Why is it so important to do things "for your country" - General

It all comes down to the uprising of nationalist tendencies in the 1800s in Europe... up until that point, patriotism and nationalism were not such important values. Ultimately, you shouldn't feel obligated to do anything for your country. Nationalism was an invention that would help band people together so that they would be strong enough to take over land for themselves. It's a machination to aid the government.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18536127]list of "proper wars" since the end of World War 2: ...[/QUOTE] Define proper; because I don't define proper as nuking an entire city just to prove a point.

"good of the many" bullshit. I like to think I'm more important than everybody else. I wouldn't die for my country, but I'd gladly let others die for it.

[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;18536260]Define proper; because I don't define proper as nuking an entire country just to prove a point.[/QUOTE] Pearl harbor is a "point"?

[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;18536260]Define proper; because I don't define proper as nuking an entire country just to prove a point.[/QUOTE] People forget that war has changed it face a lot (MW2 taught me this :downs:), so probably we'll never see another "world war", but a lot of "small country says "fuck you" to a bigger one and the bigger one runs the small country over" wars.

because every nation needs someone to defend it and if you want to live here you should be willing to defend it also, no freeloaders allowed, ok

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;18536276]Pearl harbor is a "point"?[/QUOTE] It was Japans way of showing a point that US should sell some goddamn oil to Japan.

[QUOTE=SnakeHead;18536306]because every nation needs someone to defend it and if you want to live here you should be willing to defend it also, no freeloaders allowed, ok[/QUOTE] ok, then i'll go to canada!

[QUOTE=evilking1;18536292]People forget that war has changed it face a lot (MW2 taught me this :downs:), so probably we'll never see another "world war", but a lot of "small country says "fuck you" to a bigger one and the bigger one runs the small country over" wars.[/QUOTE] And the dumbest post of the day award goes to...

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;18536344]ok, then i'll go to canada![/QUOTE] What if canada gets involved? Switzerland is a goddamn small place for 10 million draft dodgers.

[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;18536260]Define proper; because I don't define proper as nuking an entire city just to prove a point.[/QUOTE] To be fair, we did warn the inhabitants in those cities days before we nuked them. Also, they were targeted for tactical purposes not because we wanted to blow up cities. Not saying I support the decision, I'm just giving it representation.

[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;18536355]And the dumbest post of the day award goes to...[/QUOTE] [I]Fingers crossed fingers crossed fingers crossed...[/I]

Because we have a biological need to remain within a group, and therefor we naturally look upon self sacrifice for the society as good, regardless of the consequences for others or the moral implications.

[QUOTE=Luxo;18536364]To be fair, we did warn the inhabitants in those cities days before we nuked them. Also, they were targeted for tactical purposes not because we wanted to blow up cities.[/QUOTE] What I was really saying, is that "proper" is subjective, so you can't simple state that some wars were proper, while other were improper, because it's all opinion. [QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18536387]Because we have a biological need to remain within a group, and therefor we naturally look upon self sacrifice for the society as good, regardless of the consequences for others or the moral implications.[/QUOTE] That's not a biological need, Einstein.

[QUOTE=evilking1;18536362]What if canada gets involved? Switzerland is a goddamn small place for 10 million draft dodgers.[/QUOTE] mexico

[QUOTE=Luxo;18536364]To be fair, we did warn the inhabitants in those cities days before we nuked them. Also, they were targeted for tactical purposes not because we wanted to blow up cities.[/QUOTE] Didn't the warning go like "We're gonna kill you unless you surrender!" And blowing up one city might've sufficed.

Have you read "On the Rainy River"? That story reminds me of this.

[QUOTE=Luxo;18536364]To be fair, we did warn the inhabitants in those cities days before we nuked them. Also, they were targeted for tactical purposes not because we wanted to blow up cities. Not saying I support the decision, I'm just giving it representation.[/QUOTE] Except we were close to a treaty at the time of the nuking, so the whole thing was a big US penis parade.

[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;18536404]What I was really saying, is that "proper" is subjective, so you can't simple state that some wars were proper, while other were improper, because it's all opinion.[/QUOTE] True [QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18536426]Except we were close to a treaty at the time of the nuking, so the whole thing was a big US penis parade.[/QUOTE] Not really

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18536387]Because we have a biological need to remain within a group, and therefor we naturally look upon self sacrifice for the society as good, regardless of the consequences for others or the moral implications.[/QUOTE] My biological need is not to get fucking shot at.

[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;18536404]What I was really saying, is that "proper" is subjective, so you can't simple state that some wars were proper, while other were improper, because it's all opinion. That's not a biological need, Einstein.[/QUOTE] It's my [I]opinion[/I] that there were no WMD's in Iraq?

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;18536465]It's my [I]opinion[/I] that there were no WMD's in Iraq?[/QUOTE] Not very bright, eh?

[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;18536071]I'd rather have an occupation in which I'm not getting shot at; the army is for people who feel that they owe something, or for people who just wanna shoot up some towel heads.[/QUOTE] actually 3% of the army's jobs are infantry, the rest are support. thats the united states army, don't know if you mean something else.

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;18536344]ok, then i'll go to canada![/QUOTE] good, get your pussy ass out of here. or better yet, create your own nation, but if russia decides it wants to annex you, you have to let them since you don't believe in fighting for what is yours.

Read Ayn Rand and call your dad collectivist pond scum.

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;18536465]It's my [I]opinion[/I] that there were no WMD's in Iraq?[/QUOTE] Opinion is "Cheney said that there probably are WMD's in Iraq" Fact is that hindsight is 20/20

[QUOTE=Nanaki;18536533]Read Ayn Rand and call your dad collectivist pond scum.[/QUOTE] What is Ayn Rand? I always hear about it on FP but never get the time to look it up.

[QUOTE=SnakeHead;18536530]good, get your pussy ass out of here. or better yet, create your own nation, but if russia decides it wants to annex you, you have to let them since you don't believe in fighting for what is yours.[/QUOTE] This country isn't mine. I don't own shit and I never agreed to this shit, i was BORN here

[QUOTE=SnakeHead;18536530]good, get your pussy ass out of here. or better yet, create your own nation, but if russia decides it wants to annex you, you have to let them since you don't believe in fighting for what is yours.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah man, you totally told him!

[QUOTE=Nanaki;18536533]Read Ayn Rand and call your dad collectivist pond scum.[/QUOTE] lol, I was just about to post that, I second this mans motion. I just finished reading The Fountainhead and am beginning Atlas Shrugged. Look into objectivism if you really seriously want to find the answers to your questions. [QUOTE=Charlie Charles;18536551]What is Ayn Rand? I always hear about it on FP but never get the time to look it up.[/QUOTE] Ayn Rand was an Author who created the philosophy of "Objectivism", which is a philosophy which is entirely based on logic and reason. It says that the purpose of ones life is the pursuit of ones rational self interest, and supports such ideas as Individualism, Small government, and Capitolism.