Christianity is a drug; it clouds the mind and numbs the body.
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What?
i want to know why bravehat thinks [quote=bravehat;20497763]the laws of physics, chemistry biology and every other science don't allow for an omnipotent being that exists forever at every point in time and everywhere at once.[/quote] i want to see how educated he is
[QUOTE=sp00ks;20497830]How do you know?
I don't think it's a coincidence either, but that does not mean a magic being did it.[/QUOTE]
I don't, thats the fucking point. I never said a magical being does exist, Not in the classical monotheist form at least.
Yet you're still assuring that everything didn't happen by coincidence.
By your logic, you're being just as arrogant as fundamentalists and hardcore atheists.
You could of course argue that no, you're not, because you're simply saying that you don't think something is true but then you're just going to make yourself look stupid since atheists are doing the same thing.
[QUOTE=IagainstI;20498030]I don't, thats the fucking point. I never said a magical being does exist, Not in the classical monotheist form at least.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that I'm 100% sure there is no gods, like I'm not saying I'm 100% sure there are no elves and unicorns, but that doesn't mean it's still really stupid to believe in them.
We have no idea how everything came into existance (we do know how our universe started though) so we can't say anything about it, not even that it's not a coincidence.
[QUOTE=Waals Vander;20497782]tell us why.[/QUOTE]
Because before the big bang, there was nothingness.
Which means that the god had to exist in this nothingness, or parallel to this nothingness which is just illogical, even if it wasn't then why did this creator decide to create us, why did he decided to make us worship him.
It would be an exercise to boost his ego, sure recognition for your achievements is understandable, but he would have to have been power mad to make us worship him in the ways he did, which means in my eyes he's not worthy of having power.
Despite my mother (and the rest of my family) being devout Christians, never committing sin, my dad died before I was born?
Benevolent God? Bullshit.
[QUOTE=bravehat;20497763]Actually it's the fact that the laws of physics, chemistry biology and every other science don't allow for an omnipotent being that exists forever at every point in time and everywhere at once.
It's impossible by our current laws.[/QUOTE]
Emphasis on the words "our current laws". We can only observe a miniscule, insignificant portion of our universe through our senses, and it's empirical evidence itself that's proven our senses can be deceived, and therefore 'knowledge' gained from the senses, could be wrong.
When you look at the laws of Physics, Chemistry, Biology and every other science, remember that these laws were built on our current observations, not that the laws predisposed the observations themselves.
"Although, it's possible I could be wrong" - which is what I'm saying, and is what any truely devoted scientist will say at least once when describing their theories.
[QUOTE=Waals Vander;20497135]this whole thread is about religion controlling your minds and corrupting man. would you want god to have that much control over life and your decisions? for man to be truly open minded and truly experience life they must have free will. you would want god to run the world and your life? thats what heaven is for.[/QUOTE]
You assume that God has created man, therefore God is omnipotent and omniscient, yes? God's basically the perfect being which mankind strives to be. However, if a God is perfect, why do they allow mankind to be corrupt? Perfection doesn't necessarily equate to freedom. It's very, very hard to comprehend total perfection.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;20498190]I'm not saying that I'm 100% sure there is no gods, like I'm not saying I'm 100% sure there are no elves and unicorns, but that doesn't mean it's still really stupid to believe in them.
We have no idea how everything came into existance (we do know how our universe started though) so we can't say anything about it, not even that it's not a coincidence.[/QUOTE]
We don't know how our universe started. We know when it started, however.
The Big Bang is how our universe started. It was very small, and then it expanded.
[QUOTE=TehDoomCat;20498421]Emphasis on the words "our current laws". We can only observe a miniscule, insignificant portion of our universe through our senses, and it's empirical evidence itself that's proven our senses can be deceived, and therefore 'knowledge' gained from the senses, could be wrong.
When you look at the laws of Physics, Chemistry, Biology and every other science, remember that these laws were built on our current observations, not that the laws predisposed the observations themselves.
