How The Gays Stole Christmas, according to the Blizzard Forums - General

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51580243]To be honest I have a gay friend who disliked the JK Rowling Dumbledore thing, mostly [B][I]because there was nothing in the books to even suggest he was gay[/I][/B], she just came out with it to seem progressive even though it was clearly an afterthought, which is kind of offensive in its own way.[/QUOTE] Was there particularly anything in the books to suggest he was straight? This is the thing. If JK Rowling had said that Dumbledore was straight and had a female love interest in the past nobody would bat an eye, but if you say that someone is gay and they weren't a screaming bender to begin with, then it's obviously forced.

[QUOTE=Rufia;51580282]Was there particularly anything in the books to suggest he was straight? This is the thing. If JK Rowling had said that Dumbledore was straight and had a female love interest in the past nobody would bat an eye, but if you say that someone is gay and they weren't a screaming bender to begin with, then it's obviously forced.[/QUOTE] But nobody would ever come out and say "hey you know this character who had absolutely no love interest what so ever, well they're straight". Saying "yeah this character was gay lol" just seems like a completely lazy way to come across as progressive rather than having an actual vision of a gay romance in your story, if you want to make a gay character, integrate it into the story, if their sexuality isn't important enough to be mentioned in the book then there's no reason to bring up whether they're gay or straight. [editline]25th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Alice3173;51580273]Like I said, there was plenty but it was subtle. The most notable stuff that people most noticed was his history with Grindelwald. It was obvious enough that before she revealed it I was wondering if he was actually gay and I'm definitely not the only one who thought it was likely.[/QUOTE] It seems more like she didn't want to have a gay character because she thought it was bad for marketing, she clearly didn't have the courage to be up front about it in the books. All she had to do was have a passing mention of a husband, or even tie it into the plot somehow and give it some relevance, but no she didn't bother. Very lazy imo

This whole thing reminds me of the Simpsons episode "Homer's Phobia" where Homer makes a new friend, and then freaks out when he's finds he's gay. People who don't "act gay" can be gay, and they aren't being disingenuous. Sexuality doesn't define personality, and the fact that people feel betrayed that a character who is gay feels forced because they didn't seem gay are being homophobic, if they don't feel that they are.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51577494]It's a pretty beautiful thing how it's brought out the closeted homophobes who become quite obvious when you look at their priorities and the assumptions they keep making.[/QUOTE] This whole year did a pretty good job on sorting out the certain "idea" groups of FP. [editline]24th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=gufu;51577278]It's a comic that ultimately doesn't affect the game. The only reason to care about the issue is in fact homophobia, which isn't really nothing new when applied to you.[/QUOTE] :godzing::godzing::godzing:

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51574616]It's blatant pandering with absolutely zero thought put behind it. The problem isn't and hasn't been about sexuality, the problem has always been about the way sexuality is shoehorned into entertainment. It isn't natural, it's forced with a clear agenda in mind.[/QUOTE] To homophobes like yourself, "blatant pandering" means acknowledging a character being gay like they're normal people or something, the agenda being that they're normal people. It's shoehorning in your opinion because there isn't a picketer there to club her with a protest sign and warn the audience that what they're seeing ain't what the baby Jebus wants.

[QUOTE=Omali;51580742]To homophobes like yourself, "blatant pandering" means acknowledging a character being gay like they're normal people or something, the agenda being that they're normal people. It's shoehorning in your opinion because there isn't a picketer there to club her with a protest sign and warn the audience that what they're seeing ain't what the baby Jebus wants.[/QUOTE] Imagine someone sent an author an ask like "what is this character's sexuality?" If they answered "straight", no one would bat an eye. But if they said "gay" or "bi", suddenly people cry out "pandering! just trying to get attention! shoehorned in!" It's a disgusting double standard.

[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;51580749]Imagine someone sent an author an ask like "what is this character's sexuality?" If they answered "straight", no one would bat an eye. But if they said "gay" or "bi", suddenly people cry out "pandering! just trying to get attention! shoehorned in!" It's a disgusting double standard.[/QUOTE] It's a bit of a catch 22, if you don't put gay characters in then they never become normalised and gay people end up unrepresented, but if you do put them in then it stands out because its rare and therefore looks like pandering. You pretty much can't win by this logic.

i dont get how people are complaining that shes a lesbian the people who pretend she's real can just pretend she's straight nothing changes

