[QUOTE=Brt5470;42011897]You may not like PDP, but it's not "easy". It's not something you do an hour a week. I can assure you that he puts in over 40 hours a week into it. And I'd imagine he also has someone he hires to help him.
That's typical for big channels.[/QUOTE]
Its the content creators fault for putting in 40 hours a week. If they can't create something good enough for people to turn adblock off, then find another way to support yourself.Stop begging for people to watch the ads.
I use adblock to block those shitty ads inside porn sites.
If a site wants me to disable my adblock inside its boundaries, i do it without hesitation.
Everyone should.
I really don't get the ad business. I feel like the people that pay for ads are throwing their money out of their window. Who genuinly clicks on an internet ad?
[QUOTE=Titusmcgee;42012709]Its the content creators fault for putting in 40 hours a week. If they can't create something good enough for people to turn adblock off, then find another way to support yourself.Stop begging for people to watch the ads.[/QUOTE]
You're really misunderstanding it. No content creator is really allowed to tell it's viewers to watch ads specifically, infact it's against contract. What they are saying is, don't just do a blanket block on everything. They rely on the natural use of ads with them just being a facet of the media consumption. That's the job of the advertisers, as many times the content creator doesn't have specific control over which ads, simply which kind of ad.
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[QUOTE=Desuh;42012911]I really don't get the ad business. I feel like the people that pay for ads are throwing their money out of their window. Who genuinely clicks on an internet ad?[/QUOTE]
I have at times. I've only purchased one thing through an advertisement though.
people blocking ads is only an issue if you're money grubbing. i'm not going to watch and click ads ever, i wouldn't suffer if people stopped making the same old youtube videos and acting entitled to this revenue just makes you come off as an asshole.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;42010988]You act like doing online work for youtube or any other site is somehow easy.[/QUOTE]
recording yourself playing a game and talking over it is not hard, anyone can do this. acting entitled to a paycheck for doing so is even worse.
if people want money for the content they produce, they should make good, original content that isn't the same as every other bottom of the barrel youtuber's content, and ask for donations from their viewers. not only would they end up making more money in the long run, many more people will appreciate their work for making something memorable and fresh rather than the same shit you can find anywhere else.
I don't want to use ad-block, but every time I shut it off for some reason I remember why I installed it in the first place.
I only use adblock to disable those ads that automatically start playing a video or audio that is hidden on the website or don't have a mute button. Those are the most annoying types of ads.
Also fuck those 10 ads that only say "DOWNLOAD NOW" on the same page as the download link you want.
[QUOTE][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Brt5470;42012962]You're really misunderstanding it. No content creator is really allowed to tell it's viewers to watch ads specifically, infact it's against contract. What they are saying is, don't just do a blanket block on everything. They rely on the natural use of ads with them just being a facet of the media consumption. That's the job of the advertisers, as many times the content creator doesn't have specific control over which ads, simply which kind of ad.[/QUOTE]
They aren't be paid, find a better way to support yourself. These people need to adapt to the way the internet is changing, with no ads.
The video is e-begging for you to turn off your adblock.
[QUOTE=popbob;42013046]recording yourself playing a game and talking over it is not hard, anyone can do this. acting entitled to a paycheck for doing so is even worse.
if people want money for the content they produce, they should make good, original content that isn't the same as every other bottom of the barrel youtuber's content, and ask for donations from their viewers. not only would they end up making more money in the long run, many more people will appreciate their work for making something memorable and fresh rather than the same shit you can find anywhere else.[/QUOTE]
But it is. Running a youtube channel requires effort and something called time. Time it not limitless and 24 hours is not very much. It's easy to get stressed considering, creating content, editing, rendering, uploading takes time.
[QUOTE=SweFox*;42013220]But it is. Running a youtube channel requires effort and something called time. Time it not limitless and 24 hours is not very much. It's easy to get stressed considering, creating content, editing, rendering, uploading takes time.[/QUOTE]
Not everything needs to be made in 24 hours.
I'm loving the recent trend of people on the internet bitching about adblock users.
I for one, will never ever ever ever disable my adblock. It sucks that people ain't getting any money, but it's not my fault and I'd like to continue to have a comfortable browsing experience.
[QUOTE=Titusmcgee;42013194]They aren't be paid, find a better way to support yourself. These people need to adapt to the way the internet is changing, with no ads.
The video is e-begging for you to turn off your adblock.[/QUOTE]
You think donations would keep someone on a livable wage? For many years now ads have provided a livable wage for a much broader spectrum of content, regardless of youtube. Pushing it to a subscription or donation system quite complicates the problem.
