever achieve suborbital spaceflight.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_XXI_U-boat[/url] - First submarine that primary operated submerged. Later influenced post war Soviet and US submarine designs a lot.
And of course a lot more.[/QUOTE]It's worth noting they also lost a lot of smart fellows in the run-up to the war due to some of their more unpleasant policies such as anti-Semitism, anti-intellectualism and such.
[QUOTE=proch;32469696]Geez, if the Nazi's delayed the war for 10 years, and use those for research, they'd probably be controlling the world today.[/QUOTE]That would also have been 10 more years for the Allies to build up their forces.
Man these nebelwerfers make me shit bricks.
[QUOTE=proch;32469696]Geez, if the Nazi's delayed the war for 10 years, and use those for research, they'd probably be controlling the world today.[/QUOTE]
I doubt Hitler could have been so patient. If it weren't for peace efforts, he would have just invaded the... Czech Republic, was it? Something like that. So he would have invaded and been utterly pwnt because his forces hadn't recovered from WW1. So, ironically, in a way Chamberlain kind of caused WW2.
Gentlemen, the Panzer VIII Maus, which is the closest the Nazis ever came to building one of their fabled super-tanks (Aside from those massive railway guns and artillery platforms).
[img]http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/groups/1/3/2074/thumb_620x2000/pzX019.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/maus_1.jpg[/img]
[quote]Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus was a German World War II super-heavy tank completed in late 1944. It is the heaviest fully enclosed armoured fighting vehicle ever built. Only one complete prototype was built before the testing grounds were captured by the advancing Soviet forces.
That single complete prototype unit underwent trials in late 1944. It was 10.2 metres (33 ft 6 in) long, 3.71 metres (12 ft 2 in) wide and 3.63 metres (11.9 ft) tall. Weighing 200 metric tons, the Maus's main armament was a 128 mm KwK 44 gun (55 calibers long barrel), based on the 12.8 cm Pak 44 anti-tank artillery piece, with a coaxial 75 mm gun. The 128 mm gun was powerful enough to destroy all enemy armored fighting vehicles at close or middle ranges, and even some at ranges exceeding 3500 meters.[/quote]
Keep in mind that the Maus' secondary gun is the same caliber as most light tanks' main gun.
[img]http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/maus/fig0_german_superheavy_tank_mouse_maus_sideview.jpg[/img]
[quote]Hitler's obsession with heavy tanks reached its zenith with the design of the Panzer VIII Maus. What is clear is that the time and energy spent on designing and producing these behemoths wasted a vast amount of precious design and production effort, which Nazi Germany could ill afford to spare. Heinz Guderian described the Maus as "this gigantic offspring of the fantasy of Hitler and his advisors."[/quote]
[img]http://i.somethingawful.com/inserts/news/images/08-2003/08-25-2003-rattecomparison.gif[/img]
[quote]The working Maus prototypes remained at Kummersdorf and at the proving grounds in Böblingen. In the last weeks of the war the V1 with the dummy turret was captured by the advancing Soviet forces in the vicinity of the western batteries of the Kummersdorf artillery firing grounds. It had been thought to be mechanically sabotaged by the Germans before abandoning it. Some sources state that the Panzerkampfwagen VIII saw combat while defending the facility at Kummersdorf, although the popular version is that it did not.
The Soviet Commander of Armored and Mechanized troops ordered the hull of V1 to be mated with the turret of V2. The Soviets used six 18t German half-tracks to pull the 55 ton turret off the burnt-out hull. The combined V1 hull/V2 turret vehicle was completed in Germany and sent back to the USSR for further testing. It arrived there on May 4, 1946. When further testing was completed the vehicle was taken over by the Kubinka Tank Museum for storage where it is now on display.[/quote]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Metro-maus1.jpg[/img]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus[/url]
[url]http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerkampfwagen-viii-maus-porsche-typ-205-tiger-iip.htm[/url]
Although the Nazi politicians were dumb and fucked up, you have to give their scientists some credit.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;32470105]If you think that's Orky, then look at this.
