It must have been a fucked up world to live in back then. I can't belive that they did this stuff no more than 70 years ago. I mean, if someone did something like that today...
[QUOTE=CHRHN;32520443]It must have been a fucked up world to live in back then. I can't belive that they did this stuff no more than 70 years ago. I mean, if someone did something like that today...[/QUOTE]
Governments did horrible stuff to prisoners, mentally ill patients and university students back then, and it's only really stopped in the last few decades.
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Or at least been covered up better, depending on where your tipfoil hatometer is at.
[QUOTE=CHRHN;32520443]It must have been a fucked up world to live in back then. I can't belive that they did this stuff no more than 70 years ago. I mean, if someone did something like that today...[/QUOTE]
Scares me to think about it
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;32504171]Regardless of who made it first, the Adolf Hitler himself is responsible for the name "Assault Rifle".
Sturmgewehr = Storm Rifle or Assault Rifle.[/QUOTE]Who cares? The Soviets made the first true assault rifle. Didn't the Nazis use theirs as a framework for the StG?
[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;32521350]Who cares? The Soviets made the first true assault rifle. Didn't the Nazis use theirs as a framework for the StG?[/QUOTE]
Not really, they borrowed pretty heavily from the MP40.
Fun Fact: Nazi tests at concentration camps helped develop CPR. They needed to keep testing subjects, but due to the brutality of some of the opperations they invented the manuover to recusitate and keep the subjects alive longer.
[QUOTE=Awegner;32521532]Fun Fact: Nazi tests at concentration camps helped develop CPR. They needed to keep testing subjects, but due to the brutality of some of the opperations they invented the manuover to recusitate and keep the subjects alive longer.[/QUOTE]
Fun Fact: That's profoundly untrue.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_CPR[/url]
Besides, it doesn't really make much sense. Why bother with a procedure that only saves 1 in 30 when there are piles more people?
[QUOTE=Contag;32521623]Fun Fact: That's profoundly untrue.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_CPR[/url]
Besides, it doesn't really make much sense. Why bother with a procedure that only saves 1 in 30 when there are piles more people?[/QUOTE]
Basic Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation was practiced in the concentration camps. Dr. Peter Safar refined it though.
[QUOTE=Awegner;32521720]Basic Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation was practiced in the concentration camps. Dr. Peter Safar refined it though.[/QUOTE]
Could you cite that? I'm unable to find anything on it
[QUOTE=Contag;32521750]Could you cite that? I'm unable to find anything on it[/QUOTE]
Its pretty obscure but there are references.
"The 'ABC' method of remembering the correct protocol for CPR is almost as old as the procedure itself, and is an important part of the history of CPR. Throughout history, a variety of differing methods of resuscitation had been attempted and documented,* although most yielded very poor outcomes."
*Ie. The method procured at the camps.
Could'nt find much more on it though.
Has this thing been mentioned yet?
[img]http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2044/focke_achgelis_fa223.gif[/img]
Basically the nazis had a twin engine helicopter, the ''Fa 223'', able to lift entire airplanes and it had a MG15 mounted on the nose, also it could carry way more poeple than other helicopters at it's time.
It was ready for serial production but the main production facility got bombed early on. Designed to be produced at a rate of 400 per month, In the end, the Nazis could assemble a mere fleet of about 20 of these things. The real number of units produced is heavily speculated however.
I didn't even know they had helicopters back then. Learn something new every day
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[QUOTE=Contag;32521508]Not really, they borrowed pretty heavily from the MP40.[/QUOTE]
Well the wiki page says this, it doesn't have a source but it seems plausible enough.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat[/url]
[quote=Wikipedia]It was the first practical assault rifle to be adopted, and this concept would later become the basis for the first assault rifle to incorporate a modern layout, the StG 44.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;32521937]I didn't even know they had helicopters back then. Learn something new every day
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Well the wiki page says this, it doesn't have a source but it seems plausible enough.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat[/url][/QUOTE]
In terms of "large detachable magazine, intermediate powered cartridge and selective fire capabilities.", yes, but not so much internal operating mechanisms.
