Nazi experiments/groups and the like - General

[QUOTE=Kopimi;32490391]USA.. USA.. USA..[/QUOTE] They were some smart motherfuckers. The knowledge they had was useful, but obtained through horrific means - if the knowledge they held was lost when they were executed, those experiments would have had to be conducted again if they wanted to know the results. Are you srsly suggesting that?

[QUOTE=ragawaga;32458786]I've always wondered what type of experiments the Nazis actually carried out, and i really want to learn/know. Not in a sadistic 'i'm going to do it' way, it just interests me. Like I've heard stuff about Nazis having mysterious groups and places etc in which they would carry out top secret shit, and or unspeakable things. Sorry if i come across as a total idiot, im just really curious, if someone could enlighten me on the subject of experiments/groups the Nazis had, i'd really appreciate it[/QUOTE] Ok here's one that was tested. Fluoride was put in the water supply to sedate their prisoners. This was successfully achieved by the Nazis. Today, Fluoride is added to our water supply for the same reason. Want an example of a nazi experiment? You're in one ;p

Talking about National Socialist groups and whatnot, the story about Operation [i]Werwolf[/i] hasn't been told here yet it seems. Basically, the plan started development after the failed July 20th attempt on Hitler's life, following the Allied landings in Normandy a month earlier combined with the mass retreats on the Eastern Front. Though the Allies and the Soviets had taken massive casualties at the hands of the Germans, it was fairly evident that if Germany didn't lose the war, they'd be pushed back far enough that they'd be fighting on their own territory. With that in mind, it seemed like a good idea to create an insurgency to fight against the Allies and the Soviets in what areas of Germany they occupied. It was the creation of Otto Skorzeny. [i]Obersturmbannführer[/i] Otto Skorzeny. [IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/2dj70ox.jpg[/IMG] Skorzeny was considered by his own ilk to be... unconventional. Highly unconventional. As in while there was lots of fighting going on in the background, he was waging his own little war of deception, misinformation, and sinister shit. Skorzeny had previously been sent to the 1943 Tehran Conference along with a bunch of Fallschirmjägers to blow up Churchill, Stalin, and Roosevelt; before that, he'd been leading partisan operations there in Iran. He'd rescued Benito Mussolini from his own Italian people and the Allies, spearheaded a raid to kill a fuckton of Tito's partisans (which succeeded, unless you somehow reckon 6,000 dead partisans isn't a lot), and had kidnapped the son of Hungarian Regent Admiral Miklós Horthy. Skorzeny chilling with Mussolini following the rescue operation: [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-567-1503C-15%2C_Gran_Sasso%2C_Mussolini_vor_Hotel.jpg[/img] So he submitted his idea to Reich Minister of Propaganda Joseph Gobbels, who then submitted the idea to Hitler himself. Then he (Skorzeny) went off to fight the Americans covertly in Operation Greif during the Battle of the Bulge (you've probably heard of it; when a bunch of German paratroopers who spoke perfect English and knew more about the United States than most Americans were dropped behind their lines in American military uniforms to spread a bunch of misinformation, gather information, and sabotage whatever they could get their hands on; which caused the Allies to get really paranoid and assume there were spies and saboteurs everywhere, a lot like TF2). They did a lot of damage. As you can see here, they even successfully managed to disguise one of their own StuGGs as an American tank destroyer. [img]http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/crossfire/scenarios/malmedy/images/malmedy_StuGIII.jpg[/img] The idea was shelved, although Heinrich Himmler, who had picked up on it, decided to organize about 200 men to get the basics worked out for it ahead of time- assuming that it would actually be used. In March 1945, when all hope of winning the war or at least locking it in a stalemate was lost, it was brought back into the spotlight. Goebbels pulled the idea out and decided that it was time to implement it as a propaganda tool. Through radio broadcasts, he convinced much of the German populace that [i]Werwolf[/i] was a secret partisan group fighting the Allies and Soviets with whatever weapons it could confiscate (not much different in nature from actual groups the Germans had encountered during their military tour of most of Europe and part of Asia). In reality, the group didn't even exist yet, and it wasn't intended to be a partisan group; it was actually supposed to be a sophisticated military operation consisting of elite commandos... Skorzeny among them. The [i]Werwolf[/i] pennant: [IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/i2uioz.jpg[/IMG] But the idea was never officially endorsed by the Nazi leadership as an actual military operation, so it was only used for propaganda. The keyword being officially. Obergruppenführer Hans-Adolf Prützmann had been selected by Himmler in autumn 1944 to begin organizing the operation. And, meanwhile, that's exactly what he'd been doing. [IMG]http://i51.tinypic.com/kbsv38.jpg[/IMG] Because, as it was later revealed, Himmler had actually already initiated the operation, back in summer 1944. Oh- and he'd named Prützmann "General Inspector of Special Defences" and told him to set up his headquarters in Berlin. Which he was more than qualified for the job, considering the extensive amount of research he'd done on