I mean, I'm totally for most of the ideas surrounding studios and stuff adapting to the new internet based world. And for a long time the SOLUTION was advertising to support the streaming of that program if it's not being directly paid for.
But now the new internet is an ad free environment? So you think MORE content should be up against a pay wall, or that it should rely on donations? You think that's reliable? Ads are consistent for large audiences, and vary from quarter to quarter perhaps as advertising budgets change, but you won't hit a point where suddenly no one feels gracious enough to continue to support you. If donations are not sustainable for someone, and many of your viewers are young, how do you expect to sustain that? Childrens entertainment online would crash unless some philanthropic group of people decide to keep it going. This happens many times for like PBS stations and such but thats not a fix for it, but simply a solution to perhaps a few content creators.
Ads are a universal way of paying for content, regardless if the person watching has money or not.
Ads are the reason why i don't watch TV. I don't want them on my youtube and other sites
[QUOTE=popbob;42013046]recording yourself playing a game and talking over it is not hard, anyone can do this. acting entitled to a paycheck for doing so is even worse.
if people want money for the content they produce, they should make good, original content that isn't the same as every other bottom of the barrel youtuber's content, and ask for donations from their viewers. not only would they end up making more money in the long run, many more people will appreciate their work for making something memorable and fresh rather than the same shit you can find anywhere else.[/QUOTE]
Being shitty at youtube is easy. Being successful is not.
Since we're still on the topic of PDP, let's delve in a bit more. This is not being entitled to a paycheck. Being an entitled to a paycheck is like PDP seeing say 10 million hits in the month of june, and let's just say, 1,000,000 ad impressions. He is owed X amount of money from his network Polaris by contract. He's entitled to that, contractually.
Requesting that the people who watch his content, turn off the mechanic that helps support his network which inturn supports him, I don't think in this case is really that savage. I'm not saying an ad supported system is the perfect one. But if we're to move from an ad supported system, it's going to take a long fucking time. I think the subscription system or a hybrid of it is indeed the future for many top youtubers coming in the future, as more content is made into a series and on a regular basis.
As far as work goes, if you think PDP hits record on his keyboard, and speaks into the mic for 10-15minutes, and just puts that up on youtube, you're really deluded. Give it a try. Recording is like 5-10% of the work on a channel, especially a channel as big as that. Let's be clear first of all, I don't like PDP's content at all. I can't stand it, but it doesn't make it just simply not take time to produce, regardless if you don't like it.
[QUOTE=Adarrek;42013361]Ads are the reason why i don't watch TV. I don't want them on my youtube and other sites[/QUOTE]
Netflix master race bitches
[QUOTE=Titusmcgee;42010643]Maybe if ill disable my adblock if you actually put out good content. You're making a living online and you're bitching when the gravy trains coming to a halt, perhaps you shouldn't have put all your eggs into the youtube basket.[/QUOTE]
That is always my point. People shouldn't be overly reliant on income from Youtube videos. You still need a job, and you still need to work, because like it or not, the content most of these people put out (Let's Plays, reviews, e.t.c) either don't require much effort or they rarely put in a lot of effort.
I like Total Biscuit, but I won't feel bad for him because he isn't making money off of a video where he sat down, [I]played a video game for an hour[/I], and talked. That isn't really "creating" that is just doing what you were already doing before you got on Youtube. You shouldn't expect to make lots of money on a hobby, you still need to put in back to society and on the ranking scale of "content" Let's Plays and other shit falls very far on the bottom of the list in comparison to "selling people food" or "building houses" or making a tangible good that takes time and effort to produce.
I mean, it is fine if you want to make money off of these things but don't complain when the income is low and especially don't complain if you decided to base all of your revenue off of it. Get a job like the rest of us or produce content that actually required more effort than sitting, playing video games, talking, and maybe some slight editing for some LPers. And of course different rules apply for channels like Corridor Digital that put a shitload of time and money into creating some valuable piece of entertainment.
[QUOTE=Titusmcgee;42010643]Maybe if ill disable my adblock if you actually put out good content. You're making a living online and you're bitching when the gravy trains coming to a halt, perhaps you shouldn't have put all your eggs into the youtube basket.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather donate directly to the content creator because fuck ads and their invasiveness.
I whitelist people I watch and people that [I]depend [/I] on ads.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;42013300]I'm loving the recent trend of people on the internet bitching about adblock users.
I for one, will never ever ever ever disable my adblock. It sucks that people ain't getting any money, but it's not my fault and I'd like to continue to have a comfortable browsing experience.[/QUOTE]
You can set it to allow ads on specific sites, you don't have to disable it entirely.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;42013452]That is always my point. People shouldn't be overly reliant on income from Youtube videos. You still need a job, and you still need to work, because like it or not, the content most of these people put out (Let's Plays, reviews, e.t.c) either don't require much effort or they rarely put in a lot of effort.
