Graffiti is a way of life, it takes time and dedication it takes a long time to get from a toy to a respected writer. There isn't any learning process about street art which is why these artfags are clueless
Whilst Street Artists are preparing their stencils and paints at home or at Art School – or even getting them professionally made up - Graffiti writers are racking crates of paint. Another thing: writers go All City. That means getting their tag / throw up / piece up across the length and breadth of the city. Not just all Soho or all Williamsburg. Graffiti writers earn the respect they’re accorded.
People outside of Graffiti have no understanding about the blood, sweat and tears that goes into Graffiti. Do you know how many writers have died for their art? There are countless names of people who have been shot for trespassing, fallen off high spots, or been killed by trains. It seems that in New York alone, every year another writer bites the dust. And this happens to kids in cities across the world. Think also about how many writers have served time in jail, or have been crippled, lost their jobs or been kicked out of home. Graffiti writers are completely misunderstood and hated by wider society. And for what gain? Nothing. No gain whatsoever. But for expression; for a drive to themselves become a part of the landscape; for recognition from their peers. Street Artists are just flattering themselves when they compare what they do with Graffiti. Think about that next time you’re putting your wheatpaste over a tag.
I doodled this a while back, and my friend said it was akin to some street art he'd seen.
[img]http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/267/e/d/cusechromifer_nasvosdokein_by_bigorca107-d4aqzo0.jpg[/img]
It's on paper, so now I'm confused about the criteria something must meet to be street art.
help
Both sides, "real" writers and street artists, deserve respect in different ways and neither one should be treated as a whole. Some writers are really big dicks, and some street artists are idiots. If street artists follow the basic rules of graffiti then there's no reason for them to be disrespected. Just because something is "lame" or "faggy" or whatever doesn't make it okay to mess it up if it's a creation. Both sides should try to be more tolerant and understanding. Awhile ago I didn't think as much of old school graffiti artists, but I've looked them up more and they really deserve a shit load of credit. But some street artists deserve a lot of credit too. They need to be looked at as individuals.
well you came at a bad time but it looks ok but what is it
[QUOTE=homemade.;32511087]Graffiti is a way of life, it takes time and dedication it takes a long time to get from a toy to a respected writer. There isn't any learning process about street art which is why these artfags are clueless
Whilst Street Artists are preparing their stencils and paints at home or at Art School – or even getting them professionally made up - Graffiti writers are racking crates of paint. Another thing: writers go All City. That means getting their tag / throw up / piece up across the length and breadth of the city. Not just all Soho or all Williamsburg. Graffiti writers earn the respect they’re accorded.
People outside of Graffiti have no understanding about the blood, sweat and tears that goes into Graffiti. Do you know how many writers have died for their art? There are countless names of people who have been shot for trespassing, fallen off high spots, or been killed by trains. It seems that in New York alone, every year another writer bites the dust. And this happens to kids in cities across the world. Think also about how many writers have served time in jail, or have been crippled, lost their jobs or been kicked out of home. Graffiti writers are completely misunderstood and hated by wider society. And for what gain? Nothing. No gain whatsoever. But for expression; for a drive to themselves become a part of the landscape; for recognition from their peers. Street Artists are just flattering themselves when they compare what they do with Graffiti. Think about that next time you’re putting your wheatpaste over a tag.[/QUOTE]
It seems to me that you are looking for a distinction between street art and grafitti when it actually sounds like the same thing. Do you really think grafitti writers don't go over other works sometimes? And that "street artists" always go over grafitti? If both of those answers are no, then why do you distinguish street art from grafitti with it?
seriously I could replace the two terms in that post and it would mean the same thing
Can you please tell me what the difference between the two terms is in the technical sense?
graffiti writers do go over eacothers work... its called beef
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[IMG]http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr7y3lQj991qfffa4o1_500.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=homemade.;32511531]well you came at a bad time but it looks ok but what is it[/QUOTE]
i just wanted to make something so detailed and noisy that it becomes formless, yet bend it into a bi-laterally symmetrical shape so it might be somewhat recognizable, IE there being a visible "head" and "tail"
i didn't want to add eyes or anything attributable to the human form. seeing the top carapace as a head is purely relative, so seeing meaningful qualities in the piece relies on your current mindset and nothing else.
[sp]i'm not trying to make this sound ~2deep4u~, this is just what i had in mind when drawing it. i might re-do it with less haste and more attention to detail.[/sp]
[editline]27th September 2011[/editline]
and regarding the current shitstorm-
opinions are opinions. whoever deems graffiti as "better" than street art (or vice versa) is a dumbass.
you can think it's better, but that is an opinion. so is the quality of the artist himself, regardless of how pretentious, arrogant, or overall douchey he is.
technical prowess, however, is a constant.
so please let's get back on the art
[QUOTE=homemade.;32511607]graffiti writers do go over eacothers work... its called beef
[editline]27th September 2011[/editline]
[IMG]http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr7y3lQj991qfffa4o1_500.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Well then why is going over other people's works a qualifier for being labelled as an "art fag"?
