Christianity is a drug; it clouds the mind and numbs the body.
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I always get the feeling Gunfox goes to churches and tries to start conversations with the congregation just to fuel his own ego, bearing in mind that two thirds of his posts on this forum are spent debunking religion.
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[QUOTE=CowInParachute]I always get the feeling Gunfox goes to churches and tries to start conversations with the congregation just to fuel his own ego, bearing in mind that two thirds of his posts on this forum are spent debunking religion.[/QUOTE]
somebody needs to do it
[QUOTE=CowInParachute]I always get the feeling Gunfox goes to churches and tries to start conversations with the congregation just to fuel his own ego, bearing in mind that two thirds of his posts on this forum are spent debunking religion.[/QUOTE]
I've always found Molotov cocktails to be more effective.
Or if I'm feeling ironic, rigging a church to be struck and burnt down by lightning is always fun. Something about a church being destroyed in what appears to be an act of god always makes me laugh.
[QUOTE=GunFox]I've always found Molotov cocktails to be more effective.
Or if I'm feeling ironic, rigging a church to be struck and burnt down by lightning is always fun. Something about a church being destroyed in what appears to be an act of god always makes me laugh.[/QUOTE]
I prefer to simply point out the flaws in their ways of thinking and let them destroy themselves.
I find that the one consistent thing that Christians say when you refute their way of thinking and they can't disagree is "Well I never thought about it that way. I gotta go." This is usually followed by an abrupt cold shoulder.
Honestly, they're like ants.
Anybody else find this to be true?
Not really. Usually when they leave a conversation with me it goes something like:
"You are the spawn of Satan? You know that? You will burn fore- ARGGGHHH MY EYES! WAS THAT A COUGAR? HOW IN GOD'S NAME DID YOU FIT A COUGAR IN YOUR POCKET? ARGGHHargghh...argh...arg...a...*slump*...*spurt*...*spurt*..."
They are always so dumb. Thinking I fit a cougar in my pocket? How silly.
It's an ocelot. I call him Steve.
There's nothing I could say to do that post justice.
The question that killed off my faith in religion:
If god is all loving and all good why would he punish people in another religion for being on the other side even though they are just doing what the people on the right side are doing: worshiping god.
You're so going to Hell
Religion sucks because they are so narrow minded.
Like black people.
You are always saying that to me, yet I accept and understand the fact that you believe there is no higher power, and I also accept the fact that other people believe in other things.
Atheism sucks because people are always making broad assumptions which often aren't true.
[QUOTE=Mr.Miller]You are always saying that to me, yet I accept and understand the fact that you believe there is no higher power, and I also accept the fact that other people believe in other things.
Atheism sucks because people are always making broad assumptions which often aren't true.[/QUOTE]
Narrow minded isn't accepting that other people have different beliefs but that what you believe may not be the right thing to believe.
That makes you pretty narrow minded yourself.
[QUOTE=Mr.Miller]That makes you pretty narrow minded yourself.[/QUOTE]
No, I've accepted that other people can have different beliefs and that I could be wrong - I simply don't care if I'm wrong, I'd rather enjoy myself in life than not.
:words:
That's not the impression I get whenever speaking to you about it. That's why I avoid the subject of my beliefs with you because all you do is tell me that I am wasting my life.
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[QUOTE=ArchAngel]All that aside, I'm really fucking pissed with Christianity right now. Everybody around me except for two or three of my friends have been completely brainwashed by the poison that is God. In the eyes of almost every person I know, I am evil. I'm a lost soul. I'm less-than. I'm possessed by Satan. And there's nowhere for people like me. I live in the South (United States) and everything is run by Christianity. Everything is infested by bigotry and intolerance. Separation of church and state applies only to non-Christian religions where I live.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry people feel this way about you. It's not what the Bible teaches. I'm also sorry that a lot of Christians use their religion as an excuse to look down on people.
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Problem-Pain-C-S-Lewis/dp/0060652969]Here's a book[/url] by C.S. Lewis about suffering if you want to take a look. [url=http://www.cslewis.com/books/problem_of_pain-excerpt.html]Here's an excerpt.[/url]
MY MIND AND BODY ARE CLOUDED AND NUMBED RIGHT NOW
CAUSE I'M HIGH :dance:
the beatles - paperback writer
song is fuckin playing in SLOW MOTION (SOUND MOTION) it is just a little tooo slow
[QUOTE=ArchAngel]Keep in mind that this post refers to elements from the Catholic, Baptist, and Episcopalian churches and acknowledges that there are forms of Christianity that conflict with my view of what Christianity is. I know this. I am speaking from my experiences with the forms of Christianity I've come into contact with.
I was born a Catholic. I grew up in Christian communities until I was 12 and professed a deep love and devotion for God. I was baptized, I attended Mass, I never questioned my faith, and I prayed every night for the good of mankind.