I like Total Biscuit, but I won't feel bad for him because he isn't making money off of a video where he sat down, [I]played a video game for an hour[/I], and talked. That isn't really "creating" that is just doing what you were already doing before you got on Youtube. You shouldn't expect to make lots of money on a hobby, you still need to put in back to society and on the ranking scale of "content" Let's Plays and other shit falls very far on the bottom of the list in comparison to "selling people food" or "building houses" or making a tangible good that takes time and effort to produce.
I mean, it is fine if you want to make money off of these things but don't complain when the income is low and especially don't complain if you decided to base all of your revenue off of it. Get a job like the rest of us or produce content that actually required more effort than sitting, playing video games, talking, and maybe some slight editing for some LPers. And of course different rules apply for channels like Corridor Digital that put a shitload of time and money into creating some valuable piece of entertainment.[/QUOTE]
Your logic could be applied to talk show hosts, radio personalities, or perhaps even authors.
Oh well he just sits there at the desk and talks to the guy about his movie.
Oh well the guy just sits in the studio and plays music and tells the time
Oh he just sits down and writes stuff.
Anything seems easy when you simplify it to such an extent.
[QUOTE=n0cturni;42013482]I'd rather donate directly to the content creator because fuck ads and their invasiveness.[/QUOTE]
Which would be a lovely thing to do. Many websites have subscriber models to remove ads. I think YT should enable a hybrid system for paid subscribers to be able to have no ads free of guilt and support the author.
Unfortunately it's an either or model right now.
Edit: Bottom line. Here is the deal. If you say "They should just make good content then I'll disable my adblock." Then you're not the target audience, and it basically doesn't concern you. If you like what they do, then they are probably talking to you to disable to the adblock.
I refuse to stop using Adblock 'cause If I hear "BUT WHAT IS CLOUD GAMING!?" one more time, I may murder someone.
I keep ads on the websites I like to support and I know I trust
Honestly I'd use an adblock that kept banner/targeted ads but blocked more than X amount of ads being shown on a page (aka only a max of 4-5 banner ads being shown, unlike some news websites that have fucking ads all over), blocked volume ads from ever showing, blocked video ads, blocked link ads, etc.
So you get this nice web experience that still supports websites that do "ethical" advertising but blocks all ads that do sound/video/etc or excessive advertisment.
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[QUOTE=Titusmcgee;42013194]They aren't be paid, find a better way to support yourself. These people need to adapt to the way the internet is changing, with no ads.
The video is e-begging for you to turn off your adblock.[/QUOTE]
"Get a real job!"
I'd consider turning off Adblock when viewing content where the content producer actually deserves some payment back for what he's done, but I don't want an ad network tracking what the fuck I'm doing, which forces me to block all ads, regardless of who the money goes to.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;42013314]You think donations would keep someone on a livable wage? For many years now ads have provided a livable wage for a much broader spectrum of content, regardless of youtube. Pushing it to a subscription or donation system quite complicates the problem.
I mean, I'm totally for most of the ideas surrounding studios and stuff adapting to the new internet based world. And for a long time the SOLUTION was advertising to support the streaming of that program if it's not being directly paid for.
But now the new internet is an ad free environment? So you think MORE content should be up against a pay wall, or that it should rely on donations? You think that's reliable? Ads are consistent for large audiences, and vary from quarter to quarter perhaps as advertising budgets change, but you won't hit a point where suddenly no one feels gracious enough to continue to support you. If donations are not sustainable for someone, and many of your viewers are young, how do you expect to sustain that? Childrens entertainment online would crash unless some philanthropic group of people decide to keep it going. This happens many times for like PBS stations and such but thats not a fix for it, but simply a solution to perhaps a few content creators.
Ads are a universal way of paying for content, regardless if the person watching has money or not.[/QUOTE]
People should put out content that's worth watching, not a one minute video of a shit animation that someone calls their "job". This shit with ads isn't working for them they need to get another job if they want more money. Some youtubers say youtube is their full time job, yet they never try and improve themselves artistically. After time passes and they see a drop in profit and they go blaming adblock. If their videos were good more people would turn adblock off for people they like.
Google inflates the value of its online advertising since it existed it is basically a false economy that is propped up at the expense of every customer and service user.Youtubers are getting way more money than they should from ads but so is Google to an even massiver extent everyone will suffer except google when this is no longer sustainable
I think ads are shit. They suck ass at doing their job, and the advertising agencies who create them mostly pump out shit that has nothing to do with the fucking product at all. They're annoying. 99.9% of the time they don't get me interested in a product. It sure as hell isn't about brand awareness either, because no matter how many times you play your shit commercial advertising your shit product, I'm not going to buy it. And I'll even mentally filter it, or do something else if I'm forced to watch your shit commercial. It makes me less aware of your product.