[QUOTE=Cone;32492771]They were some smart motherfuckers. The knowledge they had was useful, but obtained through horrific means - if the knowledge they held was lost when they were executed, those experiments would have had to be conducted again if they wanted to know the results. Are you srsly suggesting that?[/QUOTE]
They should have taken the results and then prosecuted them rather than cutting a group of war criminals a deal and letting them go free after the horrific experiments they allowed and carried out at that base.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32523899]They should have taken the results and then prosecuted them rather than cutting a group of war criminals a deal and letting them go free after the horrific experiments they allowed and carried out at that base.[/QUOTE]
What of Von Braun, then? We would have barely had a space program had it not been for that man.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;32525220]What of Von Braun, then? We would have barely had a space program had it not been for that man.[/QUOTE]
As far as I know, Von Braun wasn't a war criminal, just a Nazi researcher, so I don't see why we would prosecute him.
Not to mention we actually employed Von Braun, we didn't just take his research like we did with Unit 731 (Probably got the number wrong)
[QUOTE=Bombardier.;32520275]Porsche developed the Maus and the Elefant.
[img]http://www.actionsoldier.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/elefant_05.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
And Fanta was made for Nazis.
Man, war's seeming more and more profitable by the minute.
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;32523899]They should have taken the results and then prosecuted them rather than cutting a group of war criminals a deal and letting them go free after the horrific experiments they allowed and carried out at that base.[/QUOTE]
And who's to say they would want to give away their secrets?
It's easier to cut them a deal and get the research than risk anyone hearing about the horrible interrogation methods the US might be pulling to get them to tell them the results.
I mean, I'd imagine most of them were of the Narcissistic type. If there ain't anything in it for them, then they won't tell.
[QUOTE=Cone;32527296]And Fanta was made for Nazis.
Man, war's seeming more and more profitable by the minute.
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And who's to say they would want to give away their secrets?
It's easier to cut them a deal and get the research than risk anyone hearing about the horrible interrogation methods the US might be pulling to get them to tell them the results.
I mean, I'd imagine most of them were of the Narcissistic type. If there ain't anything in it for them, then they won't tell.[/QUOTE]
"Give us your research and we'll drop any charges for your war crimes"
"Oh ok, there's something in it for us. Here is our research"
"Haha! We lied, you're being executed"
TADAAAAA
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32527668]"Give us your research and we'll drop any charges for your war crimes"
"Oh ok, there's something in it for us. Here is our research"
"Haha! We lied, you're being executed"
TADAAAAA[/QUOTE]
Seems a bit... dirty. Backhanded.
And, besides, that defeats the purpose of not interrogating them. They'd be worried about it getting out - if that gets out, the same thing will happen.
[QUOTE=cheezey;32521859]Has this thing been mentioned yet?
[img]http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2044/focke_achgelis_fa223.gif[/img]
Basically the nazis had a twin engine helicopter, the ''Fa 223'', able to lift entire airplanes and it had a MG15 mounted on the nose, also it could carry way more poeple than other helicopters at it's time.
It was ready for serial production but the main production facility got bombed early on. Designed to be produced at a rate of 400 per month, In the end, the Nazis could assemble a mere fleet of about 20 of these things. The real number of units produced is heavily speculated however.[/QUOTE]
That is fucking boss , in a bad way though D:
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;32504171]Regardless of who made it first, the Adolf Hitler himself is responsible for the name "Assault Rifle".
Sturmgewehr = Storm Rifle or Assault Rifle.[/QUOTE]
When you just need to make sure your sturm's are gweehr'ed just right
[QUOTE=krazipanda;32545140]When you just need to make sure your sturm's are gweehr'ed just right[/QUOTE]
Don't get me started about having to properly schreck those panzers.
[QUOTE=Bombardier.;32545241]Don't get me started about having to properly schreck those panzers.[/QUOTE]
It's all easier when you have a fortified meal of wunderwafles before stugging your stugs.
This whole page reminds me of
[img]http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee179/arfcom556/flammenwerfer.jpg[/img]
Oh god unit 731 soldiers gave candy laced with anthrax to civilian children :(
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;32459401][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZZ504TGDpE[/media][/QUOTE]
Hah...um. That first bit is Pink Floyd.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32520373]so how close did the nazis come to opening a doorway to hell[/QUOTE]
Weren't interested in that.