[img]http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9485/tu288ppsh4101bo0.jpg[/img]
NEEDZ MORE DAKKA![/QUOTE]
At first, I thought there were some kind of communication thing but then my mind was blown.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32471073]Although the Nazi politicians were dumb and fucked up, you have to give their scientists some credit.[/QUOTE]
Eh. When you remove ethical constraints, you're bound to discover something useful. I doubt they were really as intelligent as their track record would show.
I forgot about the Goliath tracked mine. Basically, it was a miniature tank laden with up to 100 kilograms worth of explosives that the Germans would operate with a remote control.
[IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/2gtot9w.jpg[/IMG]
With a range of up to 650 meters, it was a hearty tankbusting weapon that could be hidden easily and used effectively. The only downside was the cost to produce them, which is why they were abandoned shortly before the war ended. Still, more than 7,500 were produced and used with great success. They were also used to destroy buildings and structures such as bridges, and were later adopted to destroy massed infantry formations- a tactic which was mainly reserved for the Eastern Front campaign.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpwV0OYg1J4[/media]
[QUOTE=Kalibos2;32469989]It kind of bothers me that Nazi scientists aren't given "due credit" for much of the scientific knowledge we have today. Not in the sense of "wow, these guys were brilliant, look at how much they figured out!", but in the sense that... well, at the end of the war, the US government (in a very wise move) allotted a lot of resources towards securing as many intellectual minds and property from Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan as they could. It gave the US an enormous scientific/military advantage for reasons already covered in this thread.
The thing is, we know so much more today about the human body because of the experiments conducted by those countries. If we hadn't got hold of all that experimental knowledge (and most of it was destroyed before the end of the war!), we'd be possibly decades behind because it would just take so much longer to learn the same amount via ethical methods. This has never really been acknowledged at large, it's just one of those dirty things that, while unfortunate, we have no choice but to take advantage of.[/QUOTE]
You bring up a good point there actually, i do see it that way now.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;32465835]I often wonder how the world would look like if the Germans had won the war. Especially the technology. The German scientists were extremely clever, I wonder why. Was it the education, or was it because they got a lot of funds, or perhaps a mix of it?
I mean check the stuff during the end of the war.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgewehr_44[/url] - First modern assault rifle
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zielger%C3%A4t_1229[/url] - Active infrared scope to be used with the Stg 44, similar system fitted on tanks.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262[/url] - First operational jet fighter
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2[/url] - First long range ballistic missile, first thing to ever achieve suborbital spaceflight.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_XXI_U-boat[/url] - First submarine that primary operated submerged. Later influenced post war Soviet and US submarine designs a lot.
And of course a lot more.[/QUOTE]
This is mostly correct, except for the Assault Rifle part. The STG44 was far from the first assault rifle. In fact, the Russians should get credit for that, with the Federov Avtomat.
[quote=wikipedia]The Fedorov Avtomat (Russian: Автомат Фёдорова) was an early assault rifle designed by Vladimir Grigoryevich Fedorov and produced in Russia in 1916. It was the first practical assault rifle to be adopted, and this concept would later become the basis for the first assault rifle to incorporate a modern layout, the StG 44. A total of 3,200 Fedorov rifles were manufactured between 1915 and 1924 in the city of Kovrov. In 1919, after 500 had been built, production was increased. The weapon saw combat in World War I in 1916[1], in the Russian Civil War, and later in the Winter War with Finland in 1940, when some were withdrawn from storage and issued to elite units of the Red Army. The Fedorov Avtomat is considered to be an early predecessor to the modern assault rifle, due to its relatively light weight, large detachable magazine, intermediate powered cartridge and selective fire capabilities.[2][/quote]
[QUOTE=augmented18;32460710][URL=http://filesmelt.com/][IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/850111136.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/QUOTE]
"Granpa, what is that?"
"Why, its a photo of my days as a scientist. We were trying to put the head of a dog in a mechanical body. A dog just like the one you have now! Cool huh?"
Ontopic: not a nazi experiment, but pretty weird and fucked up. At least I know I would be if I saw the stuff they saw and did with my own eyes. Funny robot though.
The ice ship. The unsinkable ship and aircraft carrier planned by the British.
The mythbusters covered it and there's been a docu on it where they tried to recreate the experiments.
[url]http://www.combinedops.com/Pykrete.htm[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk[/url]
[img]http://www.goodeveca.net/CFGoodeve/Habakkuk.jpg[/img]
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