I think death will be just like before birth, nothing... Live while you can!!
[QUOTE=Scherf!;15070966]Am I the only one who found this statement completely self-contradictory?
People can't have an opinion of death until they die, and when they die, they can't have an opinion. It's simple.
To think that you have an "idea" of what death is like is usually unintelligent at best, it's often nothing but unqualified, useless nonsense (I'm not even going to call it a guess).
The reason I'm saying "often" and "usually" is because there's a small group of intelligent people who can actually accept the fact that they won't experience their own death because, well, they're dead. It's also the only reasonable, qualified idea other than "I don't know" (which is a perfectly good answer to a lot of questions, but people don't seem to realize that).[/QUOTE]
Its called curiosity, to which we owe most of human discovery.
Also, It's having an opinion about what happens after death, having an opinon on death is silly. We know what death is. It is the events that follow that this thread seeks to explore.
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[QUOTE=Darkcoder;15070978]I agree with the whole cease the exist thing. Believing anything else would happen is illogical; before you were born you didn't exist yet you have no recollection of this, thus death will be the same thing. We as Humans exist with our brains and various senses connected to them, if you disconnect any of these senses then we no longer possess them, if you remove them all then you're just a biological blob of thought. If you take out parts of your brain(like in an accident), then you can still be alive but lose your memory, become unable to do simple tasks and all sorts, all the way until you become brain dead at which point you'd still be technically alive but not really. Death is no different, your senses stop working, your brain ceases to function and you fall asleep forever.[/QUOTE]
True, but we only use our senses to experience this life. What if after death our human sense become obsolete. What if senses aren't required to realise the afterlife?
Anything is possible, really.
[QUOTE=Darkcoder;15070978]I agree with the whole cease the exist thing. Believing anything else would happen is illogical; before you were born you didn't exist yet you have no recollection of this, thus death will be the same thing. We as Humans exist with our brains and various senses connected to them, if you disconnect any of these senses then we no longer possess them, if you remove them all then you're just a biological blob of thought. If you take out parts of your brain(like in an accident), then you can still be alive but lose your memory, become unable to do simple tasks and all sorts, all the way until you become brain dead at which point you'd still be technically alive but not really. Death is no different, your senses stop working, your brain ceases to function and you fall asleep forever.[/QUOTE]
You're not taking into account the fact that we haven't explained sentience. Why do we "exist" simply because our braincells are still cooperating? Is it possible that, after we die, our conscience would split into parts that stopped cooperating, and were thus very primitive wouldn't have any of the capabilities of our senses or or brain (such as memory, etc.)?
In your argument you assume that you know what conscience is, but it has not been explained at all, and it is very possible that things other than humans or animals have a primitive conscience.
ITT: People come up with completely unscientific and ridiculously unlikely scenarios that don't even abide slightly by the laws of physcs, because that's what they [B]hope[/B] happens when they die.
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;15071097]ITT: People come up with completely unscientific and ridiculously unlikely scenarios that don't even abide slightly by the laws of physcs, because that's what they [B]hope[/B] happens when they die.[/QUOTE]
Do the laws of physics apply to the afterlife?
Also, is their anything wrong with hoping?
[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15071014]Its called curiosity, to which we owe most of human discovery.
Also, It's having an opinion about what happens after death, having an opinon on death is silly. We know what death is. It is the events that follow that this thread seeks to explore.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to argue semantics with you as you obviously knew what I was talking about.
I can tell you one thing, making shit up on no basis what so ever is not scientific, nor curiosity, it's random, useless nonsense. Objectively trying to find an explanation is not the same as exclaiming your personal fairytales and inner-most wishes.
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[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;15071097]ITT: People come up with completely unscientific and ridiculously unlikely scenarios that don't even abide slightly by the laws of physcs, because that's what they [B]hope[/B] happens when they die.[/QUOTE]
Where the fuck did physics come into all of this? It seems like you have no idea what science is yourself.
I reload my last save, duh.
[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15071113]Also, is their anything wrong with hoping?[/QUOTE]
Simply put: Yes.
Maybe when you die your present concious ceases to exist, but as soon as another creature with a conciousness is born, you end up there (I'm not saying that there is a logical connection between the first one and the other one, but you just start again as a new "me"
[QUOTE=Scherf!;15071115]I can tell you one thing, making shit up on no basis what so ever is not scientific, nor curiosity, it's random, useless nonsense. Objectively trying to find an explanation is not the same as exclaiming your personal fairytales and inner-most wishes.[/QUOTE]
We're not aiming for scientific results. We're not actually attempting to solve the mysteries of death.
We're just discussing what we think/hope will happen.
Instead of walking around hoping to get into heaven or whatever, we should all just enjoy the small amount of time we have here. Nobody can truly claim to know what happens after death and that's why you shouldn't live your life by a vague idea of what some guy in the desert thought the world may be like. We can only logically predict what will happen and for all we know life is very short.
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Also, this is hardly theories, more like hypotheses if anything.
[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15071113]Do the laws of physics apply to the afterlife?
