[QUOTE=KingOfScience;39026930]thought you could slip that barkley reference in there without anyone noticing? hahahaha WRONG[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7pBojhvnao[/media]
[QUOTE=The Calzone;39026894]really you can do that to most of the trolls though[/QUOTE]
not even close nice try though
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karkat: main character of the arc, overall team leader, opened the virus that began the troll apocalypse, first troll we're introduced to even before hivebent
aradia: clean-up crew to make sure the session ran smoothly, helped the trolls escape jack noir, actually the one who discovered the initial code for sgrub in the underground frog temple, takes initial revenge for tavros' broken legs. when she goes god tier, she helps hold off jack even more
tavros: his broken legs sets off the chain reaction that blinds terezi, disarms vriska, and kills aradia. third/fourth troll we meet before hivebent. only slightly more important than nepeta
sollux: serves as foil to eridan, is used to kill aradia, pilots the asteroid, and i believe he's the one that actually coded sgrub into a computer game
terezi: foil to vriska, kills vriska, second troll we're introduced to outside hivebent, probably did more but i'm forgetting
kanaya: carrier of the matriorb, aka that thing that would help facilitate troll reproduction. kills eridan, main example we have of the auspistice (clubs) troll relationship.
vriska: do i even need to list them all i'm getting tired
equius: builds tavros' robot legs and aradia's robot body.
gamzee: most important character in homestuck hello???
eridan: kills feferi, half-kills sollux, half-kills kanaya, destroys matriorb
feferi: convinces horrorterrors to create dreambubbles for her dead friends to reside in
nepeta: make cat puns, crush on karkat, job = done
not to mention everyone that's still alive gets bonus usefulness points
The whole "Nepeta and Feferi are together because they're the most useless characters in Homestuck and that's why Gamzee is doing this" makes no sense from an in-story perspective, since we can assume that Nepeta was an active and competent Sburb player.
And Fefeta or whatever her name is not being able to talk was just a thing that happened for some reason at that moment in time presumably because Hussie didn't want to write their combined quirks and to piss off the Nepeta fans, since Roxy states that she can normally talk just fine.
Hell, if it wasn't for Tumblr and Hussie constantly spiting them, I wouldn't be surprised if Nepeta turned out to actually achieve something important after all.
It's like people forgot Nepeta was Equius's moirail, getting him to act less creepy and bossy overall.
yeah if nepeta wasn't there for equius he'd probably go beyond wrecking just robots.
like, he could have fucked a whole lot of shit up if he wasn't being kept under control by her.
i guess you could just chalk that up to hussie wanting to control the story so that didn't happen, so he made nepeta as a plot device, but their moirallegience is pretty endearing and authentic.
well, as authentic as a fictional sort of relationship between two alien teens can be, i guess, but man, they worked fucking flawlessly according to the rules of moirallegience.
i guess nepeta doesn't have too much use besides that but w/e
If you don't like a character or find them boring
there are literally dozens of other ones
"unimportant characters"
guys you forget that this is Homestuck
"chekhov's armoury" doesn't even cover it
it's more like a whole world populated with chekhov's guns, with whole cities constructed out of more guns and the buildings being filled with guns, just guns everywhere
a whole fucking multiverse made out of guns
chekhov can't make a move without tripping over these guns
tries to scratch his nose, a winchester blows it off
what I'm trying to say here is that p. much everything is important in some way
prolly even nepeta
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you guys would be terrible writers if you think that any character whose purpose is not obvious and objective is "useless" "a joke character" "unimportant" etc.
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this obviously doesn't apply to cronus whose sole purpose is to prove just how far aquarius apologists will go to fawn over a character with no redeeming characteristics whatsoever
just
fuck that guy
ugh... dont say a character i like is unimportant or my autism is gonna flare up,,
is it really that uncomfortable to you when someone says that Nepeta is largely irrelevant? do you feel the need to attack this statement or something
i fuckin love a lot of the A1 trolls but I don't go ape when someone says 90% of them aren't important
characters don't have to be important to be cool or likeable
[sp]not that nepeta is a cool character cat puns suck[/sp]
[QUOTE=Nikita;39026162]I like Mary Sues more than balanced characters.[/QUOTE]
i don't think you know what a mary sue is
closest thing in the story atm isn't Dirk, but Jade who was set up as a blatant parody (the only one of her friends with a magic parent, with all kinds of crazy technology, with magic seer knowledge and a seemingly infallible personality)
Hussie attempted a deconstruction of the "all powerful and successful sue" with her by giving her actual emotions (namely anger) and having her fail at stuff, but now that she's a first guardian sprite god that can toss around planets like baseballs it looks like he.. uh.. deconstructed his deconstruction???
