Vegetarians - Your thoughts on them - General

[QUOTE=benjojo;34604369]As a vegetarian (Out of my own choice) I can still say that PETA can fuck right off.[/QUOTE] That's the spirit! :P I remember my 3rd grade teacher forced us to send letters to PETA telling them how great of an organization they are. I called them evil in my letter. I was the only one they didn't reply to lol

I see nothing wrong with it unless you are one of those real in your face lunatics about it. I personally think it's unhealthy and I do like to eat meat but to each his own.

[QUOTE=Simski;34603524]I do not like horses >:C[/QUOTE] well that's still a pretty horrible justification for eating animals.

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;34601093]I eat meat and am fully willing to admit that it is pretty unethical. But I continue to eat it because its easy to get and its really fuckin' tasty. Don't really care what vegetarians do, if they enjoy it and dont want to force it on me, more power to them. Thats the great part about being an omnivore, we can handle both diets.[/QUOTE] Unethical? Are you trying to tell me that lions and wolfs and other carnivore creatures are unethical as well?

[QUOTE=The one that is;34610128]Unethical? Are you trying to tell me that lions and wolfs and other carnivore creatures are unethical as well?[/QUOTE] No, since they don't have a choice in the matter, and even if they did, they're too stupid to think about their actions in that way.

[QUOTE=LCBADs;34610167]No, since they don't have a choice in the matter, and even if they did, they're too stupid to think about their actions in that way.[/QUOTE] Nice contradiction

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;34610076]well that's still a pretty horrible justification for eating animals.[/QUOTE] It wasn't a justification for eating animals, it was just his opinion on horses.

[QUOTE=LCBADs;34610167]No, since they don't have a choice in the matter, and even if they did, they're too stupid to think about their actions in that way.[/QUOTE] Can't tell if LCBAD is just a bad poster or posts bad because he's too stupid to think about his words.

[QUOTE=EditOutJ;34611050]It wasn't a justification for eating animals, it was just his opinion on horses.[/QUOTE] No, in an earlier post he said one reason eating animals is okay is because "some are inherently evil... like horses".

[QUOTE=The one that is;34611745]Can't tell if LCBAD is just a bad poster or posts bad because he's too stupid to think about his words.[/QUOTE] I have a reputation now? You make me feel so special. [editline]8th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers2;34610300]Nice contradiction[/QUOTE] me being an idiot, you'll have to explain what contradiction i made

I am personally a carnivore, but I think Vegetarian cuisines are fucking delicious if you get the right ones. Expensive as fuck, but really delicious!

I don`t care, don't hurt me or someone else it's fine in my book, just.. don't shove it down my throat trying to convert me please?

I don't really care as long as they don't prance around pretending that they're saving the animals or some bullshit like that.

I'm piscitarian and I get a massive amount of shit for what I eat. For those that don't know a Piscitarian is like a vegetarian but they include fish in their diet too.

I think they're a very brave sort of people. Going a month without a cheeseburger, chicken parmesan, morning sausage and egg sandwich, etc/ is an idea I find impossible.

I dont have a problem with it except it has shown to lower testorone levels. Combine that with the already average low test and that is not a good thing.

Vegetarian diets may be closer to what humans eat in their "Natural" state when they were tribal hunter-gatherers, but that is not necessarily a good thing. It's fine when done for personal reasons, and you get the correct nutritional requirements in the process. What's bullshit however is when people practice it for the purported health benefits or for ethical reasons. The former is flawed based upon the quality of the food you take in, and the latter on how prevalent animal products are in everyday use and the fact that animals kill and eat each other without regard for ethics.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34613858]Vegetarian diets may be closer to what humans eat in their "Natural" state when they were tribal hunter-gatherers, but that is not necessarily a good thing. It's fine when done for personal reasons, and you get the correct nutritional requirements in the process. What's bullshit however is when people practice it for the purported health benefits or for ethical reasons. The former is flawed based upon the quality of the food you take in, and the latter on how prevalent animal products are in everyday use and the fact that animals kill and eat each other without regard for ethics.[/QUOTE] how is it unhealthy? it's definitely more healthy than the typical westerners diet of meat and carbs (which I bet both you and I eat).

It's a futile attempt at seeming empathetic if you ask me. Me, I don't give a fuck about cows. Humans are the "master race" of nature, so fuck em'. They're delicious and stupid. Animals, not vegetarians. I've never tasted a vegetarian.

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;34614295]how is it unhealthy? it's definitely more healthy than the typical westerners diet of meat and carbs (which I bet both you and I eat).[/QUOTE] It's not unhealthy, it's just not any more healthy. The general population in western societies, eat like shit, regardless of meat being included in their diet or not. If you ate a diet of a wide variety of meats, fruits, vegetables and grains and exercised on a regular basis, you would be hard pressed to find ways to improve your "health" (which is really subjective and a dumb topic). Good luck finding many people who eat like this though, mcdonalds is just too damn tasty and sitting on your ass requires less effort than doing things.

