[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;53056050]Will you argue your point with your own words, or will you keep using someone else's?
Also, what a bad point[/QUOTE]
A core point of Vedic philosophy, which also extends to any holy text, is that the words themselves are transcendental and perfect. They're not the words of some mundane philosopher but they are considered apauruṣeyā. By following that philosophy as it is, without interperation, you can come to the platform of perfection and transcendental happiness as well. As stated in the Isopanishad:
"That is perfect. This is perfect. Perfect comes from perfect. Take perfect from perfect, the remainder is perfect. May peace and peace and peace be everywhere." (Isopanishad invocation mantra)
Souls materially conditioned commit mistakes and are illusioned, thus it is not possible for a man to concoct a system of philosophy which encaptures perfection with his own imperfect mind. Mental speculation on truth only leaves one with what-ifs, maybes, and possibilities, but no truth in and of itself. Truth has to be taken from a perfected authority. Hence the entire system of Vedic guruship is passing down the original transcendental knowledge from guru to student without altering, adding onto, or subtracting from the original content. If one presents an argument quoting a transcendental authority, then there is no question of fault within it.
I can quote things too. How's this:
[QUOTE]If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;53056118]I can quote things too. How's this:[/QUOTE]
The means to obtain real happiness can be easily explained: Material enjoyment that most people take to be happiness is merely a shadow of the real spiritual bliss which constitutes real happiness. Practice bhakti-yoga and automatically your life becomes perfected and you obtain transcendental happiness even within this life.
That's the gist of all Vedic wisdom, but to delineate on it more intricate explanations are required to understand the philosophy behind it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;53056058]Are you honestly discounting the words of philosophers who's names we still know for the impact they left in the field of thought?
If someone's using someone else's words maybe there's a reason for that? Sometimes quoting people who said an idea best is better than muddling the idea up with your own words[/QUOTE]
Aristotle is a great thinker who gets cited to this day but it doesn't mean his ideas about the nature of reality aren't completely bonkers. Just because someone was a great philosopher doesn't mean we should just blindly accept what they are saying, especially when it comes to the nature of the universe.
"Is YouTube Really Worth It?" says the man who's actions made YouTube "Not worth it" for so many others due to the Adpocalypse incurred by his racist content.
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[QUOTE=certified;53056129]"Is YouTube Really Worth It?" says the man who's actions made YouTube "Not worth it" for so many others due to the Adpocalypse incurred by his racist content.[/QUOTE]
Not even worth mentioning anymore considering Logan Paul's even more insensitive video that was ACTUALLY posted on YouTube, followed by YouTube's complete inaction for 9 days.
[QUOTE=Lancemate;53056037]It is the direct word of the Vedas themselves that I am talking about in relation to happiness, not some half-baked system of pseudo-spiritual philosophy. In my post above I even included a direct quote from the Srimad Bhagavatam although I did not cite it (SB 7.15.15). The problem of modern society is that they are mistaking material enjoyment for happiness. The result of this identification of enjoyment for happiness is depression, burnout, misery, etc. George Harrison has quite a nice quote in relation:
"Before we sort of made it, as they say, money was part of the goal, but it still wasn't a sort of, 'Let's get some money.' We suddenly had money, and then it wasn't all that good. By having the money, we found that money wasn't the answer, because we had lots of material things that people sort of spend their whole life to try to get. And we managed to get them at quite an early age. And it was good, really, because we learned that that wasn't it. We still lacked something. And that something is the thing that religion is trying to give to people."
