[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49798881]
And if you willingly choose to drink that much, then as far as I'm concerned you're responsible for whatever stupid shit you end up doing.[/QUOTE]
if you're so drunk you have no idea what you're doing, it's your own fault
but if you drink a little more and you pass out, then it's rape
what?
[QUOTE=Jund;49798992]if you're so drunk you have no idea what you're doing, it's your own fault
but if you drink a little more and you pass out, then it's rape
what?[/QUOTE]
There's a pretty clear cut difference between being drunk as shit and being completely unable to speak for yourself.
The reason it's your fault if you're drunk and make poor decisions is because nobody made you drink but yourself.
You are absolutely responsible for knowing your limits and if you exceed them, then anything you do is directly your fault. With exceptions, of course.
[QUOTE=Jund;49798992]if you're so drunk you have no idea what you're doing, it's your own fault
but if you drink a little more and you pass out, then it's rape
what?[/QUOTE]
what you choose to do while drunk is your fault
what other people do to you while you're unconscious is their fault
I don't think it's really that complicated
[QUOTE=Protocol7;49799012]There's a pretty clear cut difference between being drunk as shit and being completely unable to speak for yourself.
The reason it's your fault if you're drunk and make poor decisions is because nobody made you drink but yourself.
You are absolutely responsible for knowing your limits and if you exceed them, then anything you do is directly your fault. With exceptions, of course.[/QUOTE]
and this doesn't fall under those exceptions? what would those exceptions be?
[QUOTE=Jund;49799037]and this doesn't fall under those exceptions? what would those exceptions be?[/QUOTE]
What is "this"? Drinking excessively and making poor decisions? Drinking excessively and having sex with someone?
[QUOTE=Protocol7;49799049]What is "this"? Drinking excessively and making poor decisions? Drinking excessively and having sex with someone?[/QUOTE]
the latter
and what are those exceptions?
okay question
What if one person is (very) drunk, the other is sober, but the drunk person is the initiator, but they then regret it the morning after?
i'm not under the misconception that slightly tipsy sex is rape because someone regrets it the day after
do rape accusations like that happen? yeah, of course they do. but that doesn't nullify that there are people who also take advantage of people who clearly aren't in a right state of mind
[QUOTE=Jund;49799078]i'm not under the misconception that slightly tipsy sex is rape because someone regrets it the day after
do rape accusations like that happen? yeah, of course they do. but that doesn't nullify that there are people who also take advantage of people who clearly aren't in a right state of mind[/QUOTE]
but here's the thing
you're choosing to fuck yourself up
like, yeah, if someone notices you're drunk and asks if you want to fuck, maybe that isn't the most neighborly thing to do, but if you've gotten yourself so smashed that you say yes when normally you'd never agree to it then it's kind of your fault for choosing to get that fucking smashed
This is the responsibility you take on when you choose to inhibit your own judgement. If you can't handle that responsibility, then you shouldn't be drinking.
[QUOTE=Jund;49799060]the latter
and what are those exceptions?[/QUOTE]
I take it back. There are no exceptions.
Because if you're too drunk to make good decisions, you're still responsible for getting to that point.
Sure, situations arise where you may become more intoxicated than expected, but that's not usually the case, is it?
[QUOTE=elowin;49799071]okay question
What if one person is (very) drunk, the other is sober, but the drunk person is the initiator, but they then regret it the morning after?[/QUOTE]
it depends
we'll never really know if the drunk person was honestly giving consent at the time or not. of course, court systems are innocent until proven guilty so it would be an uphill battle for them either way
if they were bullshitting, the sober one is also partly responsible for being put into their situation because they were in a position to make a proper decision. not like skipping out of a night of sex would kill them
[QUOTE=Jund;49799110]it depends
we'll never really know if the drunk person was honestly giving consent at the time or not. of course, court systems are innocent until proven guilty so it would be an uphill battle for them either way
if they were bullshitting, the sober one is also partly responsible for being put into their situation because they were in a position to make a proper decision. not like skipping out of a night of sex would kill them[/QUOTE]
well if it really is [I]impossible[/I] to prove then ideally no one would ever be convicted
[QUOTE=Jund;49799110]it depends
we'll never really know if the drunk person was honestly giving consent at the time or not. of course, court systems are innocent until proven guilty so it would be an uphill battle for them either way
if they were bullshitting, the sober one is also partly responsible for being put into their situation because they were in a position to make a proper decision. not like skipping out of a night of sex would kill them[/QUOTE]
uhh, again, in this scenario the drunk person is the initiator.
like just to make it super duper explit what kind of situation i mean, let's say we have a drunk girl and a sober guy, and the drunk girl pushes the sober guy down on the couch and rides his dick, but then the morning after she regrets it
[QUOTE=elowin;49799285]uhh, again, in this scenario the drunk person is the initiator.