partisans in the Soviet Union and France... so extensive that his purges of them in the Ukraine could count as extra credit. Prützmann had Gauleiters (local NSDAP party leaders) recommend recruits to him for the operation. They were expected to be hard-line Nazis in fit physical and mental condition. The rest (tactics, weapons handling, etc.) would be taught to them at Hülchrath Castle in the town of Erkelenz in the Rhineland. [IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/9zu6hk.jpg[/IMG] Now, back to March 1945. At this time, Prützmann had 200 recruits. Training covered everything from sniping to arson and sabotage, even creating homemade explosives and setting up ambushes. Every member was also required to learn various methods by which sentries could be strangled, using everything from bare hands to wires. The organization was supposed to have silencers, flame-proof clothing, and a bunch of other very advanced equipment at their disposal, but this never came to fruition- so they made due with whatever they could get. Unfortunately, most were not battle-hardened commandos as was originally intended; most were very young and eager members of the Hitler Youth. [IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/2qu7pc6.jpg[/IMG] The only thing they'd actually accomplished was the murder of Dr. Franz Oppenhoff, the mayor of Aachen, late at night on March 25th. Oppenhoff was labeled a traitor and collaborator following his actions when the Americans occupied his city and was targeted for elimination by Himmler. [IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/2rfg4ko.jpg[/IMG] Oh- and they'd murdered a Belgian border guard on the same mission. However, they found success a few days later. On March 31st, Major General Maurice Rose, commander of the United States 3rd Armored Division, was ambushed and killed after he was shot in the head by members of [i]Werwolf[/i], supported by regular troops and a Tiger tank, a few miles south of the city of Paderborn. [img]http://www.veterantributes.org/Photos/MauriceRose.jpg[/img] By April 1945, around a total of 5,000 members had been recruited into [i]Werwolf[/i]. Pretty dramatic increase; most were, again, however, from the Hitler Youth, but a number of SS members had joined, too. As Berlin gradually became encircled, a number of front companies were improvisationally created. These companies buried explosives, hid ammunition and weapons, and fought as guerrillas for as long as they could. Following Hitler's suicide and Germany's subsequent surrender, I mean. And, at the time, they did very well. However, within 8 months, most had given up, been eradicated, or simply broken apart from one another. The companies were so disorganized and the situation was so desperate and terrifying that most had absolutely no idea where the weapons and ammunition they'd buried were even at, so they couldn't continue fighting. Then there was the issue that, even if they did know where to find weapons and ammunition, the quantities that had been buried were prohibitively low. While most of the front companies were gone, not all were. Field Marshal Montgomery's liaison officer, Major John Poston, was murdered by members of [i]Werwolf[/i] a few days before Germany's surrender in an ambush. The United States Military Government's police headquarters in Bremen was blown up by a few loyal members on June 5th. A total of 44 people were killed. The official story given at the time claimed that unexploded ordinance was to blame. Nine days later, Soviet Colonel-General Nikolai Berzarin died under mysterious circumstances following a motorcycle accident. [IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/21b5ba9.jpg[/IMG] On July 31st, an explosion occurred at an ammunition dump in the Sudetenland city of Aussig that killed 27 Czechs. Following this, ethnic Germans living in the city were massacred in four different areas. As many as 2,700 perished. The Czech government established an investigation led by General Ludvík Svoboda. Though the reason for the explosion was not discovered, members of [i]Werwolf[/i] were caught and confessed responsibility. [IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/2ivy1sj.jpg[/IMG] A raid in March 1946 captured 80 former German officers who were self-confessed members of the operation, and who additionally had in their possession a list of 400 people that were to be murdered- including Prime Minister of Bavaria Wilhelm Hoegner. Caches of ammunition and even anti-tank rockets were also seized. A subsequent organization developed out of all this, dubbed the Edelweißpiraten (Edelweiss Pirates). They'd been around briefly before World War II, and hadn't been particularly friendly with the Nazis, so they'd "disappeared" for a while. Basically, they just consisted of drifters and old soldiers who'd thrown in their lot and wanted to come together again to revive National Socialism and keep the memory of Hitler and the Third Reich alive. By that time, they were considered a more prudent threat to rebuilding operations than [i]Werwolf[/i], so it fizzled and died away. Still, it makes for a moderately entertaining story. [editline]26th September 2011[/editline] Prützmann shot himself after he was arrested by the Allies on May 21, 1945. He was 43. Skorzeny went on to work with ODESSA and then founded/worked with several Nazi-sympathetic organizations, including Die Spinne, CEDADE, and the Paladin Group. He traveled the world all the while, then finally settled down and lived peacefully in Madrid, Spain until his death from cancer on July 5, 1975. He was 67. And everybody knows what happened to Himmler, Hitler, and Goebbels.