nepeta is important in terms of keeping themes going (astrology, internet subculture parody, the DNA chat tags) she's just inconsequential as we know her so far. maybe fefeta sprite will be really important who knows
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[QUOTE=Corporal Yippie;39028832]i don't think you know what a mary sue is
closest thing in the story atm isn't Dirk, but Jade who was set up as a blatant parody (the only one of her friends with a magic parent, with all kinds of crazy technology, with magic seer knowledge and a seemingly infallible personality)
Hussie attempted a deconstruction of the "all powerful and successful sue" with her by giving her actual emotions (namely anger) and having her fail at stuff, but now that she's a first guardian sprite god that can toss around planets like baseballs it looks like he.. uh.. deconstructed his deconstruction???[/QUOTE]
i always thought mary sues had to be self-insertive to a large degree though, otherwise they're just shitty characters in general
[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;39027759]yeah if nepeta wasn't there for equius he'd probably go beyond wrecking just robots.
like, he could have fucked a whole lot of shit up if he wasn't being kept under control by her.
i guess you could just chalk that up to hussie wanting to control the story so that didn't happen, so he made nepeta as a plot device, but their moirallegience is pretty endearing and authentic.
well, as authentic as a fictional sort of relationship between two alien teens can be, i guess, but man, they worked fucking flawlessly according to the rules of moirallegience.
i guess nepeta doesn't have too much use besides that but w/e[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure at some point Equius even basically says "if it weren't for you I'd be doing what Gamzee is doing right now" or Nepeta said he would, so yeah, Nepeta had her part, it was keeping Equius from going batshit.
They barely managed to deal with Gamzee/Eridan/Vriska screwing shit around, if Equius was in the mix I'm pretty sure they'd barely be two trolls left maybe.
And Homestuck isn't over yet, it's a story where death doesn't really stop a character from doing important actions so I wouldn't call anyone useless yet, not until the very last page of HS. As kind of said before.
Or maybe I'm just butthurt I don't know, I like Nepeta. We have the same interests. Cats, tea and drawing and shit.
[QUOTE=TheHydra;39029107]i always thought mary sues had to be self-insertive to a large degree though[/QUOTE]
thats the strict definition, yeah: a sue is an inserted character that is oft used as wish fulfillment for the author
its true that she isn't a textbook sue, she isn't insertive at all, its just that sues are usually coupled with the terms I described (superpowerful, liked by all (she hits this note while Dirk does not)) and I haven't found a word that hits the description more accurately than "sue" (shit character doesn't have the same ring to it)
I think Hussie is more accurately trying to make Dirk the "sue" parody because he actually talks like Hussie and shares his interests (Hussie already said Dave was a tad of an insert joke so Dirk is like even moreso) but I don't get what he's going to do with Jade, I hope he doesn't just drag her around as a plot device
Am I the only one who never noticed that Jade was supposed to be a mary sue until everybody went SHE'S A DECONSTRUCTION OF A MARY SUE HUSSIE IS SO EDGY?
[QUOTE=Corporal Yippie;39029165]thats the strict definition, yeah: a sue is an inserted character that is oft used as wish fulfillment for the author
its true that she isn't a textbook sue, she isn't insertive at all, its just that sues are usually coupled with the terms I described (superpowerful, liked by all (she hits this note while Dirk does not)) and I haven't found a word that hits the description more accurately than "sue" (shit character doesn't have the same ring to it)[/QUOTE]
i think mary sue gets the idea across well enough. idk i just felt like bringing up semantics. sorry.
a lot of the characters in the story are clusterfuck super saiyan 500 level powerful but i think lord english is going to ruin their goddamn lives once it comes to that
[QUOTE=Reds;39029184]Am I the only one who never noticed that Jade was supposed to be a mary sue until everybody went SHE'S A DECONSTRUCTION OF A MARY SUE HUSSIE IS SO EDGY?[/QUOTE]
woah there dude since when is playing with presumed character archetypes an "edgy" thing
welcome to literature!
can you guys imagine the way later homestuck volumes where half the book consists of screenshots of an HTML5 game
I'm excited for his commentary on the development of them, like how much input he had on the A1 designs or the music tracks
I also hope he rips into things like the first grandma kanaya sprite but he won't
i kind of wish hussie would just george lucas it and replace those sprites. the inconsistency bothers me and there's no stylistic justification for it.
actually i really wish he'd do that. i also wish he'd fire abortedslunk's creepy, whiny ass from the team and never associate with him again
[QUOTE=Corporal Yippie;39029212]woah there dude since when is playing with presumed character archetypes an "edgy" thing
welcome to literature![/QUOTE]
Look, I know that sarcasm doesn't travel well over the internet but I wasn't being serious.