That changed, though, when I discovered that I wasn't like all of God's other children. I just didn't think the same way. I found myself starting to ask questions - if God is omnibenevolent, why is there suffering? Why is it that those who profess to be Christians are often less tolerant than those who profess no faith? Is a religion that teaches intolerance a force of good? And so on. I read scripture, I read websites for and against Christianity, and spent years trying to justify my faith, to no avail.
Finally, after a long period of intense soul-searching, I gave up. I no longer saw Christianity as a force for good; instead, I saw it as a drug, a disease. Something that kills the mind and body, leaving only blind devotion to a nonexistent God in its wake. A voice that tells people to kill in God's name. An instigator of bigotry.
Logic is my only religion.
Make no mistake, you devoted Christians, I want to be one of you. I'd love to have an answer for everything, I'd love to have all of life's questions spelled out in a book. There's not much I wouldn't give to feel like there's a loving God watching over me. Don't try to convert me, though. I won't give up my individuality, my right to independent thought. I won't become one of the masses. I won't give up who I am and my ethics and morals and become a part of a giant hivemind. If I am to burn in Hell for all eternity because I don't believe in God, then maybe Satan had the right idea after all.
All that aside, I'm really fucking pissed with Christianity right now. Everybody around me except for two or three of my friends have been completely brainwashed by the poison that is God. In the eyes of almost every person I know, I am evil. I'm a lost soul. I'm less-than. I'm possessed by Satan. And there's nowhere for people like me. I live in the South (United States) and everything is run by Christianity. Everything is infested by bigotry and intolerance. Separation of church and state applies only to non-Christian religions where I live.
Fucking fanatics...[/QUOTE]
I find your name ironic based on the content of that post. With that out of the way:
Christians always seemed like cultists to me. They creeped me out... they were too happy. Nothing ever seems to get them down. They never see any fault in god - instead, they insist the fault is in other people. They're quick to convert you, should you stray from the path they've forged. A tornado destroys everything they have worked for the last 30 years, and they thank god that they're alive. Yes, thank you god, you put our family in the path of a tornado and nearly killed us. Thank you for having the mercy not to kill us. We don't have anything now, but thank god we're not dead! A test of our faith is what it is. God created us to doubt him so he could test our faith. Yes... faith. What a convenient excuse. If anything goes wrong, it's the work of the devil, or it's god testing our faith. Make sure you don't get the two confused - it's easy to do. I mean, after all, the bible is a book full of contridictions. By today's standards, would somebody like Jesus be considered a religious fanatic? Of course he was. Jesus didn't die for our sins - he died because he was a religious fanatic forming a cult in a civilization with Jewish roots. God loves you, but has no problem blasting you into hell. He spawned you on earth so you could suffer through life and die painfully. If god does exist, he definitely isn't working in your favor. The same goes for jesus. He started a religious movement that ultimately became a source of evil, deluding people, promising things they can't deliver, starting wars, creating prejudice and hatred, bigotry, and conformity.
Christianity is an evil of a different type. An evil that masquerades as salvation, ultimately leading its followers to become the very evil they were told to put an end to. You can make up excuses. You can lie to yourself, and tell you it's what god wants you to do. You can tell yourself it's right, even though in the back of your mind you know what you do is wrong. Just take a moment to think about things the people in your church have said, and ask yourself if what they do is in conflict of what you believe to be right. It's up to you to decide which story to believe.
I prefer to smile enigmatically and leave them with this thought:
[b]When you understand why [i]you[/i] choose to reject all other gods but your own you will understand why [i]I[/i] choose to reject yours. We are both atheists, I just believe in one less god than you.[/b]
You can usually see their little lips move as they try to work this out.
i prefer to not make a big deal out of it
[QUOTE=theJ89]I find your name ironic based on the content of that post. With that out of the way:
Christians always seemed like cultists to me. They creeped me out... they were too happy. Nothing ever seems to get them down. They never see any fault in god - instead, they insist the fault is in other people. They're quick to convert you, should you stray from the path they've forged. A tornado destroys everything they have worked for the last 30 years, and they thank god that they're alive. Yes, thank you god, you put our family in the path of a tornado and nearly killed us. Thank you for having the mercy not to kill us. We don't have anything now, but thank god we're not dead! A test of our faith is what it is. God created us to doubt him so he could test our faith. Yes... faith. What a convenient excuse. If anything goes wrong, it's the work of the devil, or it's god testing our faith. Make sure you don't get the two confused - it's easy to do. I mean, after all, the bible is a book full of contridictions. By today's standards, would somebody like Jesus be considered a religious fanatic? Of course he was. Jesus didn't die for our sins - he died because he was a religious fanatic forming a cult in a civilization with Jewish roots. God loves you, but has no problem blasting you into hell. He spawned you on earth so you could suffer through life and die painfully. If god does exist, he definitely isn't working in your favor. The same goes for jesus. He started a religious movement that ultimately became a source of evil, deluding people, promising things they can't deliver, starting wars, creating prejudice and hatred, bigotry, and conformity.
