After watching a few YouTube videos with adblock specifically disabled on YouTube, I'd say that's probably the best setup. Malware ads will come from any other site, but I don't mind waiting 30 seconds if that means supporting the people that make the content I enjoy.
[QUOTE=Axznma;42029544]With the dozens of ad blocking tools and addons I've installed and customized, I haven't seen an ad anywhere in years. [I]And it's fucking nice[/I]. Let their content die off, I don't need internet celebrities to make my life entertaining -- they're a small distraction I use when I'm bored because they're there, take them away and I'll do something else. I don't feel I owe them a god damn thing and no one is going to guilt trip me into thinking I do.[/QUOTE]
Almost three years later; still no ads, still don't care.
:snip: I guess
I use adblock solely for twitch and youtube.
I use adblock, but when you think about it it's actually pretty fucking pathetic that we refuse to watch a 30 second ad, and thus deny a content creator his/her pay. Someone's livelihood is obviously much more important than you having to sit through some 30 second ad, imo.
I will block ads, I refuse to support anyone even if they have built a statue made of gold with my face on it for free.
This thread reminded me of a tweet my friend made:
[media]https://twitter.com/TheToadKing/status/644680912676892673[/media]
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;49658979]I use adblock, but when you think about it it's actually pretty fucking pathetic that we refuse to watch a 30 second ad, and thus deny a content creator his/her pay. Someone's livelihood is obviously much more important than you having to sit through some 30 second ad, imo.[/QUOTE]
Ads bring in a cut for the content creators, if I don't like what practices are being done by the receipts of the other part of the cut, such as advertisers that spread malware, it's in everyone choice not to participate. Denying to watch ads is not denying content creator their pay, no ones lively hood is at stake.
Relying on ads, especially on youtube, for primary income is not smart unless you're huge. This is why patreon and donating is a thing, and other revenue streams such as commission work. Supporting their work without even pitching money also helps content creators a lot.
Wowee internet time capsule!
I mean now that YouTube has a reactionary subscription model and everyone else can petition their viewers for Patreon donations for money relative to the amount of work they do, I feel [I]less[/I] guilty for completely denying them any ad revenue.
Other than than I still think we should prepare for every other online service going for a "Ad-free subscription" model for revenue, it feels like every site does it already. It depends on the content thoigh, I've been a premium Giant Bomb member for the better part of two years and I think of a moment where I thought it wasn't worth the 5 a month.
I wonder what would happen if patreon opened up its own video hosting, with the ability to upload freebie content alongside patreon pledge level locked vids or whatever, would the massive content creators currently on youtube see lucrative potential in such a system?
[QUOTE=usaokay;49659320]When people were complaining/mocking Tai Lopez and his fake garage, I was wondering [I]who the fuck is this guy?[/I] [B]until I realized that he was a Youtube ad[/B].[/QUOTE]
oh wow
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;42012816]I use adblock to block those shitty ads inside porn sites.
If a site wants me to disable my adblock inside its boundaries, i do it without hesitation.
Everyone should.[/QUOTE]
I've had sites ask me to turn off adblock or ublock so I can support them. When i did I was greeted with 3 malware filled ads. Fuck off I'm leaving uBlock on.
I'd gladly welcome a feature that lets me turn on ads for Youtbers I support- but that would require effort on Youtube's end. AKA: Isn't going to happen.
[editline]2nd February 2016[/editline]
and besides there's Patreon. I'm sure a dedicated $1 a month pays more directly to the content creators more than watching an ad does.
Sorry, fuck ads.
There, I said it. I'm not going to bullshit anyone, I'm not turning adblock off. Your website doesn't work with it activated? If I can't find a workaround, I'll go elsewhere.
I don't care if they're good or not, I get enough bombardment of advertisement from every singular form of fucking media that isn't my computer. I'm not losing sleep over the internet pennies I'm [I]robbing[/I] people of by not viewing shitty advertisements. Little tiny unobtrusive banners are only negligibly less irritating than giant flashing banners that play sounds when your mouse strays over them. And there's far too many ads trying to cash in on illiterate users by trying to disguise themselves in the website as other articles, or "download now!!!!!" buttons.
If you need funding and are a content creator, take it over to the myriad of websites where you can offer people benefits for funding you - like early access to your newest videos. If someone can make nearly a quarter mil a month off a text-based porn game that basically stopped getting updates once the cash came in, I'm sure ~youtubers~ can supplement their advertisement income with good campaigning for alternate revenue (ala Pateron or the like.)