Or rather, why are "street artists" being persecuted for it, if graffiti artists do it themelves anyway?
your argument makes no sense, I even looked up the meanings and the term street art is a hypernym that graffiti falls under
meaning that you're doing the equivalent of bashing fruit while praising an apple
[QUOTE=wewt!;32512097]Well then why is going over other people's works a qualifier for being labelled as an "art fag"?
Or rather, why are "street artists" being persecuted for it, if graffiti artists do it themelves anyway?
your argument makes no sense, I even looked up the meanings and the term street art is a hypernym that graffiti falls under
meaning that you're doing the equivalent of bashing fruit while praising an apple[/QUOTE]
also now i can't see the fucking metro routes
what kind of asshole tags shit that big on something people use
[QUOTE=homemade.;32511087]it takes a long time to get from a toy to a respected writer.[/QUOTE]
Implying your shit isn't toy.
[QUOTE=homemade.;32511087]Graffiti is a way of life, it takes time and dedication it takes a long time to get from a toy to a respected writer. There isn't any learning process about street art which is why these artfags are clueless
Whilst Street Artists are preparing their stencils and paints at home or at Art School – or even getting them professionally made up - Graffiti writers are racking crates of paint. Another thing: writers go All City. That means getting their tag / throw up / piece up across the length and breadth of the city. Not just all Soho or all Williamsburg. Graffiti writers earn the respect they’re accorded.
People outside of Graffiti have no understanding about the blood, sweat and tears that goes into Graffiti. Do you know how many writers have died for their art? There are countless names of people who have been shot for trespassing, fallen off high spots, or been killed by trains. It seems that in New York alone, every year another writer bites the dust. And this happens to kids in cities across the world. Think also about how many writers have served time in jail, or have been crippled, lost their jobs or been kicked out of home. Graffiti writers are completely misunderstood and hated by wider society. And for what gain? Nothing. No gain whatsoever. But for expression; for a drive to themselves become a part of the landscape; for recognition from their peers. Street Artists are just flattering themselves when they compare what they do with Graffiti. Think about that next time you’re putting your wheatpaste over a tag.[/QUOTE]
Have you personally sprayed anything, ever?
or are you too busy copy pasting things [url=http://tag-line.blogspot.com/2007/04/evaluations-debates-and-comparisons.html]from 4-year-old blogs[/url]
In my opinion, bashing tagging is like bashing calligraphy. it's an artform and just because there's some shitty annoying tags, doesn't mean tagging is shit. tagging is an artform, not a specific artwork. don't be artistically prejudice. It's like saying all rap sucks because you heard little wayne.
[editline]On another note[/editline]
In my opinion, bashing tagging is like bashing calligraphy. it's an artform and just because there's some shitty annoying tags, doesn't mean tagging is shit. tagging is an artform, not a specific artwork. don't be artistically prejudice.
you honestly can't lump something like this (completely as example, not my work)
[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_I2Vgp-Gddxs/SdC7kN7hoFI/AAAAAAAAGyI/ZQKrIrxNpkY/s400/tag+metroCIMG1487.JPG[/img]
with this
[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2311/2168896372_58cdcdf4a2.jpg[/img]
[editline]27th September 2011[/editline]
playing around in my blackbook
[img]http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8317/rustye.jpg[/img]
"U" needs work, any suggestions on U's?
[QUOTE=homemade.;32510551]he isnt getting mad at anthing hes getting mad at the "street artists"(pronounced artfags) that go over work from the 80's with shi... Highly original and thought provoking artworks
it's time the spoiled hipsters got a taste of reality. Old school Graffiti writers have to worry about their murals and production getting dissed and crossed out by toys, building workers and the City constantly - why should so-called 'Street Artists' get any preferential treatment? That kind of attitude draws a distinction between high and low Street Art, which is exactly the kind of bullshit that most artists would claim to be subverting. Welcome to the streets.
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Are you fucking serious dude, you claim to be pissed off with graff elitism but you could be its global representative. Your arguments are horrible and all over the place and taken in chunks from the web. You're obviously a huge toy with 0 originality who read one blog and decided that was the be-all and end-all, and that you were gonna preach that shit here. Still clinging to that example of Bansky altering that Robbo piece? Don't you REMEMBER the photo P found of it before Bansky did that, where it was actually worn and crossed to shit with tags?
From your first post here to your last you haven't had a leg to stand on, and now that you've shown us your own work, your credibility is [i]really[/i] fucked.
Everyone who puts art on the street is a street artist, whether it's a paste or a piece or a stencil. (Unless you do two-second tags, then you're a dickhead.)
If you're determined to have everything you stand for disassociated with "art" as some kind of new-school pretentious term that you think of it as, you're a huge twat. There is [b]nothing[/b] more immersed in the art of typography than traditional graffiti. You could argue that the newer deviations in street art are [i]less[/i] artistic because of their pre-prepared nature and the inclusion of other mediums like paper - the purest form of being a street artist is going out and painting freeform directly onto a wall, so your whole "art fags" mentality is just terribly back-to-front.
