Animal Experimentation Contra Human Experimentation - General

I'm of the opinion that scientific progress isn't sunshine and happiness, and some dark shit has to go down if we're going to get anywhere. Call me cold, call me cynical, call me jaded, but I honestly don't care if a few monkeys have to die if it means we find a cure for cancer. Cosmetics shouldn't be tested on animals, they're nonessential and honestly shouldn't be made with chemicals that warrant such testing in the first place. But important shit like cancer research? Fuck it. Breed as many damn monkeys as you need.

We test on animals because most humans will not subject themselves to the monotonous repetitive nature of the experiments. Some will however, some scientists and researchers get human "lab rats" and pay them for their time, they are even warned of the side effects beforehand and still accept. Although I do love the scene from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back when they bust the animals out of the lab. I am only pro animal testing because if it were not present then there would be no way to test our shampoos and other hair care products.

1. Stop testing stuff, period. 2. Stick to the already tested stuff. 3. laugh at people trying out new and untested stuff. stuff.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;34078923]I think people need to look into computer simulators, try to go farther there before potentially fucking up the life of anything else.[/QUOTE] That's a good idea, it's just hat we just need to figure out exactly how every organ in the body functions first.

[QUOTE=Holy-Smokes;34059579]Agree with Benf199105 he pointed out my opinion almost perfectly.[/QUOTE] If you want to keep on the Singer approach take a look at Singer's: All Animals are Equal, Great Ape Project, Practical Ethics and his collection of essays called Unsanctifying Human Life with Helga Kuhse :)

[QUOTE=cocknugget;34079454]1. Stop testing stuff, period. 2. Stick to the already tested stuff. 3. laugh at people trying out new and untested stuff. stuff.[/QUOTE] great idea aids medicine? fuck that cures for cancer? not if it hurts animals :(

I think it it's a necessary evil, unfortunately. We absolutely need to test new drugs someway. And until we find another method, I don't see another way. However, I do think that the test should be made so that the animals suffer the least amount possible.

medical experiments on animals are perfectly acceptable, how many lives could be saved by jabbing a needle in a rat? countless and I agree with malware about the cosmetics, 'tis pointless

i would say it is fine to test certain things on humans if they're not suffering from a mental illness or something so they know what they're doing.

If a hundred dead rats save even one human, it's definatly worth it. Medical advances would simply not be possible without animal testing. Sure, a few animals die, but think of the countless humans it will save in the long term! Short term sacrifice for long term gain!

This thread doesn't really make any sense since they already in a way do this. They start with tissue samples, then animals, then human volunteers before trying to release their product. They don't just go straight to animals like some mad scientist and then straight to marketing the drug.

With animals (more specifically mice) we can breed them to have or lack a specific gene that encodes specific proteins making them much more useful in initial tests to see if whatever you're testing is doing what you think it should do. And to add to what Canuhearmenow said, drugs still often fail during the animal testing phase and I'd personally rather animals that have been breed to do these tests to be lost than people regardless of how much they understand the risks.