Not want to see dodgy malware infested ads I can understand. What I don't understand is the mindset of content creators being the most loathsome of bottom feeders who are showing unforgivable gall to even ask people to tolerate a tiny banner or single skippable ad to support their 'fake' jobs, and yet they watch or read their stuff anyway. Personally, I think something isn't worth the price being asked for, then I won't bother with it at all.
i'll stop using adblock when i can browse the internet without dumb popups slapping me in the face. i whitelist websites and creators who deserve the revenue and don't have annoying adverts but otherwise, i'm keeping it on
[QUOTE=Mingebox;49660951]the mindset of content creators being the most loathsome of bottom feeders who are showing unforgivable gall to even ask people to tolerate a tiny banner or single skippable ad to support their 'fake' jobs, and yet they watch or read their stuff anyway[/QUOTE]
I don't mean to imply content creators are horrible people by using ads or asking people to watch them, but as other people have stated - it should never be your primary/only source of income if that's what you're creating content for.
I did mean to imply that I likely will never watch those ads, just because of having to turn adblock off, reload video, turn adblock on after every single time. Youtube will likely never bother with a better means of supporting specific channels, or I'd happily watch (ie not pay attention to/skip/mute) 30-60 ads for channels like H3H3 or LGR. But when I'm trying to find some dumb short video to show a friend real fast, I'm not a huge fan of "PLEASE WAIT 15 SECONDS BEFORE SKIP" television-style adverts on nearly everything I click on.
Every time I load something in Steam's overlay browser, or watch a teacher try to navigate the web on a projector, I'm reminded how shitty things are without adblock.
[QUOTE=Doom14;49660764]If you need funding and are a content creator, take it over to the myriad of websites where you can offer people benefits for funding you - like early access to your newest videos. If someone can make nearly a quarter mil a month off a text-based porn game that basically stopped getting updates once the cash came in, I'm sure ~youtubers~ can supplement their advertisement income with good campaigning for alternate revenue (ala Pateron or the like.)[/QUOTE]
what's ironic about this is that Patreon is an ad within itself I can not find a content creator that doesn't say "SUPPORT MY PATREON :)))))", I rather watch a 30 second ad than see that shit.
ads is a great way to give creators money because seeing an ad doesn't cost you any money, only a short amount of your time. if ads are completely removed from the internet, a lot of the smaller content creators are going to find a hard time getting an income if producing videos is their primary source of income.
and if you think that blocking ads will change how advertising companies display ads, it won't. the only people who would be affected by this is the content creators because now they have to decide if they're going to use more obnoxious ads to make up for that loss, or less obnoxious ads to prevent more people from blocking them if they haven't already
I was thinking about turning off adblock and then youtube loaded a 50 minute video documentary about north korea as some kind of ad for an orchestra.
Fuck that
[QUOTE=Doom14;49661051]I don't mean to imply content creators are horrible people by using ads or asking people to watch them, but as other people have stated - it should never be your primary/only source of income if that's what you're creating content for.[/QUOTE]
A lot of people don't donate to patreon or other services, which is a problem. These services take money directly from the consumer's wallet, while advertisements take money from corporation's wallet.
99% of youtube content creators who make money off of said content originally did it as a hobby. The standard transition for that was this.
Make videos as a hobby
Improve on video making skills
Make a decent name for yourself
Make $25 a video that you spent 12 hours on off of advertisements
Realise that this could be a source of income if you're good enough
Keep making quality videos in hopes increased video count
Make $150 a video that you spent 12 hours on off of advertisements
Make this a viable source of income.
Perfect your trade.
If it were to be the pateron route
Make videos as a hobby
Improve on video making skills
Make a decent name for yourself
Make $10 a month when you spend 50 hours a month making videos
Realise that this isn't working and/or whore yourself out for pateron.
Advertisement has gotta be the shittiest thing in the world, I hate it
If there's anything I can do to lower the amount of paid ads I see, the better. I don't care about who doesn't get money because I didn't see their shitty ad
[QUOTE=J!NX;42010838]to be fair its only 30 seconds but I'll only wait if its a good and long video
not every god damn music video from VIVO.[/QUOTE]
But the people saying this stuff aren't VIVO who have money from the Music Industry, this is about smaller youtubers who get their living off creating half an hour to hour long content for people to watch.
The rise of Patreon is specifically because of this shit. I understand hating ads and some ad still in large have adware and such in them. The issue here is that adblock is basically a an artillery shell; you'll take out the thing you want, and everything else alongside it.
[editline]2nd February 2016[/editline]
Its an imprecise tool that really needs to be redesigned or refined because its current state is actually hurting smaller content creators who would, otherwise, jump onto working on videos as a full time job thus increasing the frequency and visual fidelity as well.
I mean with some people it really does make sense how much money is being lost because of ad-blockers. [URL="http://www.tubefilter.com/2015/10/30/pewdiepie-youtube-red-ad-blocker-problem/"]PDP ran a poll to find out how many of his viewers use adblock[/URL] (obviously this isn't the best way of checking but we'll roll with it) and it said 40/60 yes to no. If what he makes a year is 4 million (huge estimation, don't take it as fact,) he's missing out on about 2.5 million. That's a [I][B]huge[/B] fucking amount of money.[/I] I mean, yeah, it's not like he's going to hurt without it, but Christ, in perspective that's a huge part of his money lost towards that. If we apply that statistic to smaller channels, that'd be an even worse chunk lost. If someone made, lets say, minimum wage off of youtube (21K), at PDP's adblock rate, that's about 14K they're losing every year. That's the difference between being able to just get by and being able to live in a good apartment in a good neighborhood, with good internet to upload, the ability to expand and buy more equipment, to stream at higher quality, etc. etc.