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;32494467][IMG]http://i51.tinypic.com/kbsv38.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Those eyes They stare into my soul

Yesterday I've watched the movie "The Pianist"... haven't seen it before, pretty damn good (and in some parts, a little hard to watch) movie.

That die glocke facility, are some areas still sealed off today? You'd think with the potential technology we could find in there, there would have been some attempts to open it up.

[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;32502658]That die glocke facility, are some areas still sealed off today? You'd think with the potential technology we could find in there, there would have been some attempts to open it up.[/QUOTE] Der Riese. And I think some are still blocked off. There were separate facility complexes that were spread out but remained somewhat close together. [IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/e6x2bs.jpg[/IMG] Some of them still have artifacts inside, from guns to metal casings and trolleys and whatnot. [IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/28uqvt4.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i51.tinypic.com/317jt6f.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/10863vc.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/fdrsxl.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/11b2hqg.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/deur2w.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/kb96jl.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/qxpcpd.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/dym39s.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/2mhif0i.jpg[/IMG] They were also building something at Książ Castle for part of the project. [IMG]http://i51.tinypic.com/121wd2g.jpg[/IMG]

This thread is painfully interesting.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;32472168]This is mostly correct, except for the Assault Rifle part. The STG44 was far from the first assault rifle. In fact, the Russians should get credit for that, with the Federov Avtomat.[/QUOTE] The Mauser Selbstlade Karabiner had the Avtomat beat by several years in design and service. [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/x5a92a.jpg[/IMG] The Germans had built Mondragón rifles for the Mexicans from 1900 to 1910, as per their specifications. There was the 8-round rifle variant and the 20-round light machine gun variant. The LMG design the Mexicans had issued to the Germans, however, suffered from poor recoil and thus was highly inaccurate. Despite this, it had a hefty amount of stopping power, something the German military was quick to capitalize on. After the Mexicans constructed their own production facilities, they no longer needed the Germans. Consequently, the Germans were stuck with dozens of unused stocks for the Mondragóns. So they built more of the weapons (after modifying them to fire 7x57 Mauser cartridges) and gave them out to their own troops to use as fully-automatic rifles. This variant was dubbed the Mauser Selbstlade Karabiner. Following the outbreak of the Great War, it was noted that the stocks were susceptible to mud and dirt. The weapons were pulled out of frontline service and were issued to aviators in January 1915 with a modified 30-round magazine (two per aircraft). This variant was dubbed the Fliegerselbstlader Karabiner. Eventually, they were abandoned when Parabellums, Dreyses, and Maxims were adopted to be light enough and reliable enough that they could be mounted aboard aircraft.

