• Theories of what death is like?
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[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;15071853]Sure you have: before you were born.[/QUOTE] So my parents will love each other again when I die?
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;15071862]So my parents will love each other again when I die?[/QUOTE] Don't be a smart ass.
[QUOTE=elnombrai;15069022]well when you die.... your body shuts down and stops working "disabling" the ability to think, hear, see or live...[/QUOTE] too fucking short
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;15071882]Don't be a smart ass.[/QUOTE] I was gonna say that with a different quote, I don't know why I didn't. Joke failed. But yeah, we didn't experience not existing, you have to exist to experience something.
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;15071862]So my parents will love each other again when I die?[/QUOTE] Ahahaha, tell that to a kid whose parents got divorced. Anywho, yeah, my ideas are stupid I suppose. But so are lots of things. At the end of the day, I prefer wolly headedness to the suicide inducing existential angst the alternative offers.
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;15071833]Is that a Bosch painting, OP? Anyways, death is un-theoryable. We have never experienced not existing.[/QUOTE] "The Triumph of Death" by Pieter Bruegel the Elder. It's really immersing, thought it was relevant and provided a nice opening picture, so I stuck it on the OP.
[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15071900]"The Triumph of Death" by Pieter Bruegel the Elder. It's really immersing, thought it was relevant and provided a nice opening picture, so I stuck it on the OP.[/QUOTE] I just saved that painting from /hr/ the other day. How coincidental.
[QUOTE=Splurgy;15071895]Ahahaha, tell that to a kid whose parents got divorced. Anywho, yeah, my ideas are stupid I suppose. But so are lots of things. At the end of the day, I prefer wolly headedness to the suicide inducing existential angst the alternative offers.[/QUOTE] It only gives existential angst to retarded teenagers with self hate complexes. In reality it's a far better scenario than eternal existence.
[QUOTE=Scherf!;15071083]You're not taking into account the fact that we haven't explained sentience. Why do we "exist" simply because our braincells are still cooperating? Is it possible that, after we die, our conscience would split into parts that stopped cooperating, and were thus very primitive wouldn't have any of the capabilities of our senses or or brain (such as memory, etc.)? In your argument you assume that you know what conscience is, but it has not been explained at all, and it is very possible that things other than humans or animals have a primitive conscience.[/QUOTE] Dictionary.com: [i]"1. the state of being conscious; awareness of one's own existence, sensations, thoughts, surroundings, etc."[/i], by this definition we aren't the only species that are concious, several species have been shown to be aware of their own existence and the other criteria are a given. I'm sure if we gave other animals brains as large as our own then they would have the potential to be similar to us(assuming their brains had the same parts). Take apes for instance, I believe our brains are incredibly similar to theirs(well we did descent from a recent ancestor after all) with the only major difference being brain size. I personally don't think Humans are intrinsically special, if you replaced our brains with other ape ones then we'd just be bipedal apes living in the jungle like any other.
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;15071894]I was gonna say that with a different quote, I don't know why I didn't. Joke failed. But yeah, we didn't experience not existing, you have to exist to experience something.[/QUOTE] But we do know that you can not exist.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;15071940]But we do know that you can not exist.[/QUOTE] Yes, we know it's possible, but we've never experienced it.
Here's my theory, and I expect it'll be frowned upon. In normal circumstances, when the human body dies, the brain slowly loses it's electrical charge over a period of months. During this period, it's like an eternal sleep, but as the mind's electrical charge dissipates, background radiation collects in the void left by it, slowly attuning your resting conciousness to an alternate form of "existence". Eventually, this mass of energy becomes non-corporeal, sort of between the microwave background and the field of gravitational distortion that is common around matter, as a "different" form of energy. Once this "etherealisation" is complete, you wake up for the last time, as a mass of background radiation held together by the energy generated by your central nervous system in life, ceaselessly conscious, never resting, always observing the material world, only interacting in places of great electromagnetic energy, such as where ley lines, natural paths of electromagnetic energy, intersect. Such places are rare on this planet, but are still relatively easy to find, if you know where to look. When spirits encounter such places, their energy becomes partially corporeal, allowing it to partially interact with matter, and can sometimes become visible and audible, if the location has strong enough energy. Though they exist, spirits are hard to find, due to their non-material nature. Even so, their nature is denied, both by sceptics and religious people. The sceptics find it hard to grasp that which is hard to understand, and religion debunks the free nature of spirits because if there is proof that there is no judgement after death, people would be far harder to control, and less willing to survive due to the nature of a pain-free alternate existence. This is all just a theory, though. It would require a device capable of sensing such energy patterns, in order to detect spirits and other such related entities.
[QUOTE=Smirnoff Joe;15071964]Once this "etherealisation" is complete, you wake up for the last time, as a mass of background radiation held together by the energy generated by your central nervous system in life, ceaselessly conscious, never resting, always observing the material world, only interacting in places of great electromagnetic energy, such as where ley lines, natural paths of electromagnetic energy, intersect. Such places are rare on this planet, but are still relatively easy to find, if you know where to look. When spirits encounter such places, their energy becomes partially corporeal, allowing it to partially interact with matter, and can sometimes become visible and audible, if the location has strong enough energy.[/QUOTE] So, Glastonbury Tor is the place to be.
[QUOTE=Satane;15071994]Death probably feels like when you slleep without remembering what you dream. (=> you have no idea what's going on.[/QUOTE] Death feels like nothing.
[QUOTE=Splurgy;15071895]Ahahaha, tell that to a kid whose parents got divorced. Anywho, yeah, my ideas are stupid I suppose. But so are lots of things. At the end of the day, I prefer wolly headedness to the suicide inducing existential angst the alternative offers.[/QUOTE] How is existentialism depressing to the point of suicide?