[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;32517201]where it was actually worn and crossed to shit with tags?[/QUOTE]
its still a big disrespect to use another artists piece in your own, especially the biggest writer in the uk.
And i dont really care what a bunch of dick riding artfags adn a couple of toys think about me
[editline]28th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=ManicMarauder;32514603][img]http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8317/rustye.jpg[/img]
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it burns my eyes(in a bad way)
take all the arrows off and write it like a normal person
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[QUOTE=ManicMarauder;32514603]In my opinion, bashing tagging is like bashing calligraphy. it's an artform and just because there's some shitty annoying tags, doesn't mean tagging is shit. tagging is an artform, not a specific artwork. don't be artistically prejudice. It's like saying all rap sucks because you heard little wayne.
[editline]On another note[/editline]
In my opinion, bashing tagging is like bashing calligraphy. it's an artform and just because there's some shitty annoying tags, doesn't mean tagging is shit. tagging is an artform, not a specific artwork. don't be artistically prejudice.
you honestly can't lump something like this (completely as example, not my work)
[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_I2Vgp-Gddxs/SdC7kN7hoFI/AAAAAAAAGyI/ZQKrIrxNpkY/s400/tag+metroCIMG1487.JPG[/img]
with this
[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2311/2168896372_58cdcdf4a2.jpg[/img]
[editline]27th September 2011[/editline]
playing around in my blackbook
[img]http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8317/rustye.jpg[/img]
"U" needs work, any suggestions on U's?[/QUOTE]
The first image looks like a signature to a bigger graffiti project, not an individual piece.
Homemade is an arrogant asshole who knows nothing of what he talks about i have realized.
I thought it was okay.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[editline]28th September 2011[/editline]
i agree mako
seeing this kind of stuff on the way home makes me sad and angry
[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2311/2168896372_58cdcdf4a2.jpg[/img]
seeing good tags is awesome
How are tags where you live?
Here we just kind of have them as a 'Look who's been here' kind of thing. Nothing really big, just small things you can tell people to look for
I like some tags, but not when the same one is EVERYWHERE.
This one group has their tags literally on every wall, in straight lines in one of the inner cities I live by.
The story behind why they did that is pretty neat though, the town painted over one of their works they worked really hard on, so they took their revenge by getting together like nine other kids, and they spraypainted the same tag all over the place.
[QUOTE=homemade.;32522421]And i dont really care what a bunch of dick riding artfags adn a couple of toys think about me[/QUOTE]
Look at your tags, and then call us toy, you hypocrite.
what the hell does "toy" even mean?
[QUOTE=3v3ryb0dy;32534753]what the hell does "toy" even mean?[/QUOTE]
Means a novice at street art. Just searched it on urban dictionary
[QUOTE=ManicMarauder;32514603][img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_I2Vgp-Gddxs/SdC7kN7hoFI/AAAAAAAAGyI/ZQKrIrxNpkY/s400/tag+metroCIMG1487.JPG[/img]
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What kind of tool was used for that?
I have two poster boards that I'm going to use for one big stencil but I have no idea what to do just yet. I wish I could get started already but I really don't have any ideas.
[QUOTE=mzathemind;32549517]What kind of tool was used for that?[/QUOTE]
A mop, it looks like it might have been a flat mopped ink pen with a lot of ink. I could be wrong though, I make my own mops.
[QUOTE=Pascall;32549521]I have two poster boards that I'm going to use for one big stencil but I have no idea what to do just yet. I wish I could get started already but I really don't have any ideas.[/QUOTE]
Do some Benson.
A giant Benson spray painted on the side of the Mexican embassy down town.
Seems legit.
Do a Pascall original, you'll like it better in the end.
I remember the first time I did graff I was so scared of getting caught I wasn't paying attention to quality and was worried about getting the hell outof sight. Second time I had to prove I was skilled.
[QUOTE=Pascall;32549540]A giant Benson spray painted on the side of the Mexican embassy down town.
Seems legit.[/QUOTE]
Did you already do that? Or is that something you might do?
It has never been done and I have no intention of doing it lol.
[QUOTE=homemade.;32522421]its still a big disrespect to use another artists piece in your own, especially the biggest writer in the uk.
And i dont really care what a bunch of dick riding artfags adn a couple of toys think about me
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No matter what you're saying about Street Art versus Graffiti, you're still throwing yourself into this argument claiming that all street artists are rich art school kids and all graffiti artists are people who bleed for their art and live on the edge. It's stupid because you obviously haven't bled for your art, and you most likely are just looking up to people who hold these opinions. What makes you so dedicated to graffiti, from the looks of your tags you haven't been doing it for very long. You most likely can't draw or do street art anyway, not to imply that graffiti artists aren't street artists because they lack talent. I think there are some very talented graffiti artists, just stop trying to pretend you're some kind of edgy cool graffiti kid wrapped up in a battle. Let me remind you you're on a video game forum.
I try to make my graff artistic as possible, to show I have artistic skill as well as the balls to do graff.
IMO "artfags" have more balls because it takes a ton more time, unless it's big homemade stencils that you ran up and pasted fucking huge reall quickly.
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