• Christianity is a drug; it clouds the mind and numbs the body.
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[QUOTE=Waals Vander;20497135]this whole thread is about religion controlling your minds and corrupting man. would you want god to have that much control over life and your decisions? for man to be truly open minded and truly experience life they must have free will. you would want god to run the world and your life? thats what heaven is for.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
[QUOTE=Broryt;20497138]But what if you're going to hell OR what if there's no heaven?[/QUOTE] then yea death sucks man.
Don't be, just be
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[QUOTE=Waals Vander;20496624]if god prevented evil, there would be less free will, man would have less choices because god would always be in control. would you be willing to sacrifice your free will? there would be less point in living on earth because earth would be heaven. there has to be evil for there to be any understanding of good. [editline]03:21PM[/editline] — Waals Vander, badass[/QUOTE] Sorry to break it to you, but an omnipotent and omniscient being that created the universe has not given you free will. If he knows everything, he knows what the exact result of his creating the universe will be. He creates the universe in a certain way and because of the deterministic nature of the universe, your god has taken away free will by being the one who created the universe and creating it in a certain way.
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[QUOTE=Rainhorror;20496867][IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f172/Rainhorror/godisnotgreat.jpg[/IMG] Relevant to this thread. I'm getting that book soon.[/QUOTE] I have it. It's a nice read but it sometimes gets a little drawn out and boring.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;20497166]I'm not sure I understand what you mean.[/QUOTE] god gives a us certain amount of free will so that we can fully live our lives.
Yes, but he could still save people, make us more happy etc.
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[QUOTE=Faren;20497222]Sorry to break it to you, but an omnipotent and omniscient being that created the universe has not given you free will. If he knows everything, he knows what the exact result of his creating the universe will be. He creates the universe in a certain way and because of the deterministic nature of the universe, your god has taken away free will by being the one who created the universe and creating it in a certain way.[/QUOTE] i'm not entirely sure what you're getting at -- are you saying because god has a plan for us we cannot truly have free will?
Lets bash on the Christians for their beliefs... so original and witty, what I find funnier about these debates is that Atheists are just as arrogant as christians, Is it really that impossible that a greater force exists or can you just assume you already know everything because you read a book by Dawkins? No I'm not a christian, I'm just not dumb enough to believe everything is here by chance.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;20497259]Yes, but he could still save people, make us more happy etc.[/QUOTE] or you could do that yourself
[QUOTE=Waals Vander;20497319]i'm not entirely sure what you're getting at -- are you saying because god has a plan for us we cannot truly have free will?[/QUOTE] Pretty much. Everything has a cause(s). A pencil doesn't fall off a table for no reason. It falls off because of air flow pushing it, or the table being on a slant and causing it to roll off. Every cause has a cause and every cause of a cause has a cause etc. If a god put into motion the original cause and is omniscient, he must therefore have known the precise effect and outcome of his original creation of the universe.
[QUOTE=Waals Vander;20497330]or you could do that yourself[/QUOTE] It's difficult if you're born into a poor family and have AIDS.
Christianity is stupid. If there's god, then why isn't there paradise.
[QUOTE=IagainstI;20497320]Lets bash on the Christians for their beliefs... so original and witty, what I find funnier about these debates is that Atheists are just as arrogant as christians, Is it really that impossible that a greater force exists or can you just assume you already know everything because you read a book by Dawkins? No I'm not a christian, I'm just not dumb enough to believe [b]everything is here by chance.[/b][/QUOTE] What do you mean by that?
this thread reminded me that atheists are the most tolerant people
Wow lots of bumped threads lately.
Christianity isn't just the only cancer. The other two Abrahamic religions suck as much balls.
Now Christan walk dogs will come down on facepunch.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;20497413]What do you mean by that?[/QUOTE] He means that he is an idiot and has no idea what atheists believe. At all.
[QUOTE=Faren;20497374]Pretty much. Everything has a cause(s). A pencil doesn't fall off a table for no reason. It falls off because of air flow pushing it, or the table being on a slant and causing it to roll off. Every cause has a cause and every cause of a cause has a cause etc. If a god put into motion the original cause and is omniscient, he must therefore have known the precise effect and outcome of his original creation of the universe.[/QUOTE] okay and you are very right there. which also leads to the point that "that which does not exist only begins to exist by something already existing." but besides that, i honestly dont have a great answer for your statement right now -- i'll try and get back to it.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;20497413]What do you mean by that?[/QUOTE] Surely everything in the universe isn't just a coincidence
[QUOTE=IagainstI;20497320]Lets bash on the Christians for their beliefs... so original and witty, what I find funnier about these debates is that Atheists are just as arrogant as christians, Is it really that impossible that a greater force exists or can you just assume you already know everything because you read a book by Dawkins? No I'm not a christian, I'm just not dumb enough to believe everything is here by chance.[/QUOTE] Actually it's the fact that the laws of physics, chemistry biology and every other science don't allow for an omnipotent being that exists forever at every point in time and everywhere at once. It's impossible by our current laws. Not because Dawkins says so.
[QUOTE=bravehat;20497763]Actually it's the fact that the laws of physics, chemistry biology and every other science don't allow for an omnipotent being that exists forever at every point in time and everywhere at once. It's impossible by our current laws. Not because Dawkins says so.[/QUOTE] tell us why.
[QUOTE=IagainstI;20497706]Surely everything in the universe isn't just a coincidence[/QUOTE] How do you know? I don't think it's a coincidence either, but that does not mean a magic being did it.
[QUOTE=IagainstI;20497706]Surely everything in the universe isn't just a coincidence[/QUOTE] Why not? Seriously why is it so hard to believe?
TELL Us WHY
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