• Theories of what death is like?
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That's easy. Just take some DMT and you'll find out. When you die (and apparenty born) there is a chemical that is dumped into the brain which is basically some trippy fucking shit and they've managed to synthesise it and it's called DMT. It's proper whacky stuff and it right trips you out more than acid ever could, nothing even comes close...
possibly it was said before: [b]it's same as before you were born.[/b] no brain activity = no feeling of nothingness or time passing. no brain activity = no processing of neural information from the eye, and no memories - therefore unability to 'see' anything (as for the supposed life-after-death)
I believe in Quantum Immortality. For example, a man sits down before a gun, which is pointed at his head. This is no ordinary gun; it's rigged to a machine that measures the spin of a quantum particle. Each time the trigger is pulled, the spin of the quantum particle is measured. Depending on the measurement, the gun will either fire, or it won't. If the quantum particle is measured as spinning in a clockwise motion, the gun will fire. If the particle is spinning counterclockwise, the gun won't go off. There'll only be a click. Nervously, the man takes a breath and pulls the trigger. The gun clicks. He pulls the trigger again. Click. And again: click. The man will continue to pull the trigger again and again with the same result: The gun won't fire. Although it's functioning properly and loaded with bullets, no matter how many times he pulls the trigger, the gun will never fire. He'll continue this process for eternity, becoming immortal. Go back in time to the beginning of the experiment. The man pulls the trigger for the very first time, and the particle is now measured as spinning clockwise. The gun fires. The man is dead. But, wait. The man already pulled the trigger the first time -- and an infinite amount of times following that -- and we already know the gun didn't fire. How can the man be dead? The man is unaware, but he's both alive and dead. Each time he pulls the trigger, the universe is split in two. It will continue to split, again and again, each time the trigger is pulled, and become quantum immortal. ** This thought experiment is called 'quantum suicide'. It was first posed by then-Princeton University theorist Max Tegmark in 1997 (now on faculty at MIT). However, science fiction author Larry Niven originally proposed a fictional variant of quantum suicide in his short story "All The Myriad Ways" in which the protagonist's final action in the story kills/fails to kill him in a myriad of alternate realities. It's really interesting and you guys should look it up.
[QUOTE=kabookie;16134835]I believe in Quantum Immortality. For example, a man sits down before a gun, which is pointed at his head. This is no ordinary gun; it's rigged to a machine that measures the spin of a quantum particle. Each time the trigger is pulled, the spin of the quantum particle is measured. Depending on the measurement, the gun will either fire, or it won't. If the quantum particle is measured as spinning in a clockwise motion, the gun will fire. If the particle is spinning counterclockwise, the gun won't go off. There'll only be a click. Nervously, the man takes a breath and pulls the trigger. The gun clicks. He pulls the trigger again. Click. And again: click. The man will continue to pull the trigger again and again with the same result: The gun won't fire. Although it's functioning properly and loaded with bullets, no matter how many times he pulls the trigger, the gun will never fire. He'll continue this process for eternity, becoming immortal. Go back in time to the beginning of the experiment. The man pulls the trigger for the very first time, and the particle is now measured as spinning clockwise. The gun fires. The man is dead. But, wait. The man already pulled the trigger the first time -- and an infinite amount of times following that -- and we already know the gun didn't fire. How can the man be dead? The man is unaware, but he's both alive and dead. Each time he pulls the trigger, the universe is split in two. It will continue to split, again and again, each time the trigger is pulled, and become quantum immortal. ** This thought experiment is called 'quantum suicide'. It was first posed by then-Princeton University theorist Max Tegmark in 1997 (now on faculty at MIT). However, science fiction author Larry Niven originally proposed a fictional variant of quantum suicide in his short story "All The Myriad Ways" in which the protagonist's final action in the story kills/fails to kill him in a myriad of alternate realities. It's really interesting and you guys should look it up.[/QUOTE] I was thinking about this same exact thing before, I didn't know it actually had a name, I thought it was just me being crazy.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;16134855]I was thinking about this same exact thing before, I didn't know it actually had a name, I thought it was just me being crazy.[/QUOTE] It's a very complex theory, but It's highly looked down upon because people think it advocates suicide, when in reality it's not about that at all. I really encourage you to read more about it, I just tipped the iceberg.
You are liquefied and fed intravenously to the living, of course.