Christianity is an evil of a different type. An evil that masquerades as salvation, ultimately leading its followers to become the very evil they were told to put an end to. You can make up excuses. You can lie to yourself, and tell you it's what god wants you to do. You can tell yourself it's right, even though in the back of your mind you know what you do is wrong. Just take a moment to think about things the people in your church have said, and ask yourself if what they do is in conflict of what you believe to be right. It's up to you to decide which story to believe.[/QUOTE]
It's sort of funny that what appears to be a criticism of the religion is actually a criticism of the people that follow it.
[QUOTE=Ortzinator]It's sort of funny that what appears to be a criticism of the religion is actually a criticism of the people that follow it.[/QUOTE]
I like how you're trying to discredit his statements without refuting them. However, the practices and beliefs of the followers are what truly define the religion, and [B]that[/B] is what was being criticized here.
[QUOTE=theJ89]I find your name ironic based on the content of that post. With that out of the way:
Christians always seemed like cultists to me. They creeped me out... they were too happy. Nothing ever seems to get them down. They never see any fault in god - instead, they insist the fault is in other people. They're quick to convert you, should you stray from the path they've forged. A tornado destroys everything they have worked for the last 30 years, and they thank god that they're alive. Yes, thank you god, you put our family in the path of a tornado and nearly killed us. Thank you for having the mercy not to kill us. We don't have anything now, but thank god we're not dead! A test of our faith is what it is. God created us to doubt him so he could test our faith. Yes... faith. What a convenient excuse. If anything goes wrong, it's the work of the devil, or it's god testing our faith. Make sure you don't get the two confused - it's easy to do. I mean, after all, the bible is a book full of contridictions. By today's standards, would somebody like Jesus be considered a religious fanatic? Of course he was. Jesus didn't die for our sins - he died because he was a religious fanatic forming a cult in a civilization with Jewish roots. God loves you, but has no problem blasting you into hell. He spawned you on earth so you could suffer through life and die painfully. If god does exist, he definitely isn't working in your favor. The same goes for jesus. He started a religious movement that ultimately became a source of evil, deluding people, promising things they can't deliver, starting wars, creating prejudice and hatred, bigotry, and conformity.
Christianity is an evil of a different type. An evil that masquerades as salvation, ultimately leading its followers to become the very evil they were told to put an end to. You can make up excuses. You can lie to yourself, and tell you it's what god wants you to do. You can tell yourself it's right, even though in the back of your mind you know what you do is wrong. Just take a moment to think about things the people in your church have said, and ask yourself if what they do is in conflict of what you believe to be right. It's up to you to decide which story to believe.[/QUOTE]
This really does what little you know about Christians; first there are many denomination of Christianity, I guessing you’re talking about catholic or the protestant in the south of the US right?
Denominations like Quaker believe that they should not try to convert people because they believe choose is there’s. I would also like to point out the amount of good that was come out Christianity, Aid in 3rd world countries.
Although I do not believe in there god until I am proven wrong. Many of the belief I agree with, like forgiving those who have hurt you instead of hating them. There corrupted denomination like catholic who you can only goal it to get more worshiper (I’d even bet the reason they don’t want gay and condoms is because that means less babies!)
[QUOTE=Coolguy00]This really does what little you know about Christians; first there are many denomination of Christianity, I guessing you’re talking about catholic or the protestant in the south of the US right?
Denominations like Quaker believe that they should not try to convert people because they believe choose is there’s. I would also like to point out the amount of good that was come out Christianity, Aid in 3rd world countries.
Although I do not believe in there god until I am proven wrong. Many of the belief I agree with, like forgiving those who have hurt you instead of hating them. There corrupted denomination like catholic who you can only goal it to get more worshiper (I’d even bet the reason they don’t want gay and condoms is because that means less babies!)[/QUOTE]
Sure there are many denominations. Just as there are many forms of communism.
Incidentally, both ideas look much better on paper than they do in real life.
I'm probably not being very moderate when discussing religious issues. I'm pretty extremist in my views on christianity. I realize not everybody who follows the religion is like that. I'm just projecting the bad examples of several followers of the religion onto the whole group (this is what most people do with the muslims==terrorists crap) so I apologize for being so sterotypical.
But I am still disturbed in what I see to be a corrupt and false organization with a lot of political and social control. The issue I have the biggest deal with is religious organizations tend to push even normal people to a new level. Being cast into hell for the rest of eternity is pretty motivating to modifying your behavior. The fact is there is potential for abuse here. What's even worse is, if there was abuse happening, you couldn't convince people that there WAS abuse occuring. This religion thread shows that we can't see each others views clearly.