The soul of a being is spiritual, but it has been placed into a material atmosphere. In order for one to be happy, he must return to the spiritual atmosphere because nothing else will ultimately satisfy him. It is like how you can offer a fish out of water all the pleasures in the world, but the fish will simply struggle for existence until placed back into its natural condition. While in a material environment, the soul is simply eternally struggling for existence and no amount of material opulence can rectify this core problem, even though it may adjust the amount of comfort one may experience. The permanent happiness that Felix spoke about in his previous video on happiness comes through spiritual means; any happiness derived from material means is ultimately temporary and not satisfying. The Srimad Bhagavatam elaborates further on this matter:
"Therefore, O King Citraketu, carefully consider the position of the ātmā. In other words, try to understand who you are—whether body, mind or soul. Consider where you have come from, where you are going after giving up this body, and why you are under the control of material lamentation. Try to understand your real position in this way, and then you will be able to give up your unnecessary attachment. You will also be able to give up the belief that this material world, or anything not directly in touch with service to Kṛṣṇa, is eternal. Thus you will obtain peace." (SB 6.15.26)
Furthermore in relation to the necessity of work the Bhagavatam says:
"Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one’s heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever." (SB 5.5.1)
People are being educated and trained to work very hard for material enjoyment, and there is no sublime aim in life. A man travels to earn his livelihood, leaving home early in the morning, catching a local train and being packed in a compartment. He has to stand for an hour or two in order to reach his place of business. Then again he takes a bus to get to the office. At the office he works hard from nine to five; then he takes two or three hours to return home. After eating, he has sex and goes to sleep. For all this hardship, his only happiness is a little sex. Human life is not meant for such things, it is meant for escaping the clutches of the material atmosphere to attain actual spiritual happiness. Material wealth can shield the materialistic man from baseline sufferings to an extent, but in reality there is no need for such material wealth whatsoever because if one takes to the path of self-realization automatically he is given all necessities and protection from such dangers. This is confirmed not only in the Vedas (specifically in the Bhagavad Gita), but also in Buddhist sutras, the Quran, Bible, etc. Not only, again such protection and provision of necessities like food and shelter can be observed in the life of those who have renounced material life in pursuit of self-realization.[/QUOTE]
Y'know it kind of betrays your whole point that you're an Overwatch player posting on a Garry's Mod forum on your computer over the internet.
[QUOTE=Lancemate;53055628]Everyone wants to accumulate riches, everyone wants to enjoy life to the greatest extent, everyone wants a wife, home and children, but actually none of these things constitute real happiness but only incur bondage to miserable conditions. It is like how if one keeps a large amount of cash with him, he is always anxious about keeping it properly. People perceive happiness to be the fulfillment of some material desire when reality it is the absence of material desire. Even if a man is poor, he should not endeavor to improve his economic condition just to maintain his body and soul together. Just as a great python, although lying in one place, not endeavoring for its livelihood, gets the food it needs to maintain body and soul, one who is desireless also obtains his livelihood without endeavor. This is not fortune cookie nonsense, because there are monks, sannyasis, bodhisattvas, and rishis who are living embodiment of the reality of this principle and are the happiest people on Earth. Despite this, all of western society unfortunately operates on the false idea that hard, strenuous work somehow brings happiness. Happiness come through the medium of self-realization, not through perpetually attempting to fulfill material desires.[/QUOTE]
Okay then gimme your money since you don't need it to be happy
[QUOTE=Lancemate;53056089]A core point of Vedic philosophy, which also extends to any holy text, is that the words themselves are transcendental and perfect. They're not the words of some mundane philosopher but they are considered apauruṣeyā. By following that philosophy as it is, without interperation, you can come to the platform of perfection and transcendental happiness as well. As stated in the Isopanishad:
"That is perfect. This is perfect. Perfect comes from perfect. Take perfect from perfect, the remainder is perfect. May peace and peace and peace be everywhere." (Isopanishad invocation mantra)
Souls materially conditioned commit mistakes and are illusioned, thus it is not possible for a man to concoct a system of philosophy which encaptures perfection with his own imperfect mind. Mental speculation on truth only leaves one with what-ifs, maybes, and possibilities, but no truth in and of itself. Truth has to be taken from a perfected authority. Hence the entire system of Vedic guruship is passing down the original transcendental knowledge from guru to student without altering, adding onto, or subtracting from the original content. If one presents an argument quoting a transcendental authority, then there is no question of fault within it.[/QUOTE]
No offense to your religious beliefs, you do whatever makes you happy, but for fucks sake do not go around spewing shit about how everyone else should just adopt your religious beliefs and they'll magically become happy, that's just not how the world works. Humans are not identical, what works for you will not automatically work for everyone else, especially in a case like this.
