I understand doing it because of the way livestock are treated, but if it's some argument about how it's bad for us or that somehow there's something wrong with animals eating animals, I couldn't care less.
[QUOTE=Noble;34599018]I can understand that there might be a lot of nutritional value in eating meats. However, what's stopping us from eating cats and dogs compared to any other animal?[/QUOTE]
They're cute and fuzzy and make good pets. Cattle...aren't. And don't.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34598924]We also have canines, something herbivores don't. The fact that we have them is proof we're supposed to be eating meat in some quantity[/QUOTE]
Do your research. There are herbivore animals that have canines. Gorillas are herbivores and have canines. Same with hippos. Same with some deer species. same with some types of herbivore pandas. The whole canine argument is stupid and it's funny that people still use it in 2012
We do have a digestive system fit for omnivores however.
[QUOTE=Simski;34600837]We do have a digestive system fit for omnivores however.[/QUOTE]
Yes I'm with you on that one. We do have a digestive system that is very close to herbivore ones however, but has omnivore features that I think have developed overtime when humans started eating meat. Humans have the choice to be omnivores, but I think it's stupid for people to say vegetarianism is unhealthy and that humans should not practice it, and I think it's stupid for vegetarians to say the same thing to Omnivores. If a vegetarian gets enough protein from beans and other vegetarian products, he will be COMPLETELY fine. If the omnivore doesn't overeat proteins from animals (which is very easy because animals have a lot of protein in their meat) then he will also be completely fine.
I think humans can go both ways completely fine.
There are unhealthy vegetarians that eat candy bars and chips all day, and there are unhealthy omnivores who eat double cheeseburgers all the time with extra mayo. It depends on the person and how he plans his diet.
I'm a vegetarian. Maybe I could answer some questions? I mean, everything has it's advantages/disadvantages.
I eat meat and am fully willing to admit that it is pretty unethical. But I continue to eat it because its easy to get and its really fuckin' tasty.
Don't really care what vegetarians do, if they enjoy it and dont want to force it on me, more power to them. Thats the great part about being an omnivore, we can handle both diets.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;34601093]Thats the great part about being an omnivore, we can handle both diets.[/QUOTE]
Yes I have gone weeks not eating meat just to see how it feels, and I felt just as healthy as when I do eat meat. We can go both ways just fine.
[QUOTE=dogfood123;34601100]Yes I have gone weeks not eating meat just to see how it feels, and I felt just as healthy as when I do eat meat. We can go both ways just fine.[/QUOTE]
Me and my room mate went vegetarian for a week, wasnt nearly as bad as we thought it would be. Though I have a feeling if we had gone on longer it would have gotten old quick.
The Wendy's triple cheeseburgers we ate at the end of the week were [I]heavenly[/I], admittedly. :v:
in the west it's perfectly possible to go all vegetarian.
it's people in the other parts of the world that rely on meat for protein and fat that would have troubles with it.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34601176]in the west it's perfectly possible to go all vegetarian.
it's people in the other parts of the world that rely on meat for protein and fat that would have troubles with it.[/QUOTE]
The other parts of the world have all of the same shit that the west has. I live in Asia and can find exactly what you guys can find.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34601176]in the west it's perfectly possible to go all vegetarian.
it's people in the other parts of the world that rely on meat for protein and fat that would have troubles with it.[/QUOTE]
Technically we can go even further and completely abandon all organic food in the west
meal replacement shake and multivitamin master race!!
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[QUOTE=dogfood123;34601190]The other parts of the world have all of the same shit that the west has. I live in Asia and can find exactly what you guys can find.[/QUOTE]
He's talking about certain third world countries. A lot of people can't just march down to their local health food store and get supplemental substances for whatever their diet is lacking in like we can.
I'm fine with them as long as they don't go on about how it's "murdering animals"
to which I just retort "We've been killing animals for survival since we were goddamn monkeys, why would I change that habit now?"
[QUOTE=thisispain;34601176]in the west it's perfectly possible to go all vegetarian.
it's people in the other parts of the world that rely on meat for protein and fat that would have troubles with it.[/QUOTE]
It's not very realistic to think we ever will though.
If we stop now, we'll have Mexican pig cartels making big bucks by smuggling meat into the US.
There only ever been one thing that turned me into the "pushy vegetarian" type that keeps getting mentioned. I was watching some nature program with the rest of my family when a seal began to chase this penguin for food, Its massive frame baring down on it as the penguin's feet slipped on the ice and it fell closer to it's doom. Within seconds the meat eating half of my family were cowering behind pillows begging for the channel to be changed while me and my vegetarian father looked at them in confusion.
If you can't stand that sight or concept of an animal being killed, ESPECIALY if it's for another animal's survival and regardless of the killed animal's appearance, you shouldn't eat meat.
[QUOTE=dogfood123;34601190]The other parts of the world have all of the same shit that the west has. I live in Asia and can find exactly what you guys can find.[/QUOTE]
This fact is simply not true. Only 2 billion people have diets as full of meat as we do in britain/america.