Also, is their anything wrong with hoping?[/QUOTE]
Well, seeing as the laws of physics apply to everything, I don't see why they wouldn't apply to your death.
[url]http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/heaven.html[/url]
:|
Well anyways, it's impossible to imagine what death is like, not only because your brain has never stopped functioning (brain death), but because when it does stop functioning, you'll be incapable of thought, because the parts of the brain responsible for the ability to think, to have a consciousness, have ceased to exist. Thus, even when you have died, you will not know what death is like, because you, as a conscious being, are no longer in existence.
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;15071216]Well, seeing as the laws of physics apply to everything, I don't see why they wouldn't apply to your death.[/QUOTE]
We don't know anything about what happens after we're dead, other than in the biological sense.
Depending on what happens, there may or may not be standard laws of science.
[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15071167]We're not aiming for scientific results. We're not actually attempting to solve the mysteries of death.
We're just discussing what we think/hope will happen.[/QUOTE]
It's funny, because you just tried to justify the whole thing by saying that it may lead to a scientific discovery (which still makes me laugh btw).
[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15071236]We don't know anything about what happens after we're dead, other than in the biological sense.
Depending on what happens, there may or may not be standard laws of science.[/QUOTE]
But seeing as EVERYTHING else abides by these laws, why would the descision maker of one single animal on this one single planet act ANY differently than EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WHOLE DAMN UNIVERSE?
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;15071289]But seeing as EVERYTHING else abides by these laws, why would the descision maker of one single animal on this one single planet act ANY differently than EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WHOLE DAMN UNIVERSE?[/QUOTE]
I don't know. We don't know.
These are simply ideas. Also, black holes don't abide by the laws of physics. But thats off topic.
I believe that my consciousness ends with death, which isn't all that bad really as some people make it to be, in my opinion living an eternity even in pure happiness and joy would be a fucking horror.
It would be cool if upon death we are turned into some energy being that can travel to anywhere in the universe instantly, I would like that life to last about 1000 years so you can explore the universe, and then I would like to die forever.
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[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15071312]Also, black holes don't abide by the laws of physics. But thats off topic.[/QUOTE]
Yeah they do, they just don't abide OUR laws of physics. :P
Like it was before I was born.
D:
[QUOTE=Scherf!;15071282]It's funny, because you just tried to justify the whole thing by saying that it may lead to a scientific discovery (which still makes me laugh btw).[/QUOTE]
No I didn't, I'm simply saying that we're just discussing things!
How could a group of people chatting about their ideas of the afterlife, lead to a scientific discovery?
I don't understand what you're on about. Sorry.
[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15071312]I don't know. We don't know.
Also, black holes don't abide by the laws of physics. [/QUOTE]
[url]http://hubblesite.org/explore_astronomy/black_holes/encyc_mod3_q2.html[/url]
Sadly, I know I'll rot away after I die.
[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15071312]I don't know. We don't know.
These are simply ideas. Also, black holes don't abide by the laws of physics. But thats off topic.[/QUOTE]
ALL things abide by the laws of physics. That's precisely the point of the laws of physics.
Ask a blind person to try to explain what they see. As there is no information being transmitted from their eyes, they would just blackness, which is how I imagine death would be like; all of your senses shutting down.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;15071367]ALL things abide by the laws of physics. That's precisely the point of the laws of physics.[/QUOTE]
Black holes break the laws of physics by merely exisitng. They increase gravity to such an extent that time is distorted.
But please, make a thread and we can talk about it.
This happens:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrKnhOJ-R80[/media]
[QUOTE=Scherf!;15070966]Am I the only one who found this statement completely self-contradictory?
People can't have an opinion of death until they die, and when they die, they can't have an opinion. It's simple.
To think that you have an "idea" of what death is like is usually unintelligent at best, it's often nothing but unqualified, useless nonsense (I'm not even going to call it a guess).
The reason I'm saying "often" and "usually" is because there's a small group of intelligent people who can actually accept the fact that they won't experience their own death because, well, they're dead. It's also the only reasonable, qualified idea other than "I don't know" (which is a perfectly good answer to a lot of questions, but people don't seem to realize that).[/QUOTE]
This is a bad post and you should feel ashamed. On a subject like this everyone can have an opinion, and just ruling out different ideas and telling people to rather not post at all isn't what you do on a discussion forum. On the matter of death, there's no certainty and no best opinion.
My personal tought is
Do you remember before you were born ?
I dont.So when I'll die it's going to be the same way
I wont know it.
Its impossible to not turn this into a religious discussion, because this is what all religion basically is about.
[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15071403]Black holes break the laws of physics by merely exisitng. They increase gravity to such an extent that time is distorted.
But please, make a thread and we can talk about it.[/QUOTE]
Ahem...
[QUOTE=Waffle Cake;15071354][url]http://hubblesite.org/explore_astronomy/black_holes/encyc_mod3_q2.html[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Black holes obey all laws of physics, including the laws of gravity. Their remarkable properties are in fact a direct consequence of gravity [/QUOTE]
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