[QUOTE=kabookie;16134835]I believe in Quantum Immortality. For example, a man sits down before a gun, which is pointed at his head. This is no ordinary gun; it's rigged to a machine that measures the spin of a quantum particle. Each time the trigger is pulled, the spin of the quantum particle is measured. Depending on the measurement, the gun will either fire, or it won't. If the quantum particle is measured as spinning in a clockwise motion, the gun will fire. If the particle is spinning counterclockwise, the gun won't go off. There'll only be a click. Nervously, the man takes a breath and pulls the trigger. The gun clicks. He pulls the trigger again. Click. And again: click. The man will continue to pull the trigger again and again with the same result: The gun won't fire. Although it's functioning properly and loaded with bullets, no matter how many times he pulls the trigger, the gun will never fire. He'll continue this process for eternity, becoming immortal. Go back in time to the beginning of the experiment. The man pulls the trigger for the very first time, and the particle is now measured as spinning clockwise. The gun fires. The man is dead. But, wait. The man already pulled the trigger the first time -- and an infinite amount of times following that -- and we already know the gun didn't fire. How can the man be dead? The man is unaware, but he's both alive and dead. Each time he pulls the trigger, the universe is split in two. It will continue to split, again and again, each time the trigger is pulled, and become quantum immortal. ** This thought experiment is called 'quantum suicide'. It was first posed by then-Princeton University theorist Max Tegmark in 1997 (now on faculty at MIT). However, science fiction author Larry Niven originally proposed a fictional variant of quantum suicide in his short story "All The Myriad Ways" in which the protagonist's final action in the story kills/fails to kill him in a myriad of alternate realities. It's really interesting and you guys should look it up.[/QUOTE] I actually understand that, my only point is: Wouldn't people be complaining how performing fatal things isn't killing them?
[QUOTE=BackflipHatchetAttack;16135682]I actually understand that, my only point is: Wouldn't people be complaining how performing fatal things isn't killing them?[/QUOTE] Because for you, those people did die, but if you were to try it, you would survive. But you wont dare try it.
[QUOTE=arienh4;16135639]You are liquefied and fed intravenously to the living, of course.[/QUOTE] Do you even know what this thread is about?
The Matrix? :v:
I think you will be born again. Not like reincarnation. You just start a new life as a new person with no knowledge of your previous lives.
My theory is that it's like a lucky dip of reincarnation. Since energy cannot be destoryed, I think you just go black until you transfer to a new life form. The lucky dip part means you might end up a bacterium, maybe you end up as a dog next....
I like the idea of just dreaming. Dreaming is cool, especially when I get upset in the dream, because I wake up fine. I also like it when I get angry because then the dream goes my way... MWAHAHAH!!
[QUOTE=kabookie;16134835]I believe in Quantum Immortality. For example, a man sits down before a gun, which is pointed at his head. This is no ordinary gun; it's rigged to a machine that measures the spin of a quantum particle. Each time the trigger is pulled, the spin of the quantum particle is measured. Depending on the measurement, the gun will either fire, or it won't. If the quantum particle is measured as spinning in a clockwise motion, the gun will fire. If the particle is spinning counterclockwise, the gun won't go off. There'll only be a click. Nervously, the man takes a breath and pulls the trigger. The gun clicks. He pulls the trigger again. Click. And again: click. The man will continue to pull the trigger again and again with the same result: The gun won't fire. Although it's functioning properly and loaded with bullets, no matter how many times he pulls the trigger, the gun will never fire. He'll continue this process for eternity, becoming immortal. Go back in time to the beginning of the experiment. The man pulls the trigger for the very first time, and the particle is now measured as spinning clockwise. The gun fires. The man is dead. But, wait. The man already pulled the trigger the first time -- and an infinite amount of times following that -- and we already know the gun didn't fire. How can the man be dead? The man is unaware, but he's both alive and dead. Each time he pulls the trigger, the universe is split in two. It will continue to split, again and again, each time the trigger is pulled, and become quantum immortal. ** This thought experiment is called 'quantum suicide'. It was first posed by then-Princeton University theorist Max Tegmark in 1997 (now on faculty at MIT). However, science fiction author Larry Niven originally proposed a fictional variant of quantum suicide in his short story "All The Myriad Ways" in which the protagonist's final action in the story kills/fails to kill him in a myriad of alternate realities. It's really interesting and you guys should look it up.[/QUOTE] The moment you said quantum I knew you were going to talk some philosophical bullshit with no grounding in reality. Tell me, what actual evidence do you have for this phenomenon? And how does this man avoid death via cell degeneration, IE age? Quantum immortality fails in that no mass will ever remain in the same state inevitably, except perhaps once it is broken down into it's base elements. Of course by that time you would be dead. [editline]07:31PM[/editline] [QUOTE=kabookie;16134906]It's a very complex theory, but It's highly looked down upon because people think it advocates suicide, when in reality it's not about that at all. I really encourage you to read more about it, I just tipped the iceberg.[/QUOTE] I look down upon it because Occam's razor cuts it to pieces. [img]http://d2k5.com/sa_emots/emot-sax.gif[/img] [editline]07:35PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ryanmh12;16138525]I think you will be born again. Not like reincarnation. You just start a new life as a new person with no knowledge of your previous lives.[/QUOTE] Once again, the question is, [I]why?[/I] To you, you might as well be dead, because you won't actually be living more, it's just a person that might be labeled you still lives. There would be no practical difference between staying dead or living in your proposed eternal loop. [editline]07:37PM[/editline] [QUOTE=professional;16138571]My theory is that it's like a lucky dip of reincarnation. Since energy cannot be destoryed, I think you just go black until you transfer to a new life form. The lucky dip part means you might end up a bacterium, maybe you end up as a dog next....[/QUOTE] No, but energy is simply vibration. What makes you you is the structure which calculates and processes thoughts and feelings, the brain. You can no more be reincarnated than a rock can. [editline]07:39PM[/editline] Also, I think if quantum immortality is true it's the most horrifyingly terrible reality that is possible to conceive. You would be subject to an eternity of madness and hell.