You know what I will buy? Something that doesn't suck ass. If it's legitimately good, and you have a product that doesn't suck ass, your commercial won't suck ass because it'll fucking sell itself. You won't have to air it 50 times either, because once you air it and people are aware of it, they'll tell other people. Those people will tell other people, and you'll achieve product success.
So the people complaining about Adblock can suck my dick and can go about finding product placement ventures with brands that don't suck dick if they really need ad revenue.
[QUOTE=Titusmcgee;42013590]People should put out content that's worth watching, not a one minute video of a shit animation that someone calls their "job". This shit with ads isn't working for them they need to get another job if they want more money. Some youtubers say youtube is their full time job, yet they never try and improve themselves artistically. After time passes and they see a drop in profit and they go blaming adblock. If their videos were good more people would turn adblock off for people they like.[/QUOTE]
This video was made in response to a pro-adblock campaign, not because they saw a drop in revenue. They even said they don't mind people using it that much; did you watch the video?
They at most asked people to disable it for specific sites. Is that such a big deal?
[QUOTE=Titusmcgee;42013590]People should put out content that's worth watching, not a one minute video of a shit animation that someone calls their "job". This shit with ads isn't working for them they need to get another job if they want more money. Some youtubers say youtube is their full time job, yet they never try and improve themselves artistically. After time passes and they see a drop in profit and they go blaming adblock. If their videos were good more people would turn adblock off for people they like.[/QUOTE]
I know what you're getting at and in some ways I agree, and here is roughly my reply that I added to one of my other posts.
[quote]Bottom line. Here is the deal. If you say "They should just make good content then I'll disable my adblock." Then you're not the target audience, and it basically doesn't concern you. If you like what they do, then they are probably talking to you to disable to the adblock.[/quote]
Along with this, youtube will tell you your amount of ads shown, versus views. So if from June to July your monthly viewcount went from 100k to 200k, but your number of ad impressions went from 20k to 5k, you can see a big problem. You can't directly say it's an ad blocker, but you can cross reference where views came from. Not all countries in the world are fully monetized. if you saw that 100k jump in views in like... saudi arabia or something, that might not be monetized, you'd see NO effect on income since that place in the world YT may not support showing ads.
If however, you went from 100k to 200k, and that extra 100k was right in the US or UK, but you saw no jump in ad impressions, then you can definitely say either A) an adblocker was used or B) it was shown on an unsupported platform.
The other thing is they can see if people enjoy it or actually watch it. As of March of 2012, YT introduced an audience retention meter, where you can see how long people watch your video or AKA how long people stick around. This was also used to change the way content was promoted. Instead of channel X being promoted because it got 2million hits, channel Y would be promoted because it had 2 million hits but since it was actually a good video most people watched all or most of it. Now that it's switched this is also why the reply girls fell of the face of the planet, no one sat through them.
The other result of this is that LP channels have a really strong advantage. It's serial content (designed to be watched in series), longer content than normal popular skit videos, and because it was both of those it has significantly better level of Minutes watched. Hence PDP skyrocketing once this went into effect.
because of all this, if a content producer saw that most people watched like 50% of their video or more, that's a pretty damn good video. The point is, if we're talking about PDP in general as our overall example, he's producing "good content" because his audience retention looks to be very very good, to him, he's producing great stuff, and his viewers seem to agree.
TL:DR shit is way more indepth than "don't make bad vids and you'll do good"
And second TL:DR If you don't like their content, then you are not part of their audience and likely won't watch enough for the video to count an ad impression anyways.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;42013664]its more than likely you don't know what goes into that "one minute video of a shit animation"
first, you have to draw up a storyboard, what is that shitty animation going to be about?
next, you have to write up a script, what are your shittily made characters going to say, what sounds will play due to a shitty object in the scene being interacted with?
next up is recording your voices and sounds, or grabbing those recordings off of a royalty free place/getting permission (copyright strikes otherwise!)
then you have to animate
this is the fun part
it varies from animator to animator but it usually goes like this
draw backgrounds, draw keyframes, draw up characters in the animation in various poses, draw each face that they will make (if they aren't horrible, they will draw different mouths and eyes for pronunciations of different words, for example.)
yadda yadda yadda
the point is, animation, or content creation in general (aside from taking a raw wmv from some shitty minecraft lp you did and uploading it to youtube) is difficult and time consuming work, and DOES count as a job
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Can't draw an audience that cares then it's all worthless. Get another job that can support you.
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