[QUOTE=augmented18;32460762][CODE]Dr. Josef Mengele, nicknamed The Angel Of Death, and the other Nazi doctors at the death camps tortured men, women and children and did medical experiments of unspeakable horror during the Holocaust. Victims were put into pressure chambers, tested with drugs, castrated, frozen to death. Children were exposed to experimental surgeries performed without anesthesia, transfusions of blood from one to another, isolation endurance, reaction to various stimuli. The doctors made injections with lethal germs, sex change operations, removal of organs and limbs. At Auschwitz Josef Mengele did a number of medical experiments, using twins. These twins as young as five years of age were usually murdered after the experiment was over and their bodies dissected. Mengele injected chemicals into the eyes of the children in an attempt to change their eye color. He carried out twin-to-twin transfusions, stitched twins together, castrated or sterilized twins. Many twins had limbs and organs removed in macabre surgical procedures, performed without using an anesthetic.[/CODE][/QUOTE] I don't think they tortured children. The guy who wrote that is probally a jew, that likes to fill people with propaganda. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Stereotyping jews / General shitposter" - Swebonny))[/highlight]

Regardless of who made it first, the Adolf Hitler himself is responsible for the name "Assault Rifle". Sturmgewehr = Storm Rifle or Assault Rifle.

[QUOTE=Ghost656;32504142]I don't think they tortured children. The guy who wrote that is probally a jew, that likes to fill people with propaganda.[/QUOTE] The Nazis didn't kill innocent people either, oh and the war was caused by the silly jews in all those jew countries!!! THIS POST IS SARCASTIC AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;32504171]Regardless of who made it first, the Adolf Hitler himself is responsible for the name "Assault Rifle". Sturmgewehr = Storm Rifle or Assault Rifle.[/QUOTE] Fun fact, he hated the Stg.44/MP43.

[QUOTE=AnEvilGuy;32504261]Fun fact, he hated the Stg.44/MP43.[/QUOTE] Actually he didn't, though he hated the idea of making a completely new type of ammunition for it, and thus didn't like the weapon. That's why they disguised it's development by calling it the MP44 (Maschinenpistole, or Machine Pistol in English, so he would think it was a new Submachine Gun). When he found out about the weapon and got a chance to see it, he changed his mind and had them rename it StG44 (Sturmgewehr model 1944).

From what I read, he just preferred k98 as he has used it himself, but then some guys "smuggled" it into production as a new smg and dropped them into russia as a last resort for one company. Hitler incidentally asked those those what they wanted more of, when they said MP43s he was confused as he didn't know what weapon that was.

[QUOTE=Ghost656;32504142]I don't think they tortured children. The guy who wrote that is probally a jew, that likes to fill people with propaganda.[/QUOTE] Time to disregard all the experiments performed on child twins.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;32504351]Actually he didn't, though he hated the idea of making a completely new type of ammunition for it, and thus didn't like the weapon. That's why they disguised it's development by calling it the MP44 (Maschinenpistole, or Machine Pistol in English, so he would think it was a new Submachine Gun). When he found out about the weapon and got a chance to see it, he changed his mind and had them rename it StG44 (Sturmgewehr model 1944).[/QUOTE] Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me.

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;32504465]Time to disregard all the experiments performed on child twins.[/QUOTE] Yes, Josef was infamous for his twin fetish. [img]http://www.ushmm.org/lcmedia/photo/lc/image/71/71555.jpg[/img] And also for that funny-looking smile.

I guess that Slayer's "Angel of Death" is based upon Josef Mengele. Jeff Hanneman is a fucked up guy for coming up with these lyrics, although I guess he's not really the fucked one though. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6_zsJ8KPP0[/media] or if you prefer, AndyRehfeldt's "Radio Disney" version of it, with the lyrics much easier to hear: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHo6I_AFCzo[/media]

[QUOTE=proch;32459683]Wait, Bayer? [B]That[/B] Bayer? I'll never look at my pills the same way anymore...[/QUOTE] I am still reading this thread so sorry if someone has already mentioned this, but it is indeed [I]that[/I] Bayer. The same company that also manufactured Zyklon B. If you look up any major German company you will probably find that they did some bad things during WW2. For example Siemens built a lot of stuff for the Nazis, in some cases using slave labour to (apparently) build ovens (and not the small kitchen type). Side note about that, they recently tried to release an oven called Zyklon which prompted some major outrage.