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[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34601648]I'm fine with them as long as they don't go on about how it's "murdering animals"
to which I just retort "We've been killing animals for survival since we were goddamn monkeys, why would I change that habit now?"[/QUOTE]
That argument is piss poor. You [I]can't[/I] appeal to belief to justify belief without arguing circularly.
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[QUOTE=Simski;34601663]It's not very realistic to think we ever will though.
If we stop now, we'll have Mexican pig cartels making big bucks by smuggling meat into the US.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure thisispain's position isn't that we should make meat illegal (because that would be fucking stupid). He's merely saying it's possible for us to individually decide to quit eating meat. Even Einstein said "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
[I]If[/I] they are indeed vegetarian to protest against animals being murdered, I cannot understand their point. Their diet excluding meat will not decrease the amount of animals being slaughtered to feed the rest of us, however it is their lifestyle and honestly I could care less about what they do.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;34602564]I'm pretty sure thisispain's position isn't that we should make meat illegal (because that would be fucking stupid). He's merely saying it's possible for us to individually decide to quit eating meat. Even Einstein said "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."[/QUOTE]
Sure you could, but what's the point if you generally don't like the taste and find it very bothersome to properly prepare vegetarian meals? The "it's more ethical because animals are killed to make food" is redundant since there will never be enough vegetarians to have a significant impact on the meat industry and animals will be slaughtered at the exact same rate as before.
I barely have any good reason to become a vegetarian. All my relatives eat meat, so I would be forcing my relatives to prepare extra meals to suit my choices if I'm invited to dinner. The amount of variation when visiting restaurants is decreased significantly. I don't know much at all about all the types of vegetables and things I would have to include in my every meal to ensure that I'm eating healthy, and thinking about all of these things will make cooking a lot more complex for someone who still has mostly just very basic cooking skills. Lastly, there's simply too much vegetables that I find simply despicable.
If I were to become a vegetarian, it would be because I wanted to lose weight and eat more healthy, and if I had a roomie or partner that was a vegetarian and knew a lot about how to prepare your meals. It would in all other scenarios not be worth the trouble.
how can you say "i don't like the taste of vegetarian meals" when it literally encompasses every single foodstuff that isn't meat
[QUOTE=DuncanFrost;34603320]how can you say "i don't like the taste of vegetarian meals" when it literally encompasses every single foodstuff that isn't meat[/QUOTE]
You see, most people who don't know what vegetarianism truly is think that vegetarians sit there eating carrots all day.
That's not true at all.
Look at all the vegetarian recipes out there, there is an INSANE amount. Indians and other asian countries have giant vegetarian cuisines and I have eaten vegetarian foods that taste 100 times better than meat foods, but I can't cook well. If I could cook properly, I would have gone permanent vegetarian a long time ago. I just cut down on the meats a lot now because I ate too much of it as a kid. I have to admit, cooking a simple delicious chicken breast takes much less effort than preparing a tastier vegetarian meal in my opinion.
[QUOTE=DuncanFrost;34603320]how can you say "i don't like the taste of vegetarian meals" when it literally encompasses every single foodstuff that isn't meat[/QUOTE]
I didn't say "I don't like the taste of vegetarian meals", I said "I think a lot of vegetables taste horrible".
[QUOTE=Simski;34603414]I didn't say "I don't like the taste of vegetarian meals", I said "I think a lot of vegetables taste horrible".[/QUOTE]
That's why you cook them, like you do with any meat.
[QUOTE=Simski;34603414]I didn't say "I don't like the taste of vegetarian meals", I said "I think a lot of vegetables taste horrible".[/QUOTE]
Do you hate a lot of vegetables both cooked and raw?
I'm personally a meat-lover, but I think one day we will all have to be vegetarian. Raising animals to eat (especially big ones like cows) is a huge waste of energy and nutrients, something we won't be able to do when we have twice the population we have now. Eating vegetables would cut the middlemen (animals) out, giving us more energy efficiency.
[QUOTE=dogfood123;34603432]Do you hate a lot of vegetables both cooked and raw?[/QUOTE]
Yes
[QUOTE=Simski;34596275]If the killing is of an creature that does not have complex thoughts or emotions, or if they're inherently evil (horses), the killing is done in a humane way, the the killing is for a good cause (giving people food), then I am not morally against it. I am against using inhumane methods and living conditions.
Suffering, sentience, usefulness, upsides, downsides... it's all relevant.
I like to think of it as "the greater good, with realism included".[/QUOTE]
wait... did you call horses inherently evil?
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;34603493]wait... did you call horses inherently evil?[/QUOTE]
I do not like horses >:C
[QUOTE=dogfood123;34588130]That's interesting. Has anyone ever made you feel uncomfortable because of your views? or bothered you about them[/QUOTE]
My friends love to give me a hard time. It usually doesn't bother me, but sometimes it gets a little too obnoxious. I never try to force my views on people, and expect the same courtesy in return.
[QUOTE=dogfood123;34603432]Do you hate a lot of vegetables both cooked and raw?[/QUOTE]
I hate most any vegetable, and the ones I do like, only when prepared as a meal with meat.
As a vegetarian (Out of my own choice) I can still say that PETA can fuck right off.
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