Also, isn't Abortedslunk good at backgrounds sprites and everything but people?
[QUOTE=Reds;39029332]Look, I know that sarcasm doesn't travel well over the internet but I wasn't being serious.
Also, isn't Abortedslunk good at backgrounds sprites and everything but people?[/QUOTE]
he's good at backgrounds, he can render stuff well in pixels (when he's not taking creative liberties), and he's good at monster design (as you can probably tell by his inhuman faces). he designed and named the beat mesa. he's just...god, he just needs to stop trying with people unless he's gonna sit down and draw a thousand faces in a week or something
hold the phone since when did jade have an infallible personality.
shes straight up DANGEROUSLY stupid while robo sleeping, kind of a klutz, hates herself to some degree, and is also kind of a nutcase. remember the "grandpa strife"?? yeah.
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also her magic parent straight up made everything terrible and worse for everyone and the only reason she knew the future is through skaia's clouds
which any waking prospit player has access to.
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;39030638]hold the phone since when did jade have an infallible personality.
shes straight up DANGEROUSLY stupid while robo sleeping, kind of a klutz, hates herself to some degree, and is also kind of a nutcase. remember the "grandpa strife"?? yeah.
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also her magic parent straight up made everything terrible and worse for everyone and the only reason she knew the future is through skaia's clouds
which any waking prospit player has access to.[/QUOTE]
"Ditzy" is one of the classic "weaknesses" that most sparklypoo Sues have. It serves to show that the character is innocent and oh so good at everything even when she's not really even sure what's going on. "Clumsyness" is the second and it serves to make a character cuter and generally is only invoked when it's not terribly inconvenient for the Sue.
The grandpa strife thing is a running gag, so it's kinda irrelevant, except for the fact that is shows that she primarily raised herself and is therefor self sufficient. Her anger is only shown after the deconstruction begins and serves to differentiate her from being too much of a Sue.
people seem to be under the impression that Jade is a mary sue because of her big part in Cascade which, to be fair, had her doing shit on a level far past anything anyone in the story had previously done, and then immediately after it provided a shit-ton of exposition that she had no business knowing
I mean she's been pretty much a non-character since the beginning though which only got worse as Hussie started to explain all of the things that made her important, like Itachi said. Really the only thing going for her as a character was the knowing the future thing, and as soon as Hussie revealed that Skaia's clouds were behind that and that literally anybody can use them for that purpose Jade lost an integral part of her character and just became "silly and kinda stupid because raised by dog on island," and even then that aspect of her was never utilized to the fullest.
Really all Jade ever was was a plot vehicle in the same line as Dirk except a LOT less interesting.
And also kawaii moe fap bait.
Actually especially that.
Discussing how important characters are is dumb actually. It is true that some characters have much less important roles in Homestuck than others, but we should still appreciate that they mostly end up developed characters with distinct and nuanced personalities.
Hussie is a great writer for this reason: even the least important characters are not two dimensional.
Person why is it every time someone criticized Homestuck in the slightest you show up to essentially say "no hussie is perf everythin in perf i lovve huss"
There are totally one-dimensional characters in Homestuck. Nepeta is one, and Jade is pretty damned close to it.
I never thought of Jade as a sue (I guess I'm wrong idk)
but of the eight human kids she is easily my least favorite.
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;39031803]I never thought of Jane as a sue (I guess I'm wrong idk)
but of the eight human kids she is easily my least favorite.[/QUOTE]
She's not a mary sue but she's insanely boring, which is incredibly disappointing given the fact that she was raised by a dog on an island in the middle of the pacific ocean. How do you make a character with that backstory boring?
Jade is like the only time where I will happily accept the tumblr interpretation over the actual character.
EXCUSE ME, I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHO THE REAL SUE IN HOMESTUCK IS.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/vJsgg.png[/img]
CRABDAD.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;39031857]She's not a mary sue but she's insanely boring, which is incredibly disappointing given the fact that she was raised by a dog on an island in the middle of the pacific ocean. How do you make a character with that backstory boring?
Jade is like the only time where I will happily accept the tumblr interpretation over the actual character.[/QUOTE]
we're talking about jane here
jade rules
I don't see why a character "without development" makes them unlikeable, all characters have their different personalities, with traits and flaws it what makes them characters and not plot machines. Do you think comedy movies would be that funny if it didn't contain some scenes with characters that contribute nothing to the story but serve as a joke? (Yeah these aren't really characters but you get the point)
I like them all but with some exceptions of one or two being favourites
[QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;39032026]we're talking about jane here
jade rules[/QUOTE]
nobody was talking about jane and jade is boring as fuck
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