There is no such thing as literal perfection. There is no transcendental authority that's imparted unknowable wisdom onto you. You can trick yourself into believing there is and maybe that really is what makes you happy, but not everyone has the privilege of being able to deceive themselves so thoroughly. If you can, good for you I guess, I hope you [i]are[/i] happy. But fuck off and leave me alone with your pseudo-spiritual philosophy bullshit.
He's got a widowmaker meme avatar, it's clearly bait
This reminded me of an interesting video I've seen some time ago that is relevant to Pewdiepie's thoughts on content creators not being happy/fulfilled.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS6zInjU67U[/media]
Having no sense of progress after hitting a certain point can be a real bitch.
A boatload of studies nowadays show that recreational time spent in front of a screen directly correlates with unhappyness/depression, I am not surprised.
I significantly turned down my internet/game/media consumption and I am much much more happy nowadays.
[QUOTE=Lancemate;53056037]It is the direct word of the Vedas themselves that I am talking about in relation to happiness, not some half-baked system of pseudo-spiritual philosophy. In my post above I even included a direct quote from the Srimad Bhagavatam although I did not cite it (SB 7.15.15). The problem of modern society is that they are mistaking material enjoyment for happiness. The result of this identification of enjoyment for happiness is depression, burnout, misery, etc. George Harrison has quite a nice quote in relation:
"Before we sort of made it, as they say, money was part of the goal, but it still wasn't a sort of, 'Let's get some money.' We suddenly had money, and then it wasn't all that good. By having the money, we found that money wasn't the answer, because we had lots of material things that people sort of spend their whole life to try to get. And we managed to get them at quite an early age. And it was good, really, because we learned that that wasn't it. We still lacked something. And that something is the thing that religion is trying to give to people."
The soul of a being is spiritual, but it has been placed into a material atmosphere. In order for one to be happy, he must return to the spiritual atmosphere because nothing else will ultimately satisfy him. It is like how you can offer a fish out of water all the pleasures in the world, but the fish will simply struggle for existence until placed back into its natural condition. While in a material environment, the soul is simply eternally struggling for existence and no amount of material opulence can rectify this core problem, even though it may adjust the amount of comfort one may experience. The permanent happiness that Felix spoke about in his previous video on happiness comes through spiritual means; any happiness derived from material means is ultimately temporary and not satisfying. The Srimad Bhagavatam elaborates further on this matter:
"Therefore, O King Citraketu, carefully consider the position of the ātmā. In other words, try to understand who you are—whether body, mind or soul. Consider where you have come from, where you are going after giving up this body, and why you are under the control of material lamentation. Try to understand your real position in this way, and then you will be able to give up your unnecessary attachment. You will also be able to give up the belief that this material world, or anything not directly in touch with service to Kṛṣṇa, is eternal. Thus you will obtain peace." (SB 6.15.26)
Furthermore in relation to the necessity of work the Bhagavatam says:
"Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one’s heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever." (SB 5.5.1)
People are being educated and trained to work very hard for material enjoyment, and there is no sublime aim in life. A man travels to earn his livelihood, leaving home early in the morning, catching a local train and being packed in a compartment. He has to stand for an hour or two in order to reach his place of business. Then again he takes a bus to get to the office. At the office he works hard from nine to five; then he takes two or three hours to return home. After eating, he has sex and goes to sleep. For all this hardship, his only happiness is a little sex. Human life is not meant for such things, it is meant for escaping the clutches of the material atmosphere to attain actual spiritual happiness. Material wealth can shield the materialistic man from baseline sufferings to an extent, but in reality there is no need for such material wealth whatsoever because if one takes to the path of self-realization automatically he is given all necessities and protection from such dangers. This is confirmed not only in the Vedas (specifically in the Bhagavad Gita), but also in Buddhist sutras, the Quran, Bible, etc. Not only, again such protection and provision of necessities like food and shelter can be observed in the life of those who have renounced material life in pursuit of self-realization.[/QUOTE]
You're THAT guy in philosophy class right
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[QUOTE=certified;53056129]"Is YouTube Really Worth It?" says the man who's actions made YouTube "Not worth it" for so many others due to the Adpocalypse incurred by his racist content.[/QUOTE]
Saying pewdiepie makes "racist content" is pretty dishonest, blaming him for the adpocalypse is even more so
[QUOTE=Lancemate;53056037]It is the direct word of the Vedas themselves that I am talking about in relation to happiness, not some half-baked system of pseudo-spiritual philosophy. In my post above I even included a direct quote from the Srimad Bhagavatam although I did not cite it (SB 7.15.15). The problem of modern society is that they are mistaking material enjoyment for happiness. The result of this identification of enjoyment for happiness is depression, burnout, misery, etc. George Harrison has quite a nice quote in relation:
"Before we sort of made it, as they say, money was part of the goal, but it still wasn't a sort of, 'Let's get some money.' We suddenly had money, and then it wasn't all that good. By having the money, we found that money wasn't the answer, because we had lots of material things that people sort of spend their whole life to try to get. And we managed to get them at quite an early age. And it was good, really, because we learned that that wasn't it. We still lacked something. And that something is the thing that religion is trying to give to people."