like just to make it super duper explit what kind of situation i mean, let's say we have a drunk girl and a sober guy, and the drunk girl pushes the sober guy down on the couch and rides his dick, but then the morning after she regrets it[/QUOTE]
and if she accuses him of rape she would have to prove it in court
and if the sober guy didn't want to risk going to court at all he could just say no
[QUOTE=Jund;49799615]and if she accuses him of rape she would have to prove it in court
and if the sober guy didn't want to risk going to court at all he could just say no[/QUOTE]
how is he supposed to prove he said no
like, you're just demonstrating why this could never function in the real world
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49799163]well if it really is [I]impossible[/I] to prove then ideally no one would ever be convicted[/QUOTE]
ideally no one would ever be convicted of crimes they didn't commit, but that is a problem stemming from society and the court system, not from the definition of the crime
yes people are convicted of rape when they're innocent, but the same applies to theft and murder. fixing these problems doesn't mean we have to invalidate the entire court system until they're fixed, and it doesn't mean rape accusations should be thrown out because there are some instances of them being falsified
i would say for the majority of the time the system works
[QUOTE=Jund;49799667]ideally no one would ever be convicted of crimes they didn't commit, but that is a problem stemming from society and the court system, not from the definition of the crime
yes people are convicted of rape when they're innocent, but the same applies to theft and murder. fixing these problems doesn't mean we have to invalidate the entire court system until they're fixed, and it doesn't mean rape accusations should be thrown out because there are some instances of them being falsified
i would say for the majority of the time the system works[/QUOTE]
Okay so, forgive me, I'm not trying to be rude by any stretch, but I'm legitimately confused as to the point you are trying to make.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49799646]how is he supposed to prove he said no
like, you're just demonstrating why this could never function in the real world[/QUOTE]
how do you prove that you DIDN'T have sex with someone? is this a real question?
why would he even have to prove that he didn't dick someone if there's no evidence that he did... because he didn't do it?
[QUOTE=Protocol7;49799676]Okay so, forgive me, I'm not trying to be rude by any stretch, but I'm legitimately confused as to the point you are trying to make.[/QUOTE]
if the person is so drunk that they cannot give proper consent they should be allowed to take it to court if they so choose without the case being immediately thrown out
for instances where the person simply regrets having sex the morning after, the burden of proof still falls on them to prove that they were drunk enough though evidence (like testimony) and it's up to the jury to decide. if there is insufficient evidence then the defendant should not be convicted, and the defendant can counter for defamation
the court has a margin of error, same as for all crimes, but i feel that most times it works
all of this can be avoided if the sober person chooses to not have sex with someone's who's drunk
[editline]23rd February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;49799689]if someone makes the choice to have sex, no matter how out of mind they are due to alcohol(that they willingly drank themselves to), and later regrets it, it is not rape just because you weren't in 100% the optimal state of mind. If that person was forced into sex and because of alcohol they couldn't resist physically, its rape.
is it so hard[/QUOTE]
being at uni you can go into a dorm apartment any friday night and see people so piss drunk you can ask them if they shove eels up their ass for fun and there's a decent chance that they'll say yes
[editline]23rd February 2016[/editline]
yes they will still be partly responsible for anything that can and does happen to them, but that doesn't absolve the sober person of crime
buying drinks for someone til they're so drunk they can barely walk and asking them to give you their wallet and they actually do it due to their intoxication doesn't mean you can keep the wallet
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;49802352]man that's one drawn out weak joke[/QUOTE]
Welcome to Amy Schumer's brand of comedy.
[QUOTE=bdd458;49796267]holy shit I actually found the screencap I took of that shitty alcohol education shit.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/JXEmgHW.png[/t]
Wish I had screencapped the other captions, they were funny too as far as I remember.[/QUOTE]
Oh I did those too
[img]http://i.imgur.com/RjSdHhw.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Paynith;49798867]I'll suggest everyone do exactly what I do to prevent myself from ever committing rape.
Everyday, 24/7, I carry around 1 large raw [b]potato[/b]. Even when I sleep I keep it on my nightstand. So that in the event that the desire to rape grows, whether in reality or during my dreams, I can eat it and regain my composure.
