Canadians: Let's help fight costly and invasive mandatory internet surveillance. - General

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30687937][url=http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5885/125/]NDP MP Charlie Angus has sent a detailed letter to Public Safety Minister Vic Toews expressing concern about the return of lawful access legislation.[/url][/QUOTE] Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[QUOTE=Devil Traitor;30704485]Is that a good thing or a bad thing?[/QUOTE] Probably good

Signed. Fuck off Harper.

[QUOTE=Luuper;30704352]Why are the ISP's not up in arms about this? They don't care what you look at on thier service, they dont want to spend extra to contribute to this, on top of everything else. Why is there no corporate pressure to end this[/QUOTE] Because the ISPs will sell the packets that encompass Google search criteria and any time you send your address out to big corporations so they can send very specific advertising marketed towards your specific needs.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;30706920]Because the ISPs will sell the packets that encompass Google search criteria and any time you send your address out to big corporations so they can send very specific advertising marketed towards your specific needs.[/QUOTE] The bill only allows them to disclose the information to law enforcement But the music and movie industry has their hands in the government so I wouldn't be surprised if they'll get access to some of the data and have been providing ISPs with financial incentive to stay quiet [editline]25th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Devil Traitor;30704485]Is that a good thing or a bad thing?[/QUOTE] It's good. It means more and more politicians are against this, which means the PR backlash will be worse for the conservatives if they pass it anyway.

This thread kind of got buried due to all the spamming so I'm bringing it back with an update: [url=http://business.financialpost.com/2011/06/24/canadian-lawful-access-laws-come-at-too-high-a-price-critics-argue/]The Financial Post[/url] and [url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/tabatha-southey/ottawa-to-contract-out-spying-but-who-cares-its-only-the-internet/article2075104/]The Globe and Mail[/url] have posted articles on the topic. Here's an excerpt from the latter: [release]Imagine that, because you're pressed for time, you take a cab to the library. The cab driver is obliged by law to install a device that will monitor where he takes you. While in the cab, you call your friend to talk about your day. The phone company is obliged to track whom you talk to and for how long. At the library, you speak to a librarian, who jots down your query, because legally he must. He directs you to a specific shelf, and notes that too; each book you open will be recorded as well. Later, you see a film. The theatre notes which one, as it has to. Now imagine that you're that cab driver, phone company or movie theatre. You're a private business, yet you're obliged, in order to avoid a fine or even imprisonment, to store this information about any of your clients (at your own expense) if a peace officer requests that you do so. That officer needs only a “preservation demand” for this, and getting one is easy. It doesn't involve a warrant – he just needs to be curious. A judge is required if the officer wants to make the company turn over that stored information. However, it's also perfectly legal for a company to hand over their clients' personal information voluntarily. And, of course, requests to do things that are perfectly legal that come from police officers aren't the first requests most of us challenge. The information is right there, anyway, so why not make things easy? Finally, the cost of collecting this data is passed along to the people these businesses are spying on. Consider it a surveillance tax. Most Canadians would be outraged about this situation, unless someone explained to them that all these actions – the visiting, conversing, research, commerce and movie watching – were conducted on the Internet. Substitute search engines for libraries and cabs, and telecommunications companies for the theatre, and lots of people quiet down. We're encouraged to be afraid of the Internet: It will weaken our morals, make us trivial. It will create a generation that possesses information but no knowledge. Oh, wait a second, that last bit was Socrates on the written word.[/release] Excellent articles, I suggest you read both.

Signed it, those fuckers shalt not begin to watch as to what we do on the internet, and as if the net wasn't expensive enough up here.

Signed. This topic needs its due attention.

Got my signature up in that bitch.

Thanks for bringing the thread back up. [url=http://openmedia.ca/blog/why-internet-monitoring-bad-canada]Have an update (actually just a new article on it)[/url] so it wasn't totally for nothing. Let's keep discussing, this needs as much attention as that stupid US streaming bill.

signed

Signed.