Hugo Boss made SS Uniforms.

[QUOTE=Campin Carl;32505376]Hugo Boss made SS Uniforms.[/QUOTE] Most of which were made out of nettle, or something like that, yes? Some sort of plant or weed that normally stings.

[QUOTE=dcalde78;32504865]I guess that Slayer's "Angel of Death" is based upon Josef Mengele. Jeff Hanneman is a fucked up guy for coming up with these lyrics, although I guess he's not really the fucked one though. [/QUOTE] Yes, they are based on Mengele's experiments

[QUOTE=Ghost656;32504142]I don't think they tortured children. The guy who wrote that is probally a jew, that likes to fill people with propaganda.[/QUOTE] You a fucking nazi or something?

[QUOTE=Ghost656;32504142]I don't think they tortured children. The guy who wrote that is probally a jew, that likes to fill people with propaganda. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Stereotyping jews / General shitposter" - Swebonny))[/highlight][/QUOTE] hahaha look at me i called someone a jew in a nazi related thread i am so funny

[QUOTE=proch;32506716]hahaha look at me i called someone a jew in a nazi related thread i am so funny[/QUOTE] surprised it took 5 pages :o

[QUOTE=dcalde78;32504865]I guess that Slayer's "Angel of Death" is based upon Josef Mengele. Jeff Hanneman is a fucked up guy for coming up with these lyrics, although I guess he's not really the fucked one though. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6_zsJ8KPP0[/media] or if you prefer, AndyRehfeldt's "Radio Disney" version of it, with the lyrics much easier to hear: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHo6I_AFCzo[/media][/QUOTE] Alternative to the alternative, you can read the lyrics. [quote]Auschwitz, the meaning of pain The way that I want you to die Slow death, immense decay Showers that cleanse you of your life Forced in Like cattle You run Stripped of Your life's worth Human mice, for the Angel of Death Four hundred thousand more to die Angel of Death Monarch to the kingdom of the dead Sadistic, surgeon of demise Sadist of the noblest blood Destroying, without mercy To benefit the Aryan race Surgery, with no anesthesia Feel the knife pierce you intensely Inferior, no use to mankind Strapped down screaming out to die Angel of Death Monarch to the kingdom of the dead Infamous butcher, Angel of Death Pumped with fluid, inside your brain Pressure in your skull begins pushing through your eyes Burning flesh, drips away Test of heat burns your skin, your mind starts to boil Frigid cold, cracks your limbs How long can you last In this frozen water burial? Sewn together, joining heads Just a matter of time 'Til you rip yourselves apart Millions laid out in their Crowded tombs Sickening ways to achieve The holocaust Seas of blood, bury life Smell your death as it burns Deep inside of you Abacinate, eyes that bleed Praying for the end of Your wide awake nightmare Wings of pain, reach out for you His face of death staring down, Your blood running cold Injecting cells, dying eyes Feeding on the screams of The mutants he's creating Pathetic harmless victims Left to die Rancid Angel of Death Flying free [LEADS: HANNEMAN, KING, HANNEMAN, KING, HANNEMAN] Angel of Death Monarch to the kingdom of the dead Infamous butcher, Angel of Death[/quote]

[QUOTE=Campin Carl;32505376]Hugo Boss made SS Uniforms.[/QUOTE] Porsche developed the Maus and the Elefant. [img]http://www.actionsoldier.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/elefant_05.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];32482699']the occultism. [/QUOTE] so how close did the nazis come to opening a doorway to hell

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32520373]so how close did the nazis come to opening a doorway to hell[/QUOTE] How close? [B]THEY SUCCEEDED[/B] [img]http://c1913902.r2.cf0.rackcdn.com/2011/08/obama-devil.png[/img]