As a white male I can't help it any other way; rape is who I am.[/QUOTE]
:scream:
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;49802352]man that's one drawn out weak joke[/QUOTE]
I wonder where she stole this one from? :smug:
[QUOTE=Jund;49796504]except it isn't because the crime isn't having sex, the crime is taking advantage of someone to have sex. if you hand over your wallet while in a proper state of mind, who's taking advantage of the other?[/QUOTE]
hey wanna have sex
yes
I WAS DRUNK YOU RAPED ME
hey wanna give me your wallet
yes
I WAS DRUNK BUT YOU'RE NOT A THIEF FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN PURPOSE OF MY ARGUMENT THAT ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS
[highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=JundHasDowns;49807060]hey wanna have sex
yes
I WAS DRUNK YOU RAPED ME
hey wanna give me your wallet
yes
I WAS DRUNK BUT YOU'RE NOT A THIEF FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN PURPOSE OF MY ARGUMENT THAT ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS[/QUOTE]
how butthurt are you that you had to make a new account just for this post lmao
[editline]24th February 2016[/editline]
truly i'm flattered
[editline]24th February 2016[/editline]
your post doesn't even make any sense
[QUOTE=Jund;49807086]how butthurt are you that you had to make a new account just for this post lmao
[editline]24th February 2016[/editline]
truly i'm flattered
[editline]24th February 2016[/editline]
your post doesn't even make any sense[/QUOTE]
How butthurt are you you spent so much time you posted three times? And how retarded do you have to be to not even understand basic English?
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;49802352]man that's one drawn out weak joke[/QUOTE]
Best to not give attention to an artist that steals like 99% of her work.
[QUOTE=JundHasDowns;49807132]How butthurt are you you spent so much time you posted three times? And how retarded do you have to be to not even understand basic English?[/QUOTE]
Posting? On a forum where you make posts?
Unspeakable.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49791617][media]https://youtu.be/CGUBFjxViGQ[/media][/QUOTE]
This guy seems to think he's funny. 'Oh no duh warning alert', 'they keep saying not anymore'.
This video is not funny. Rape is not funny. I get how this show he seems to be dissecting may be a bit of a "stereotypical cringe" type video/approach. However, he is essentially taking this joke too far. I am not someone who cannot take a joke, and I am saying this is too far - which is saying something right?
It is genuinely true about the fact rape was not properly addressed "back in the day", and that for the most part, it still isn't to a fantastic standard now, and is something in which authorities are striving towards improving.
It is most certainly not something to be making jokes about. We are lucky in our MEDC that we have laws to protect us from such vile criminal acts. Most LEDC's have an epidemic of rape going on, which is quite frankly inhumane, and not being addressed how it should be.
How about, instead of making these jokey videos, people focus more on helping those less fortunate than ourselves in such devastating circumstances? Or even, help ourselves develop more awareness, and defense for the act? Remember, it's not just women who get affected by this issue. It is men too, which a lot of people seem to over look, even today.
[editline]25th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=JundHasDowns;49807060]hey wanna have sex
yes
I WAS DRUNK YOU RAPED ME
hey wanna give me your wallet
yes
I WAS DRUNK BUT YOU'RE NOT A THIEF FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN PURPOSE OF MY ARGUMENT THAT ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS
[highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick" - Craptasket))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
All men are not rapists. Statistically speaking, there are more male rapists than female, however, this does not mean that female rapists do not exist.
In addition, according to the law, having sex with a man/woman while they are drunk, is considered as a rape act because they are not in a stable state of mind. This again, has been debated about whether it should be counted as rape or not because a they can give consent when they are drunk. This is a problem, and I think should be reviewed.
A short while ago, BBC 3 made a documentary about what is classified as rape (including a case of drunken sexual acts). Here is a link: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJl7bbWbhAc[/url]
[QUOTE=GisG56;49808930]This guy seems to think he's funny. 'Oh no duh warning alert', 'they keep saying not anymore'.
This video is not funny. Rape is not funny. I get how this show he seems to be dissecting may be a bit of a "stereotypical cringe" type video/approach. However, he is essentially taking this joke too far. I am not someone who cannot take a joke, and I am saying this is too far - which is saying something right?
It is genuinely true about the fact rape was not properly addressed "back in the day", and that for the most part, it still isn't to a fantastic standard now, and is something in which authorities are striving towards improving.
It is most certainly not something to be making jokes about. We are lucky in our MEDC that we have laws to protect us from such vile criminal acts. Most LEDC's have an epidemic of rape going on, which is quite frankly inhumane, and not being addressed how it should be.
How about, instead of making these jokey videos, people focus more on helping those less fortunate than ourselves in such devastating circumstances? Or even, help ourselves develop more awareness, and defense for the act? Remember, it's not just women who get affected by this issue. It is men too, which a lot of people seem to over look, even today.
[editline]25th February 2016[/editline]
All men are not rapists. Statistically speaking, there are more male rapists than female, however, this does not mean that female rapists do not exist.
In addition, according to the law, having sex with a man/woman while they are drunk, is considered as a rape act because they are not in a stable state of mind. This again, has been debated about whether it should be counted as rape or not because a they can give consent when they are drunk. This is a problem, and I think should be reviewed.
A short while ago, BBC 3 made a documentary about what is classified as rape (including a case of drunken sexual acts). Here is a link: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJl7bbWbhAc[/url][/QUOTE]
mr eddups is adressing the fact that a "rape quiz" is a shitty way to raise awareness. Did that point flew over your head completely?
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