"Although, it's possible I could be wrong" - which is what I'm saying, and is what any truely devoted scientist will say at least once when describing their theories.
You assume that God has created man, therefore God is omnipotent and omniscient, yes? God's basically the perfect being which mankind strives to be. However, if a God is perfect, why do they allow mankind to be corrupt? Perfection doesn't necessarily equate to freedom. It's very, very hard to comprehend total perfection.[/QUOTE]
Why do you think I even stated "by our current laws"? for the very reason that we adapt them and change them to suit the new evidence and effects observed under certain conditions and extremes.
I acknowledge that there may indeed be entities that hold power that dwarf that of black holes, suns and mankind but right now, it looks pretty un-mother fucking likely.
[QUOTE=TehDoomCat;20498421]You assume that God has created man, therefore God is omnipotent and omniscient, yes? God's basically the perfect being which mankind strives to be. However, if a God is perfect, why do they allow mankind to be corrupt? Perfection doesn't necessarily equate to freedom. It's very, very hard to comprehend total perfection.[/QUOTE]
and yet we can comprehend it. but how can we comprehend perfection if nothing on earth is perfect? i never said anything about perfection equaling freedom -- freedom comes from being able to let man experience life for itself.
[QUOTE=Mike T;20495879]You serious?[/QUOTE]
I am completely serious, you must believe in Jesus.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;20498494]The Big Bang is how our universe started. It was very small, and then it expanded.[/QUOTE]
The big bang theory has proven that our universe is expanding; we're not quite sure how the fuck it happened in the first place.
The big bang is just a theory remember!
Albeit the most likely but still, just a theory.
If you don't like christianity, why take the time to make a thread about it?
Never going to be anything but a theory.
I don't think you know what a scientific theory is though.
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[QUOTE=tweeby;20498809]If you don't like christianity, why take the time to make a thread about it?[/QUOTE]
Because he doesn't like it.
[QUOTE=IagainstI;20497706]Surely everything in the universe isn't just a coincidence[/QUOTE]
Well, read up on some scientific theory. I'm not one of those ignorant athiest that blatantly hates religion and everyone in it, but science is a hell of a lot more believable than, 'Then there was the world".
Logic should dictate that some omnipotent being creating everything is just outright ridiculous. I once thought the bible was meant to be taken as more of a moral and ethical guideline, rather than literally, but after a bit of reading there are a few passages that basically say it's meant to be literally taken.
I'm not saying you should rethink religion, but none of it makes sense to me.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;20498812]Never going to be anything but a theory.
I don't think you know what a scientific theory is though.
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Because he doesn't like it.[/QUOTE]
Crying about it on a forum isn't gonna change people's minds.
I was thinking, that if the explanation of how everything was created, was because of a god, then who created god?
Man of course. :downs:
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EDIT: Well, that's ironic :P.
[QUOTE=Waals Vander;20498543]and yet we can comprehend it. but how can we comprehend perfection if nothing on earth is perfect? i never said anything about perfection equaling freedom -- freedom comes from being able to let man experience life for itself.[/QUOTE]
So you admit that if there is a God, they are not in fact, perfect then? But basically a giant human?
(I actually like that view btw; the humanly compassion of Jesus is so much better than Mighty Smitey "and on the eighth day he created sexism")
[QUOTE=ArchAngel;4711700]Keep in mind that this post refers to elements from the Catholic, Baptist, and Episcopalian churches and acknowledges that there are forms of Christianity that conflict with my view of what Christianity is. I know this. I am speaking from my experiences with the forms of Christianity I've come into contact with.
I was born a Catholic. I grew up in Christian communities until I was 12 and professed a deep love and devotion for God. I was baptized, I attended Mass, I never questioned my faith, and I prayed every night for the good of mankind.