Signed it

Signed, This piece of bullshit was what made 100% sure I couldn't vote Conservative.

Though I'm Australian I'll sign it. Hope all goes well :smile:

signed

Posted this on my Facebook as well [img]http://gyazo.com/06e4c5102cfa4fdf11b17db171706123.png[/img]

This won't do shit. The CRTC doesn't give a flying fuck.

WHERE IS BARLEY.

[url=http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=63069&PageMem=1]We now have independent internet service providers on our side.[/url] [QUOTE=moesislack;30963547]This won't do shit. The CRTC doesn't give a flying fuck.[/QUOTE] This has nothing to do with the CRTC.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30971437][url=http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=63069&PageMem=1]We now have independent internet service providers on our side.[/url] [/QUOTE] I'm surprised the large ISPs aren't opposed aswell, As I understood things the demands the government is making in the bill are not even physically possible with the way internet service is currently set up, and if it were to become law would require all ISPs to undergo costly upgrades for which they would get no return besides not being locked up. I suppose the big guys are too in bed with the government to kick up much of a ruckus.

Signed it, and I'm from Florida :v: It accepted it and I hope this works. [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Liamhailhail2.0;30963574]WHERE IS BARLEY.[/QUOTE] ahahahahaha oh god

[QUOTE=Novistador;30976725]I'm surprised the large ISPs aren't opposed aswell, As I understood things the demands the government is making in the bill are not even physically possible with the way internet service is currently set up, and if it were to become law would require all ISPs to undergo costly upgrades for which they would get no return besides not being locked up. I suppose the big guys are too in bed with the government to kick up much of a ruckus.[/QUOTE] It's because the large ISPs are the only choice in many areas so they have no problem with passing the cost on to their customers. Independent ISPs raising their prices would be business suicide in most cases though.

Thought I'd bump this for an update. [url=http://openmedia.ca/blog/ndp-post-confirms-their-opposition-invasive-online-spying-bills]The NDP (official opposition party) has come out against this bill.[/url] While the conservatives do have a majority this will only serve to bring the issue further into the public spotlight.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31103047]Thought I'd bump this for an update. [url=http://openmedia.ca/blog/ndp-post-confirms-their-opposition-invasive-online-spying-bills]The NDP (official opposition party) has come out against this bill.[/url] While the conservatives do have a majority this will only serve to bring the issue further into the public spotlight.[/QUOTE] North American conservatives really do suck, US or Canadian, they all suck. They have amazing ideas, but some of the worst execution I have ever seen.

The chances that the collective memory of Canada will last until the next election are unfortunately very slim. Politicians need to have more balls and vote against their parties when they file completely ridiculous bills. Wish I could sign, but since I'm not Canadian my signature would have no credibility.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;31103204]North American conservatives really do suck, US or Canadian, they all suck. They have amazing ideas, but some of the worst execution I have ever seen.[/QUOTE] The conservatives here are good but only when they have a minority. It lets them table their ideas to cut costs without being able to muck around outside of the economy Basically Harper is a child with a marker and giving him a majority was like removing the parents from the room- while they're in there he can draw on the paper but when they're gone you know the walls are just going to get covered in pictures of poorly drawn cats

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;31103533]Politicians need to have more balls and vote against their parties when they file completely ridiculous bills. [/QUOTE] That's not going to happen in Canada. It's pretty much an unwritten rule here than an MP must vote with their party no matter what or be kicked out of the party.

Never change, Zeke. Signed.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31105358]The conservatives here are good but only when they have a minority. It lets them table their ideas to cut costs without being able to muck around outside of the economy Basically Harper is a child with a marker and giving him a majority was like removing the parents from the room- while they're in there he can draw on the paper but when they're gone you know the walls are just going to get covered in pictures of poorly drawn cats[/QUOTE] Sounds a lot like 4chan. Oh [i]god[/i], is Harper a 4channer? Makes perfect sense. [editline]14th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Blanketspace;31115628]Never change, Zeke. Signed.[/QUOTE] Zeke is my favorite poster.