[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15071900]"The Triumph of Death" by Pieter Bruegel the Elder. It's really immersing, thought it was relevant and provided a nice opening picture, so I stuck it on the OP.[/QUOTE] Damn, I was wrong. Will check out this guy, though. I guess it's not hellish enough to be Bosch.
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;15072018]Damn, I was wrong. Will check out this guy, though. I guess it's not hellish enough to be Bosch.[/QUOTE] Haha, true.
are you dead now and you are just remembering it all? I say we get reborn. Somehow.
Damn.. It's kinda hard to even imagine what it's like being dead. Always, when I think about it, I just wanna dip myself dead for a while, too bad it's not possible. I mean, when I'm dead, I am just no fucking longer, I wonder if it's just eternal sleep?
[QUOTE=Smirnoff Joe;15071964]Here's my theory, and I expect it'll be frowned upon. In normal circumstances, when the human body dies, the brain slowly loses it's electrical charge over a period of months. During this period, it's like an eternal sleep, but as the mind's electrical charge dissipates, background radiation collects in the void left by it, slowly attuning your resting conciousness to an alternate form of "existence". Eventually, this mass of energy becomes non-corporeal, sort of between the microwave background and the field of gravitational distortion that is common around matter, as a "different" form of energy. Once this "etherealisation" is complete, you wake up for the last time, as a mass of background radiation held together by the energy generated by your central nervous system in life, ceaselessly conscious, never resting, always observing the material world, only interacting in places of great electromagnetic energy, such as where ley lines, natural paths of electromagnetic energy, intersect. Such places are rare on this planet, but are still relatively easy to find, if you know where to look. When spirits encounter such places, their energy becomes partially corporeal, allowing it to partially interact with matter, and can sometimes become visible and audible, if the location has strong enough energy. Though they exist, spirits are hard to find, due to their non-material nature. Even so, their nature is denied, both by sceptics and religious people. The sceptics find it hard to grasp that which is hard to understand, and religion debunks the free nature of spirits because if there is proof that there is no judgement after death, people would be far harder to control, and less willing to survive due to the nature of a pain-free alternate existence. This is all just a theory, though. It would require a device capable of sensing such energy patterns, in order to detect spirits and other such related entities.[/QUOTE] The hell are you fucking talking about? Brain cells die hours after death if that. Background radiation? So you're saying microwaves collect our brain "energy"(whatever the fuck that is) and somehow through magic transport it to another plain of existence? The hell are you smoking? Background radiation is [I]microwaves.[/I] This isn't some great ethereal energy, this is the stuff that fucking cooks your corn dogs. Ley lines? Holy fuck man, are you just juxtaposing every stupid as shit new age piece of crap in the world over each other? And then when they reach these lay lines, they do scary things like making things cold! Woooo! Or if the people there are sufficiently desperate to see a ghost. Usually things that don't exist are hard to find. That's not because they're incorporeal entities, it's because they don't fucking exist. Hard to understand? Big talk from someone who doesn't even fucking know what background radiation actually [I]is.[/I] I bet you don't even fucking know what energy is either. Goddamnit, learn your shit.
İ'm not gonna die becasu [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCK7usfAuyE[/media]
[QUOTE=varj;15072082]Damn.. It's kinda hard to even imagine what it's like being dead. Always, when I think about it, I just wanna dip myself dead for a while, too bad it's not possible. I mean, when I'm dead, I am just no fucking longer, I wonder if it's just eternal sleep?[/QUOTE] Eternal unconsciousness more like.
[QUOTE=varj;15072082]Damn.. It's kinda hard to even imagine what it's like being dead. Always, when I think about it, I just wanna dip myself dead for a while, too bad it's not possible. I mean, when I'm dead, I am just no fucking longer, I wonder if it's just eternal sleep?[/QUOTE] Sleep requires an active brain. Everything we think of, requires the use of our brain. Why do so many people think that after death, there is an exception to this? You being aware of yourself is due to your brain, and the processes going on inside your brain, nothing else. So how is it possible to be aware of oneself, to have a functioning mind, after the very thing that makes it possible, the brain, has rotted away?
Quantum mechanics can explain the consciousness of live beings. As much as you say life could evolve from atomic levels, the final product would be an autonomous being, one that does not necessarily think like we do, but more like a robot, designed to cope with certain situations. Think to yourself now, is the interactions between nucleon particles making me think? Somehow I really do not think so, I think there is more to it, but it is something we will enver and should never comprehend.
It'd be your own personal heaven or hell, sort of like a lucid dream. :smile:
[QUOTE=Taggart;15071628][i]Deadly[/i].[/QUOTE] Why hasn't anyone quoted this already? :v:
[QUOTE=Waffle Cake;15072152]Sleep requires an active brain. Everything we think of, requires the use of our brain. Why do so many people think that after death, there is an exception to this? You being aware of yourself is due to your brain, and the processes going on inside your brain, nothing else. So how is it possible to be aware of oneself, to have a functioning mind, after the very thing that makes it possible, the brain, has rotted away?[/QUOTE] Alright alright mister death-guy, I just.. am no longer. Fucking buzzkill..
[QUOTE=overdark;15072221]Why hasn't anyone quoted this already? :v:[/QUOTE] It's not particularly funny or witty.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;15071924]It only gives existential angst to retarded teenagers with self hate complexes. In reality it's a far better scenario than eternal existence.[/QUOTE] Bit of a cheap shot, no? [QUOTE=Waffle Cake;15072008]How is existentialism depressing to the point of suicide?[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism#Angst]Well, life only has meaning if you give it meaning, which is sort of good until you start worrying about it all the time yada yada yada[/url]
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