The soul of a being is spiritual, but it has been placed into a material atmosphere. In order for one to be happy, he must return to the spiritual atmosphere because nothing else will ultimately satisfy him. It is like how you can offer a fish out of water all the pleasures in the world, but the fish will simply struggle for existence until placed back into its natural condition. While in a material environment, the soul is simply eternally struggling for existence and no amount of material opulence can rectify this core problem, even though it may adjust the amount of comfort one may experience. The permanent happiness that Felix spoke about in his previous video on happiness comes through spiritual means; any happiness derived from material means is ultimately temporary and not satisfying. The Srimad Bhagavatam elaborates further on this matter:
"Therefore, O King Citraketu, carefully consider the position of the ātmā. In other words, try to understand who you are—whether body, mind or soul. Consider where you have come from, where you are going after giving up this body, and why you are under the control of material lamentation. Try to understand your real position in this way, and then you will be able to give up your unnecessary attachment. You will also be able to give up the belief that this material world, or anything not directly in touch with service to Kṛṣṇa, is eternal. Thus you will obtain peace." (SB 6.15.26)
Furthermore in relation to the necessity of work the Bhagavatam says:
"Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one’s heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever." (SB 5.5.1)
People are being educated and trained to work very hard for material enjoyment, and there is no sublime aim in life. A man travels to earn his livelihood, leaving home early in the morning, catching a local train and being packed in a compartment. He has to stand for an hour or two in order to reach his place of business. Then again he takes a bus to get to the office. At the office he works hard from nine to five; then he takes two or three hours to return home. After eating, he has sex and goes to sleep. For all this hardship, his only happiness is a little sex. Human life is not meant for such things, it is meant for escaping the clutches of the material atmosphere to attain actual spiritual happiness. Material wealth can shield the materialistic man from baseline sufferings to an extent, but in reality there is no need for such material wealth whatsoever because if one takes to the path of self-realization automatically he is given all necessities and protection from such dangers. This is confirmed not only in the Vedas (specifically in the Bhagavad Gita), but also in Buddhist sutras, the Quran, Bible, etc. Not only, again such protection and provision of necessities like food and shelter can be observed in the life of those who have renounced material life in pursuit of self-realization.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry that you fell for the guy on the corner singing "Hare hare" all day, but, uhm, just saying, you're totally wrong. Your shtick only works if you believe in some kind of after-life, and honestly the idea that you should live in penance, austerity and embrace misery is the thoughts of a madman.
That stuff is "confirmed in the Vedas" just shows that your nonsense is nothing but religion. Feel free to not have fun in this life, I won't judge, but I'm gonna go ahead and live the single life that we actually [I]do[/I] have to its fullest. See the world. Be with people I love. Read interesting books, watch good movies etc.
I hope you find happiness in whatever you do.
[QUOTE=Killuah;53056245]A boatload of studies nowadays show that recreational time spent in front of a screen directly correlates with unhappyness/depression, I am not surprised.