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;51577052]It isn't though. My thought was that I didn't think it was necessary to note and wouldn't affect the game or story. I would have thought it would have been more appropriate in a narrative driven game. I wasn't aware of the storyline behind OverWatch so it would make sense. My impression was that they just wanted to start assigning random roles in the LGBT spectrum just for the sake of diversity. If sexuality isn't important in the game, why mention it? And please don't call me homophobic, it is entirely disingenuous.[/QUOTE] Widowmaker has a story where she killed her husband. [I][B]Woah,[/B][/I] there, her husband? Why do we have to bring up her likely straight sexuality? Stop shoving her heterosexuality in our faces, [I]jeez.[/I] Her sexuality isn't relevant to the game, why did they bring up her being straight like it mattered? [editline]25th December 2016[/editline] BTW before you (hilariously) attempt to say "no that's different," it isn't. They showed Widowmaker having a husband, and they showed us Tracer having a girlfriend. One just happened to be involved in an origin story, the other happened to be in a Holiday comic.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;51580938]BTW before you (hilariously) attempt to say "no that's different," it isn't. They showed Widowmaker having a husband, and they showed us Tracer having a girlfriend. One just happened to be involved in an origin story, the other happened to be in a Holiday comic.[/QUOTE] In terms of character building "killing your husband" tells you more about a character than "having a girlfriend", don't you think? I mean remove the gender from those and you're gonna get "killed her own long time partner" and "has a partner". The latter tells you absolutely nothing about the character. Not that I care about sexuality of a made up character from a game that I don't play or think that this is some minority pandering crap. I just thought you're being a bit disingenuous.

The entire point of the comic was that the Overwatch characters had lives, friends and family outside of the game that they enjoyed spending time with come the Holidays. It literally makes zero difference who Tracer was with, it just so happened that she, like many other entirely normal people, was gay. There doesn't need to be some sort of deeper meaning just because they're a significant character in the context of the game.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51581918]The entire point of the comic was that the Overwatch characters had lives, friends and family outside of the game that they enjoyed spending time with come the Holidays. It literally makes zero difference who Tracer was with, it just so happened that she, like many other entirely normal people, was gay. There doesn't need to be some sort of deeper meaning just because they're a significant character in the context of the game.[/QUOTE] I don't know if you're replying to me but I haven't said anything that would suggest it [I]should have[/I] some deeper meaning. The only thing I've said is "killed her own long time partner" tells you more about a character than "has a partner" in reply to what LegndNikko said.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51581944]I don't know if you're replying to me but I haven't said anything that would suggest it [I]should have[/I] some deeper meaning. The only thing I've said is "killed her own long time partner" tells you more about a character than "has a partner" in reply to what LegndNikko said.[/QUOTE] Neither one tells less than the other I think? Every character doesn't need a brooding love story. Tracer's character shows that she has somebody she's fighting for to protect, who she loves, and shows that Tracer has a kind heart etc...

[QUOTE=omarfr;51581991]Neither one tells less than the other I think? [B]Every character doesn't need a brooding love story.[/B] Tracer's character shows that she has somebody she's fighting for to protect, who she loves, and shows that Tracer has a kind heart etc...[/QUOTE] Why do you guys have to do this? Why can't you stick to what someone actually said? For the third time the only thing I've said is "killed her own long time partner" tells you more about a character than "has a partner" in reply to what LegndNikko said. And "neither one tells less than the other"? Really? So you're saying that you wouldn't have a different reaction if you'd find out that your new neighbor has a girlfriend/boyfriend and if you'd find out they have killed their own wife/husband? These are equal pieces of information?

Another win for the gay agenda.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51582122]Why do you guys have to do this? Why can't you stick to what someone actually said? For the third time the only thing I've said is "killed her own long time partner" tells you more about a character than "has a partner" in reply to what LegndNikko said. And "neither one tells less than the other"? Really? So you're saying that you wouldn't have a different reaction if you'd find out that your new neighbor has a girlfriend/boyfriend and if you'd find out they have killed their own wife/husband? These are equal pieces of information?[/QUOTE] No need to be so condescending I read what you said. Of course I would have a different reaction but that does not mean that having a certain story tells LESS about a character. Rather a different sort of story. So yes I think that they are equal pieces of information in regards to character building in the way they presented Tracer's story. I also think for a Holiday comic, it told a much sweeter story for a sweeter season.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51581944]I don't know if you're replying to me but I haven't said anything that would suggest it [I]should have[/I] some deeper meaning. The only thing I've said is "killed her own long time partner" tells you more about a character than "has a partner" in reply to what LegndNikko said.[/QUOTE] Nah I was just saying in general. If there was anyone I was replying to though it was this guy [QUOTE=thepwnwar;51579552]The comic was not even that good with a rushed and sudden delivery. The only redeeming quality is that it has background information on the Overwatch universe. Suddenly revealing a relationship without any sort of proper development is silly to say the least. Who is Tracer's girlfriend? What does she do? More importantly, why should I care about this new character? Why does Widowmaker visit the grave of her dead husband when it's established she's a shell of her former self and a merciless killer? The only indication of her former self is some respawn quotes. Talon just lets her leave to do something that could be potentially long term, or else she sneaked out on her own or she is free to do as she please. Not to mention that the plot is otherwise bland and generic. People focus on the gay when it's a symptom of a larger problem with Blizzard's storytelling in Overwatch.[/QUOTE]

