Seattle Gay Protest Turns Violent as Two Street Preachers Get Attacked - General

Fight bible bashers like this guy does [video=youtube;n_LYrnL8Noc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_LYrnL8Noc[/video]

[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;41339558]But Protesting with marches and chanting about what you feel is right is okay? So how is 2 people hold up signs and saying their beliefs wrong or bad?[/QUOTE] ?!?!? I am not saying that wtf? I even said I wasn't in my post.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41339212]Values aside, I respect those two preachers for standing up for what they believe in even when confronted with hundreds of people who oppose them. Not many people have convictions that strong these days.[/QUOTE] standing up for what you believe in isn't worthy of respect if what you believe in is awful [editline]7th July 2013[/editline] don't support attacking people but i'm not bothered by assholes getting decked either

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41340475]standing up for what you believe in isn't worthy of respect if what you believe in is awful[/QUOTE] Different people have different point of views, it doesn't legitimate the use of violence.

[QUOTE=arimi;41339243]talk shit get hit[/QUOTE] The last time I heard this kind of argument was 7th grade.

[QUOTE=Shark Cat;41339563]Fight bible bashers like this guy does [video=youtube;n_LYrnL8Noc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_LYrnL8Noc[/video][/QUOTE] I expected someone getting hit in the head with a brick instead I got a dickrophone

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;41340546]Different people have different point of views, it doesn't legitimate the use of violence.[/QUOTE] but when your different point of view revolves around dehumanizing a group of people due to their sexual orientation then you're awful. i'm not condoning violence

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41343262]but when your different point of view revolves around dehumanizing a group of people due to their sexual orientation then you're awful. i'm not condoning violence[/QUOTE] See the problem you are missing is WHO is the person calling them awful? A preacher among a group of gay protesters is 'awful' if not only 'bigoted' A gay protester among a group of preachers is 'awful' if not only 'sinful' A person who condemns extremist violence among a group of extremists is 'awful' if not only an 'infidel'. As kind-hearted as you try to portray yourself, there will always be someone who thinks you are awful for one reason or another. The choosing of what point of view is actually correct is something still up for debate. Regardless, in any of those situations, it takes a brave man to stand for his convictions in the face of massive potential force.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41343396]See the problem you are missing is WHO is the person calling them awful? A preacher among a group of gay protesters is 'awful' if not only 'bigoted' A gay protester among a group of preachers is 'awful' if not only 'sinful' A person who condemns extremist violence among a group of extremists is 'awful' if not only an 'infidel'. As kind-hearted as you try to portray yourself, there will always be someone who thinks you are awful for one reason or another. The choosing of what point of view is actually correct is something still up for debate. Regardless, in any of those situations, it takes a brave man to stand for his convictions in the face of massive potential force.[/QUOTE] except you see, one group want's equal treatment for everyone, the other group wants to dehumanize others for their sexual orientation.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41344318]except you see, one group want's equal treatment for everyone, the other group wants to dehumanize others for their sexual orientation.[/QUOTE] "One group wants to save everyone's souls, the other wants to promote sin" You still aren't getting it are you?

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41344444]"One group wants to save everyone's souls, the other wants to promote sin" You still aren't getting it are you?[/QUOTE] so do you extend the same respect towards racist skinheads and kkk members who stand up for what they believe in despite people opposing them?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41344591]so do you extend the same respect towards racist skinheads and kkk members who stand up for what they believe in despite people opposing them?[/QUOTE] Do I respect them for their tenacity? Yes. Do I respect them for their beliefs? No. Standing with your head held high even as people slander and denounce you is a virtue. What you do with that virtue is a different subject all together.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41344677]Do I respect them for their tenacity? Yes. Do I respect them for their beliefs? No. Standing with your head held high even as people slander and denounce you is a virtue. What you do with that virtue is a different subject all together.[/QUOTE] well alright i guess i think the act itself determines if its a virtue or not, like, i wouldn't consider someone virtuous for being charitable, if their charity was giving free switchblades to kids

Debating etiquette is something that factors into discussion, not sheer representation of opinion.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41344677]Do I respect them for their tenacity? Yes. Do I respect them for their beliefs? No. Standing with your head held high even as people slander and denounce you is a virtue. What you do with that virtue is a different subject all together.[/QUOTE] Being bullheaded is not a virtue. I know you're gonna tell me it is a virtue simply because "They stood up for themselves!" There's a line between believing in something so strongly that you're willing to take extreme consequences for it, and being so stupid as to not truly foresee the consequences. Considering these guys are prancing around sowing hatred, I'm taking the latter option. Punching people in the face isn't a good thing, and I don't condone what those guys did. However, I can sorta see where they're coming from sense they were in the heat of the moment.

[QUOTE=Morgy;41344950]Being bullheaded is not a virtue. [/QUOTE] I thought I had qualified my statement in my second post; [quote]Debating etiquette is something that factors into discussion, not sheer representation of opinion.[/quote] I am not advocating stubbornness, for that does not even play into this situation. I am going to use a metaphor to better illustrate my point; Parliament. During the debating hours, each is made to state his opinions, defend them, and generate discussion. During the voting hours, it is no longer a question of debate, but rather a question of representation. Each must hold their hand up for what they believe in. After the debate, if one man is not satisfied as to the reasoning of a stance, he is left dissenting. During the vote, it is a sign of virtue that he does not vote with the others solely due to the fact that he is outnumbered. To part with the metaphor, the debating hours are when, in this case, gays and preachers have civil discussions (although rare). The voting hours are when they protest, it is a sheer matter of representation. Just because there is many of them, and chance for social repercussion is large, does not mean that they are wrong in being steadfast in their representing.

really i think that's just a roundabout way of supporting bigots without sounding like a bigot yourself

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41345236]really i think that's just a roundabout way of supporting bigots without sounding like a bigot yourself[/QUOTE] Right, because two reasonable people cannot possibly disagree.

Wow, the comment section is just awful.