My understanding is that Hitler's personal religion is based off a warped version of Christianity that incorporates the Aryan race as it was explained by white supremacists in the late 1800s to mid 1900s. The idea was that the Aryans, that is, the Indo-Europeans, were pure humans who survived the sinking of Atlantis and were forced to migrate across the globe, specifically to Europe and India, where they brought their culture and started civilizations superior to the natives of those lands.
Celtic, Norse, Persian, and Dravidian culture derived from the Aryans, and so the Pagan religions were the Aryans'. Jesus was an Aryan, as the son of god would obviously be of perfect humanity (in fact, the folks who thought all this up are the reason we have a white Jesus in the West), and so the evil subhuman Jews who killed Jesus were obviously anti-Aryan. The German people and Scandinavians, being of course of direct descent of the Pagan people of Europe, are the most pure.
Because the Pagan religions were Aryan, Hitler used many of their beliefs and practices, as well as symbols. The Swastika, Wolfsangle, Sig, etc, were all used because of their supposed Aryan heritage and mystic significance. These were all based off the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armanen_runes]Armanen Runes[/url] created by Germany occultist [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_von_List]Guido von List[/url].
Recovering Aryan artifacts became one of Hitler's goals, and there was even an [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938%E2%80%931939_German_expedition_to_Tibet]SS expedition to Tibet[/url] to interact with the cultures there and investigate Aryan (and by extension German) heritage. (The science behind this is that the actual Aryan race, which was Indo-European, and did move from Europe, through Persia, and into India, and later founded Hinduism based off a combination of Pagan beliefs and Dravidian religion, were light skinned and interbred with the local population, creating the basis for the Hindu caste system- the lighter skinned, more 'pure' individuals were generally higher caste. You can see this even today, with the highest castes being of the lightest complexity in Hinduism. Another note is that Hitlerites and white supremacists also accept native Iranians of Persian decent as Aryans, even if they not white skinned).
All this likely got started from Hitler's relationship with [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Eckart]Dietrich Eckart[/url], an occultist and head of the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society]Thule Society[/url], who became Hitler's mentor for much of his early political career.
It's also notable that Hitler surrounded himself with occultists or those with an interest in it, such as Himmler, Rudolph Hess, and Himmler, who, less of an occultist, took great interest in psudeo-historical German/Aryan Paganism (see his interest and reasoning concerning the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(occult_symbol)]Black Sun symbolism[/url]).
And there's always the idea that the mysticism/occultist/whatnot beliefs of the Nazi higher-ups influenced their scientific pursuits, such as experimentation on humans concerning blood and energy and whatnot, and some have linked, say, Mengele's twin fetish to the mysticism.
Point is, it's not occultism necessarily as in devil worship or whatever, more like Pagan and Aryan psuedo-beliefs modernized and adapted to a semi-Christian Germanic heritage, which from the standpoint of many, especially the modern Church, would be seen as occultism.
Some have tried to say Hitler was possessed or he was immortal due to this or that, and all kinds of shit, but it honestly wasn't anything more than them falling into a warped belief system that complimented German heritage.
I haven't read all this yet, so let me just ask:
Has anyone mentioned that crazy huge super-gun that Hitler wanted. You know, the one that was lodged thousands of feet underground and would launch a new line of V3 rockets, but the Brits bombed it to shit before they finished it?
Also, anyone remember that huge bunker they built on the coast that was supposed to be invincible, even to direct airstrikes. Yeah, a minor structural fault caused one shell to smash the thing in two. Wow.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;32548688]Has anyone mentioned that crazy huge super-gun that Hitler wanted. You know, the one that was lodged thousands of feet underground and would launch a new line of V3 rockets, but the Brits bombed it to shit before they finished it?[/QUOTE]There was no V3 Rocket. It was just like a really big artillery piece firing really big shells across the channel at London. And yes, the Allies destroyed it before it was finished.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;32548688]Also, anyone remember that huge bunker they built on the coast that was supposed to be invincible, even to direct airstrikes. Yeah, a minor structural fault caused one shell to smash the thing in two. Wow.[/QUOTE]It wasn't a structural fault, the bomb was a type of bunker buster called an earthquake bomb. The idea is that it'll explode underground near the structure, and the shockwave through the ground would render the structure unstable. It worked.
The Bunker itself was meant to be a V2 Launch Base, firing over 2 dozen rockets into Britain a day.
[img]http://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/747924-L.jpg[/img]
How has this not been mentioned yet.
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