[QUOTE=LCBADs;34612122]I have a reputation now? You make me feel so special. [editline]8th February 2012[/editline] me being an idiot, you'll have to explain what contradiction i made[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=LCBADs;34610167]No, since they don't have a choice in the matter, and even if they did, they're too stupid to think about their actions in that way.[/QUOTE] 'They don't have a choice, but even if they do, they don't.'

I'm a vegetarian because I've killed meat-purposed farm animals with my bare hands for food and I'd prefer not to inflict that kind of suffering if I can help it.

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;34614295]how is it unhealthy? it's definitely more healthy than the typical westerners diet of meat and carbs (which I bet both you and I eat).[/QUOTE] Its no more healthy. Health is also defined by many other factors such as exercise and keeping the lungs clear of tar. Also the Westerners diet originated from the Middle East, if you are talking about a society based around eating grain and rearing livestock. It is not inherently unhealthy either. What's a greater oddity than a omnivore diet is the herbivore one as humans spent the past few million years digesting both meat and plants as soon as they got their hands on the stuff.

I will say that (as a vegetarian) your weight will become a fragile thing. I can lose weight either unbelievably fast (if I just so happen to accidentally omit a particular food group) or put it on unbelievably fast (which sucks being a heavyish weed smoker hahaha), but you couldn't tell I were a vegetarian by looking at me at all. Broad shouldered, quite built with some fat and no sign whatsoever of pale skin (anemia). You just gotta know your shit, and that comes with experience more than anything as it becomes your perogative to watch what you eat.

[QUOTE=The one that is;34610128]Unethical? Are you trying to tell me that lions and wolfs and other carnivore creatures are unethical as well?[/QUOTE] Allow me to dissect this argument. Are you saying that what happens in nature, with beasts, is totally morally permissible, and we should apply the same moral standards to humans? "Animals eat meat and it is essential to their survival, so it cannot be unethical. Therefore, it is permissible for us to eat meat." is that your argument? because by the same logic I could just say "Animals rape one another and it is essential to their survival (survival of inferior beast's genes), so it cannot be unethical. Therefore, it is permissible for us to rape one another." Basically, if you appeal to "nature" or the actions of beasts in ethical debate, you're using a [I]very[/I] weak argument.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;34616180]'They don't have a choice, but even if they do, they don't.'[/QUOTE] Their digestive systems can't process the necessary nutrients from plants alone, and food is too scarce in their natural environment to be that picky anyway - that's why they don't have a choice. Even if they could process everything they needed from plants, and there were enough plants around to do so, they're too stupid to make the conscious decision to avoid eating meat in the interest of protecting the rights of fellow animals. I thought this was rather clear. Sorry for miscommunicating.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34616784]Its no more healthy. Health is also defined by many other factors such as exercise and keeping the lungs clear of tar.[/QUOTE] but that's not what we're debating you idiot

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34616784]Its no more healthy. Health is also defined by many other factors such as exercise and keeping the lungs clear of tar.[/QUOTE] How is that even relevant? Just because you can get hit by a bus and die it doesn't mean a healthy diet isn't still an integral part of being healthy. [editline]9th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=JaegerMonster;34614886]It's not unhealthy, it's just not any more healthy. The general population in western societies, eat like shit, regardless of meat being included in their diet or not. If you ate a diet of a wide variety of meats, fruits, vegetables and grains and exercised on a regular basis, you would be hard pressed to find ways to improve your "health" (which is really subjective and a dumb topic). Good luck finding many people who eat like this though, mcdonalds is just too damn tasty and sitting on your ass requires less effort than doing things.[/QUOTE] Again, being easy or convenient isn't of any great moral value. Just because it's easier and more convenient to steal some guy's wallet when he's not looking than earn your money, you'd scarcely say it legitimises the act. Also you're making a pretty controversial claim, to say that health is subjective. Surely the capacity to do more things with your life (including living for longer) is a pretty objective measurement of how healthy you are?

My family are vegetarians, but it is mainly because of trying to keep our carbon footprint little. I forget the number now, but vegetarians compared to meat eaters have a much smaller carbon foot print, due to all the processes that happen into making meat, and all the energy used in these processes. However I am put off my self in future living due to heavy costs of other things to complimentary the daily needs what meat gives, such as protein, it can get very pricey..

Back to the subject, vegitarians have their reasons and we should respect that, however those pro-PETA assholes should think about why animals eat other animals and how plants feel (it has been scientifically proven that plants feel pain) and also why humans have canines...