I though it was grinch who stole the christmas

[QUOTE=omarfr;51582198]No need to be so condescending I read what you said.[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm trying to make people reply to what I'm actually saying. [QUOTE=omarfr;51582198]Of course I would have a different reaction but that does not mean that having a certain story tells LESS about a character. Rather a different sort of story. So yes I think that they are equal pieces of information in regards to character building in the way they presented Tracer's story.[/QUOTE] But we're not talking about the entire origin stories we're talking about a single piece of information "killed her own long time partner" and "has a partner" which LegndNikko said are equal. One gives you some information about someone's character (narrows what you can expect) and the other doesn't. [QUOTE=omarfr;51582198]I also think for a Holiday comic, it told a much sweeter story for a sweeter season.[/QUOTE] You say that you read what I said yet you again are making it look like I said something negative about the comic or the decision to make that comic.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51582253]I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm trying to make people reply to what I'm actually saying. But we're not talking about the entire origin stories we're talking about a single piece of information "killed her own long time partner" and "has a partner" which LegndNikko said are equal. One gives you some information about someone's character (narrows what you can expect) and the other doesn't. You say that you read what I said yet you again are making it look like I said something negative about the comic or the decision to make that comic.[/QUOTE] I apologize if I seemed to have misinterpreted what you're saying. If the statements are just that then I agree that one tells more than the other however I do not agree the statement is not accurate to the comic's portrayal. Where it's "killed her own long time partner" vs "character struggles with balancing time as an Overwatch Hero to maintain healthy relationship with partner, character is sweet and thoughtful of other characters needs, etc..."

The Amazing World of Gumball had an episode on love just now and it had a small homosexual bit in it. It's spreading. There's no stopping the gay.

I am retreating to my gay free bunker, I have supplies of manly foods and manly gun/car magazines to last me 3 years, I will outlast the Queerocaust. God is on my side. No faggots will be seducing me with their muscles and big, strong, meaty dicks.

[QUOTE=thepwnwar;51579552]The comic was not even that good with a rushed and sudden delivery. The only redeeming quality is that it has background information on the Overwatch universe. Suddenly revealing a relationship without any sort of proper development is silly to say the least. Who is Tracer's girlfriend? What does she do? More importantly, why should I care about this new character? Why does Widowmaker visit the grave of her dead husband when it's established she's a shell of her former self and a merciless killer? The only indication of her former self is some respawn quotes. Talon just lets her leave to do something that could be potentially long term, or else she sneaked out on her own or she is free to do as she please. Not to mention that the plot is otherwise bland and generic. People focus on the gay when it's a symptom of a larger problem with Blizzard's storytelling in Overwatch.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile on Earth 2 where Tracer is revealed to have a boyfriend, thepwnwar is silent.

[QUOTE=WJS;51582410]I am retreating to my gay free bunker, I have supplies of manly foods and manly gun/car magazines to last me 3 years, I will outlast the Queerocaust. God is on my side. No faggots will be seducing me with their muscles and big, strong, meaty dicks.[/QUOTE] We're going to drag you out of there during the genocide Convert to gay islam or be enslaved, heathen.

[QUOTE=omarfr;51582326]I apologize if I seemed to have misinterpreted what you're saying. If the statements are just that then I agree that one tells more than the other however I do not agree the statement is not accurate to the comic's portrayal. Where it's "killed her own long time partner" vs "character struggles with balancing time as an Overwatch Hero to maintain healthy relationship with partner, character is sweet and thoughtful of other characters needs, etc..."[/QUOTE] Yeah sure, I agree, if you take the entire story to consider they both tell a different one and neither is less telling for a lack of a better term. I was only talking about the specific bits of information about having/killing life partner.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51582524]We're going to drag you out of there during the genocide Convert to gay islam or be enslaved, heathen.[/QUOTE] no no please dont use your big manly arms to grab me and drag me out to where your gang of gays is waiting, I will not stand this gayness, I will not be converted! the lord protects me

REALLY? Someone should draft a video of things straight people can do differently in 2017; whining about the gayest character in Overwatch like this is an example of behavior that's getting WAY out of hand.

Good old asswipes complaining about "social justice is taking over hurdur". While this is more of dealing with real equality, not some stupid SJW bullshit.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51584141]Doesnt matter because the backgrounds arent designed that pragmatically, to convey messages: They are written just to make up a good story. The amount of information conveyed is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, where all that matters is the story. Very simple, humble stories can be very good.[/QUOTE] I think you've misread something because that was pretty much my point? I mean there's "I agree" a the beginning of the post you quoted.

Meanwhile nobody seems to care that Winston is apparently in a relationship with ATHENA (robosexual?).