Remember the branch dividian conflict? David Karesh lead almost all of his followers to their deaths ultimately. Even though it wasn't his intent, that's how it ended up. Dozens of women, children, and men lost their lives. They would not listen to the government (although in this case, I think they were justified in not listening to the government - the government clearly overstepped its boundries here) and insisted on staying with their leader for weeks at a time - even when the power and utilities went out. When there was a tank intimidating the walls of his base outside - when the SWAT team raided their compound, when they intimidated them and even begged for David to let them go. Even when he betrayed the deal the government offered him - he gives himself up, and he gets to broadcast his religious views nationwide. Despite everything, they would still not leave. This loyal dedication is honorable in an old world sense, and I kind of admire it. The problem was that ultimately his followers were lead into ruin. They told the women and children to get in the basement, and the men to gather on the top floor. A fire started on the upper floor and spread to the basement. The women and children were cooked and had no way to get out. The men on the other hand rushed to them, but died in the process. Nobody in the basement made it out. David Karesh killed himself when it became apparent he would not survive it.
These people looked to him as a living god, a modern day Jesus. You can see the lengths that people went to for him. This is what I'm concerned about. If this can happen in a sect, what's stopping it from happening in branches mainstream religion? What's stopping someone influencial from pushing their views on their congregation? I'll leave you with this.
whoa
[QUOTE=theJ89]I'm probably not being very moderate when discussing religious issues. I'm pretty extremist in my views on christianity. I realize not everybody who follows the religion is like that. I'm just projecting the bad examples of several followers of the religion onto the whole group (this is what most people do with the muslims==terrorists crap) so I apologize for being so sterotypical.
But I am still disturbed in what I see to be a corrupt and false organization with a lot of political and social control. The issue I have the biggest deal with is religious organizations tend to push even normal people to a new level. Being cast into hell for the rest of eternity is pretty motivating to modifying your behavior. The fact is there is potential for abuse here. What's even worse is, if there was abuse happening, you couldn't convince people that there WAS abuse occuring. This religion thread shows that we can't see each others views clearly.
Remember the branch dividian conflict? David Karesh lead almost all of his followers to their deaths ultimately. Even though it wasn't his intent, that's how it ended up. Dozens of women, children, and men lost their lives. They would not listen to the government (although in this case, I think they were justified in not listening to the government - the government clearly overstepped its boundries here) and insisted on staying with their leader for weeks at a time - even when the power and utilities went out. When there was a tank intimidating the walls of his base outside - when the SWAT team raided their compound, when they intimidated them and even begged for David to let them go. Even when he betrayed the deal the government offered him - he gives himself up, and he gets to broadcast his religious views nationwide. Despite everything, they would still not leave. This loyal dedication is honorable in an old world sense, and I kind of admire it. The problem was that ultimately his followers were lead into ruin. They told the women and children to get in the basement, and the men to gather on the top floor. A fire started on the upper floor and spread to the basement. The women and children were cooked and had no way to get out. The men on the other hand rushed to them, but died in the process. Nobody in the basement made it out. David Karesh killed himself when it became apparent he would not survive it.
These people looked to him as a living god, a modern day Jesus. You can see the lengths that people went to for him. This is what I'm concerned about. If this can happen in a sect, what's stopping it from happening in branches mainstream religion? What's stopping someone influencial from pushing their views on their congregation? I'll leave you with this.[/QUOTE]
That is why there should never be a head of a religion.
[QUOTE=Coolguy00]That is why there should never be a head of a religion.[/QUOTE]
It's a good thing that religion is broke into different branches. If we didn't, the pope would control everything. Roman Catholics are headed by the Pope. He is the head of one of the oldest and most influencial branches of Christianity. Luckily, voters in America are wary of electing someone of the catholic faith. The reason is that the president may take orders from the pope, allowing the pope to have a large amount of influence on the american government.
At one time, the pope had an army. Even today he has got his own COUNTRY (an enclave). Besides that, there were also other groups such as the inquisition. You could see the inquisition as the police force of the catholics and the pope's army as the catholic military. At one time both of these forces had a very noticable prescence. The catholic army fought for the pope, winning lands for him and striking down his opponents. The inquisition worked at a more local level - they rounded up people they believed to be agents of the devil, witches, cultists, or even other christians who had split off from the mainstream religion.
Even today, the position of the pope is still a very influencial position (he is considered to be the messenger of god, after all).
On a slightly different note, I've been reading up on Buddhism and it looks really nice.
[QUOTE=ArchAngel]I like how you're trying to discredit his statements without refuting them. However, the practices and beliefs of the followers are what truly define the religion, and [B]that[/B] is what was being criticized here.[/QUOTE]
Then you missed the point.
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