I significantly turned down my internet/game/media consumption and I am much much more happy nowadays.[/QUOTE]
It seems pretty obvious to me. When we're being sincere, and I mean [I]really [/I]sincere, most of the time spent in front of a screen is a procrastinated waste of time which gives you nothing in return other than maybe "fun". "Fun" is obviously a good thing, but it can't be central to your life. It can hold you from completely collapsing, which is a good thing, but nothing more. It's short-term and meaningless, and you will forget it the next day. I also expect some depressed people here to say that it's not true for them, but I would say that they're simply in denial.
As for the idea of suffering and misery being bad, I wouldn't agree, but I don't disagree either. It's something to embrace and grow from. Struggle is the greatest thing that shapes our character and evolves us. Wallowing in it is terrible, but so is fleeing from it as if it's a plague that's going to kill you.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53055133]The thing I find really impressive about Pewdiepie is how he's managed to not only adapt but stay the top dog on youtube.
This guy was among the first breakouts in the post-2010 period of the site and he's remained since. Try to think how many can say the same. Epic Meal Time, Tobuscus, UberHaxorNova were all huge names and now they barely exist compared to their prime. People often say he just got lucky but I don't buy that, I've always believed he's been pretty smart and knows when to change his shit up, his old act would have seen him slowly fade and he knew that, unlike those other channels. Full props to him tbh, he seems like a good dude too.[/QUOTE]
I mean why stop there. Go back to 2007 YouTube. Smosh, sxcphil, Fred, Michael Buckley. All big names of YouTube. And the only person who has stayed relevant is sxcphil. It's the case of not evolving your channel tho mind you all Phillip has to do is comment on current affairs and you can call it a day but his persistency has gained him his position whereas the others fell and fell hard
[QUOTE=Asaratha;53055488]god i remember when UberHaxorNova and PewDiePie rivaled each other for top dog. i dont think anybody could have predicted just how huge pewdiepie would have gotten[/QUOTE]
Remember when that comment war happened between their fans when both were playing Happy Wheels, and they had to step in and go "yo guys this shit ain't cool", and agreeing that they'll play a game together in a sign of cooperation (with the video itself coming out late, to the point where the fan war was already over)? In internet years, that was so long ago.
[QUOTE=Doom14;53055038]"Just do what makes you happy" is a loaded concept and usually unsustainable for a lot of people.
That said, making regular - even weekly - Youtube videos ain't easy and requires a lot of commitment, usually even a team of people. That level of dedication and consistency most people can't keep up with, while also turning it into something profitable enough to have as a main source of income.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this. People who say "do what makes you happy" don't understand that the things that make you happy come and go in waves. Some particular thing might make you happy for a year, and doing that thing every week for a year is genuinely fun and entertaining for you. But after that, you might start to feel burnt out on it. You might want to start seeking out another thing that makes you happy.
People can only do the same thing over and over again for a finite period of time before they get tired of it.
humans have just been built really shittily due to evolution making us generally incapable of contentment.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;53055033]I guess he's happier doing 4-5 you laugh you loose videos a week.[/QUOTE]
I see your point, but I applaud Pewdiepie for actually trying to change away from the stale format he had before, even if you believe it's for the worse. I can't even begin to imagine how anxious he must've felt when he was on the top of YouTube and got there from playing games and then suddenly decided to change his form of content away from that. I think on the long term it will be seen as a wise move for his channel.
[QUOTE=Black;53060314]I see your point, but I applaud Pewdiepie for actually trying to change away from the stale format he had before, even if you believe it's for the worse. I can't even begin to imagine how anxious he must've felt when he was on the top of YouTube and got there from playing games and then suddenly decided to change his form of content away from that. I think on the long term it will be seen as a wise move for his channel.[/QUOTE]
PewDiePie has realized he has to change, and he has been changing and I respect him for that. That respect just doesn't convert into actual appreciation for his content for me personally. If you like what he's putting out then great, if you don't then whatever don't watch it, then you're in my boat. However, I don't think you need to feel the need to defend people criticizing the quality of his content because you respect the guy - he's still a fucking millionaire.
Also this is not necessarily directed entirely at you Black, but it felt right to continue on my original point earlier in this thread.
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