[QUOTE=ryanmh12;16138525]I think you will be born again. Not like reincarnation. You just start a new life as a new person with no knowledge of your previous lives.[/QUOTE] Me Too.
[QUOTE=MasterJase156;16141135]Me Too.[/QUOTE] Can any of you people answer a question? [I]Why?[/I] What is the point of that idea? It's not even something that should give you comfort, it's just a wholly neutral idea, like the one that life is a computer simulation. What's the point in even having a stance on it since it existing and not existing would be identical scenarios?
Nothing. End of Biological self. But your essence, your aura is left behind. These are we we conceive as ghosts
It's deadly.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;16141260]Nothing. End of Biological self. But your essence, your aura is left behind. These are we we conceive as ghosts[/QUOTE] Define aura. What is it made of, how is it made, and what does it do, and why does it only seem to constitute the part of the body we are biologically tuned to look for in everything?
I wish/hope that once you die, you are given the ability to create your own universe.
[QUOTE=ItchyBarracuda;15077620]I was gonna post this. It's the best example I could think of. It's like the best way to describe nothingness. That or think about the times when you're asleep, but don't recall anything when you wake up. There was just nothing, you may have been alive but were incapable of feeling anything or acknowledging your existence. That's what I think death is life. Just nothing.[/QUOTE] I agree, but there's something about this issue that I can't really understand. The mind seems to "skip" to the next conscious moment. When you wake up from a dream, you might remember your 5 minute dream, but not the rest of your emptieness. That way you feel that only 5 minutes have passed, but then you look out the window and realise 7 hours have gone by. You didn't experience the emptieness when you were not dreaming, so the mind skipped its way forward to your dream. I believe it's the same concept when you were born. Before birth, you can't experience anything. So it jumps to your birth and gives you feelings at that time. So, saying that we feel the same way that we did before we were born is rather strange, since there's no conscious moment to jump to after death. :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=ryanmh12;16138525]I think you will be born again. Not like reincarnation. You just start a new life as a new person with no knowledge of your previous lives.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that saddens me a bit, though. This is why I want to be preserved and placed in a robot. I'm not really sure what death's like, though. Part of me insists you'll just cease to exist, be nothing. The other part insists it's everything that's been pushed, you know, afterlife and whatnot.
[QUOTE=arienh4;16135639]You are liquefied and fed intravenously to the living, of course.[/QUOTE] Soylent Green. [editline]10:22PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16141809]Define aura. What is it made of, how is it made, and what does it do, and why does it only seem to constitute the part of the body we are biologically tuned to look for in everything?[/QUOTE] You keep shooting holes in almost every idea that is suggested. Its quite annoying now. You've made about 20+ posts in this thread and not one of them is an opinion. You're just stating how everyone elses views are wrong. Does it really matter if they aren't scientifically flawless? Clearly you love science, but can you let some ideas be discussed for at least a short time?
yeah, i think ill burn, w/e
For reincarnation people, I do not want to be a god damn dog.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16141809]Define aura. What is it made of, how is it made, and what does it do, and why does it only seem to constitute the part of the body we are biologically tuned to look for in everything?[/QUOTE] No one knows what death is like. Stop trying to define it with science.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16140794]The moment you said quantum I knew you were going to talk some philosophical bullshit with no grounding in reality. Tell me, what actual evidence do you have for this phenomenon? And how does this man avoid death via cell degeneration, IE age? Quantum immortality fails in that no mass will ever remain in the same state inevitably, except perhaps once it is broken down into it's base elements. Of course by that time you would be dead. [editline]07:31PM[/editline] I look down upon it because Occam's razor cuts it to pieces. [img]http://d2k5.com/sa_emots/emot-sax.gif[/img] [editline]07:35PM[/editline] Once again, the question is, [I]why?[/I] To you, you might as well be dead, because you won't actually be living more, it's just a person that might be labeled you still lives. There would be no practical difference between staying dead or living in your proposed eternal loop. [editline]07:37PM[/editline] No, but energy is simply vibration. What makes you you is the structure which calculates and processes thoughts and feelings, the brain. You can no more be reincarnated than a rock can. [editline]07:39PM[/editline] Also, I think if quantum immortality is true it's the most horrifyingly terrible reality that is possible to conceive. You would be subject to an eternity of madness and hell.[/QUOTE] You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, you're just trying to rip apart my post for no reason. There doesn't have to be an answer, and of course there can be flaws, this thread is based upon THEORIES, not whatever I say is instantly fact.
You become born again, as a babby and that is how babby is formed
[QUOTE=Doriol;16144775]No one knows what death is like. Stop trying to define it with science.[/QUOTE] It's not like death is some magical supernatural thing we can't know anything about, we know a great deal. And all the evidence(facts) points to nothing happening apart from your brain activity ceases to continue and you just don't think any more, your heart stops pumping blood, your brain cells start dying etc etc, there is nothing special about this.
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