Yeah, some ads are malicious. But really use perspective when talking about this kind of thing. Because that number is way larger than you think.
[QUOTE=Doom14;49660764]Sorry, fuck ads.
There, I said it. I'm not going to bullshit anyone, I'm not turning adblock off. Your website doesn't work with it activated? If I can't find a workaround, I'll go elsewhere.
I don't care if they're good or not, I get enough bombardment of advertisement from every singular form of fucking media that isn't my computer. I'm not losing sleep over the internet pennies I'm [I]robbing[/I] people of by not viewing shitty advertisements. Little tiny unobtrusive banners are only negligibly less irritating than giant flashing banners that play sounds when your mouse strays over them. And there's far too many ads trying to cash in on illiterate users by trying to disguise themselves in the website as other articles, or "download now!!!!!" buttons.
If you need funding and are a content creator, take it over to the myriad of websites where you can offer people benefits for funding you - like early access to your newest videos. If someone can make nearly a quarter mil a month off a text-based porn game that basically stopped getting updates once the cash came in, I'm sure ~youtubers~ can supplement their advertisement income with good campaigning for alternate revenue (ala Pateron or the like.)[/QUOTE]
I guess you don't like content...or the internet. Like actually you know what, you should go back to reading books.
[QUOTE=Swilly;49661413]I guess you don't like content...or the internet. Like actually you know what, you should go back to reading books.[/QUOTE]
Content is great. I love content.
I especially like the part where, when I go to pick up a book, I'm not forced to read an introductory page telling me to buy stuff before I can continue reading the book. I'm also not interrupted by flashing bookmarks that make noise and wiggle.
I'm spoiled by basically getting everything I like ad-free these days, so I do tend to get a little squeamish on the idea of going back to being bombarded with by shit that has the direct objective of treating me like a wallet (or vote, or warm body, etc.)
[QUOTE=Doom14;49662067]Content is great. I love content.
I especially like the part where, when I go to pick up a book, I'm not forced to read an introductory page telling me to buy stuff before I can continue reading the book. I'm also not interrupted by flashing bookmarks that make noise and wiggle.
I'm spoiled by basically getting everything I like ad-free these days, so I do tend to get a little squeamish on the idea of going back to being bombarded with by shit that has the direct objective of treating me like a wallet (or vote, or warm body, etc.)[/QUOTE]
No, but you are paying for the book, or for taxes for maintaining the library.
[QUOTE=General J;49660060]I'd gladly welcome a feature that lets me turn on ads for Youtbers I support- but that would require effort on Youtube's end. AKA: Isn't going to happen.
[editline]2nd February 2016[/editline]
and besides there's Patreon. I'm sure a dedicated $1 a month pays more directly to the content creators more than watching an ad does.[/QUOTE]
If you use AdBlock you can actually white-list specific channels.
I disable Adblock for channels content I enjoy viewing, but what I think some people don't understand is that animators get the short end of the stick on youtube compared to most other content creators that can just churn out videos, given that animators can't just churn out content like other creators it's a losing game for animators. I believe it's been brought up before by other big name animators on youtube that for them it's a losing battle on ad revenue in general, if you're going to break it down to the potential revenue gain from the time spent creating the content until it's uploaded and repeat, the average normal content creator has uploaded more content in that time and has generally gained more revenue.
I think RubberNinja explains it better how animators basically get fucked by youtubes algorithm as well.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi6FcI2wFrw[/media]
[QUOTE=mr apple;49661303]Advertisement has gotta be the shittiest thing in the world, I hate it
If there's anything I can do to lower the amount of paid ads I see, the better. I don't care about who doesn't get money because I didn't see their shitty ad[/QUOTE]
I wish the time limit for ads would shorten. 15 seconds should be the maximum.
No one wants to sit a minute of a single ad on youtube.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;49661179]I was thinking about turning off adblock and then youtube loaded a 50 minute video documentary about north korea as some kind of ad for an orchestra.
Fuck that[/QUOTE]
Probably a glitch because YouTube's system doesn't allow for unskips over 30s. Most unskips at 15s, and skippables have no set limit because... you can skip.
[QUOTE=usaokay;49659320]I don't like ads when it was first introduced to Youtube and I still don't like it today.
When people were complaining/mocking Tai Lopez and his fake garage, I was wondering [I]who the fuck is this guy?[/I] until I realized that he was a Youtube ad.[/QUOTE]
He is the reason I reenabled adblock on YouTube.
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