That changed, though, when I discovered that I wasn't like all of God's other children. I just didn't think the same way. I found myself starting to ask questions - if God is omnibenevolent, why is there suffering? Why is it that those who profess to be Christians are often less tolerant than those who profess no faith? Is a religion that teaches intolerance a force of good? And so on. I read scripture, I read websites for and against Christianity, and spent years trying to justify my faith, to no avail.
Finally, after a long period of intense soul-searching, I gave up. I no longer saw Christianity as a force for good; instead, I saw it as a drug, a disease. Something that kills the mind and body, leaving only blind devotion to a nonexistent God in its wake. A voice that tells people to kill in God's name. An instigator of bigotry.
Logic is my only religion.
Make no mistake, you devoted Christians, I want to be one of you. I'd love to have an answer for everything, I'd love to have all of life's questions spelled out in a book. There's not much I wouldn't give to feel like there's a loving God watching over me. Don't try to convert me, though. I won't give up my individuality, my right to independent thought. I won't become one of the masses. I won't give up who I am and my ethics and morals and become a part of a giant hivemind. If I am to burn in Hell for all eternity because I don't believe in God, then maybe Satan had the right idea after all.
All that aside, I'm really fucking pissed with Christianity right now. Everybody around me except for two or three of my friends have been completely brainwashed by the poison that is God. In the eyes of almost every person I know, I am evil. I'm a lost soul. I'm less-than. I'm possessed by Satan. And there's nowhere for people like me. I live in the South (United States) and everything is run by Christianity. Everything is infested by bigotry and intolerance. Separation of church and state applies only to non-Christian religions where I live.
Fucking fanatics...[/QUOTE]
I'm surrounded by atheists.. Wanna switch?
[QUOTE=tweeby;20498809]If you don't like christianity, why take the time to make a thread about it?[/QUOTE]
Because keeping quiet about your dissent is productive :downs:
Where the hell do you guys live?
Where I live, we don't have nearly as many "crazy" Christians. Just my mom who doesn't approve of anything remotely related to evil. Thank God my Dad isn't nearly as strict as her.
I dunno my church is Pentecostal and we don't judge anybody, nor are we cult like, sometimes gay couples will come in and sit down and its never an issue, people don't stare, put hands on them, the pastor doesn't tell them mean crap, sometimes he'll just be like "Hi, have a seat anywhere you'd like". I can't stand when people try to scare someone straight with the whole "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, FAGGOT" speech, we tend pray for anyone who might not be on the right path and not in their faces. And no damnit, not all churches molest boys and preach hate-speech. We just sit down, read some, maybe sing a few songs, and talk about football afterwards. (Or at least thats what most of them do after,) I tend to stick to talking about video games and computers. :frogdowns: I dunno, I like being Christian, I'm kind of the same I was before, only this time I believe in God rather than, you know, not. It can really make people monsters though, I've seen what Westboro baptist is doing, and its pretty crazy stuff. So yeah, believe what you want. Thats cool. Just don't be a dick about it, or I'll make a "Atheism is a drug; it clouds the mind and numbs the body" thread. :smug:
(That was a joke.)
I gave up my religious beliefs as I matured into a tolerant, progressive citizen.
I would be a hypocrite to preach for tolerance and acceptance but share the same belief system and faith that goes against what I believe is best for all of us.
When asking people simple questions about their faith drives them straight to violence, I want no part of what ever cult or voodoo they involve themselves with. They must be the possessed ones.
We could just let anybody believe what they want like friendly people.
But that's just sick and immoral.
[QUOTE=TehDoomCat;20499449]So you admit that if there is a God, they are not in fact, perfect then? But basically a giant human?
(I actually like that view btw; the humanly compassion of Jesus is so much better than Mighty Smitey "and on the eighth day he created sexism")[/QUOTE]
what? no, god isn't on earth that's the point.
This thread is immoral and full of serpent seeds. God is the way my friends and you are all going to burn in a righteous pit of fire unless you follow the word of the lord.
I pity all of you lost souls.
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