[QUOTE=SpartanApples;51199862]Sargon really isn't an alt-righter, although I can understand why people would think so. He actually did a video that was pretty negative of the movement, basically calling them the right-wing equivalent of sjw's.
[video]https://youtu.be/Cp0uq-QafYQ[/video][/QUOTE]
The problem here is that we have 2 definitions for alt right:
1. Those who are racist and bigoted that attempt to live in safe spaces similar to the regressive left.
2. Those who are vehemently against the left-wing, not necessarily that they hold right-wing values.
Trebgarta is referring to the second definition. This is one of those problems where we don't really have a way out because it involves making up a new term which is probably just not going to happen.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51199631]"Sargon and his community" is pretty much garbage IMO.
He is just an alt-righter but well spoken.[/QUOTE]
Thats funny. The alt right are trying their best to distance themselves from him because Sargon has black ancestry.
[url]http://heatst.com/tech/popular-youtuber-fought-back-against-the-alt-right-by-sending-them-interracial-gay-porn/[/url]
[QUOTE]2. Those who are vehemently against the left-wing, not necessarily that they hold right-wing values.
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The ones who are anti SJW but hold left wing values I call Reformists. They are trying to reform the left out of being regressive and back into what anti sjws claim is classical liberalism.
[QUOTE=Tacooo;51199899]But he is pandering by telling the truth, Hillary is blatantly lying or dodging answers (from what I have seen). If I were to choose a politician based on morals, I would choose the most honest one.
Tax evasion is scummy, but he is a business man and doing business means taking advantage of anything that can get you ahead. The loopholes are there to be exploited and like he said, she has done nothing to stop them and has probably benefited from similar loopholes.
I haven't watched any debates but he makes some good points, I'm just saying that this might be a tighter election than people expect.[/QUOTE]
It's a ridiculous "point" to say that because Hilary herself, 1 senator out of hundreds, didn't close that loop hole, she's explicitly, implicitly and tragically responsible for Donalds actions.
No. He evaded tax. That's scummy as fuck. You can say "He's such a smart businessman" but that's scummy as fuck, and he's not a smart businessman because Mark Cuban could buy Trump like pocket change, because Warren Buffet could floss his teeth with donalds wealth, and throw it away. If Donald had put his fortune in the late 80's into an index fund, he'd be exponentially richer than he is now. But he didn't. He made thousands of stupid business decisions that people like you and many Trump supporters find a reason to support, and defend, as if they weren't exactly what they were.
This election has brought out the worst in people globally I find.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51199615]I do not understand how organized media and party-backed campaign equal rigging.
Unless they moved ballot boxes and had 99% Clinton districts in Bernie counties, I dont think it was "rigged".
The party should be able to reserve the right to promote the established party interests. I mean, Trump and GOP is a pretty example of what the other side of the coin looks like.[/QUOTE]
We forget about Nevada?
[editline]13th October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51199646]tl;dr DNC appealed to Bernie supporters by doing something they were already going to do, under the guise that Bernie made a difference
Bernie voters got shafted into thinking the DNC cared about him and are using Berniebros to make Clinton president. Its disgusting.[/QUOTE]
I just love the fact they misgender, stereotype and drag Bernie supporters through the mud in the same way Gamergate supporters were and other people who've spoken out against abusive assholes.
All of this stereotyping, racial profiling and misgendering is used by every fucking party under the guise of different names as a means to prevent actual change.
Meanwhile the bitch who let the DNC do all that shit is now going to be in a powerful position within Hilary's Cabinet if she wins.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51200254]This election has brought out the worst in people globally I find.[/QUOTE]
So much this. You're either a Hillary supporter or a Trump supporter, no middle ground or third option. It's all made worse by them both being exceptionally terrible people, even for politicians.
hillary clinton is going to fucking run america into the ground
[QUOTE=Pootis Mann;51200432]hillary clinton is going to fucking run america into the ground[/QUOTE]
Worst case scenario we've got another 4 years of presidency similar to Obama's.
Compared to Trump's... whatever the fuck he thinks hes going to be able to do, I'll take it.
As if there's anything wrong with Socialism.
Many policies and things we like in this country are socialist. Emphasis on Many. In fact, Congress loves to tell you no universal healthcare because it doesn't work (Bullshit) and it's Socialism, Yet they have Congressional Healthcare
I'm not willing to believe Hillary really won anything.
I'm not a very political person, but with everyone I interacted with at my job/school Bernie seemed to be the biggest pick, pretty much everyone I talked to thought Hilary was a snake.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if she managed to rig the whole thing. And honestly I find that scarier than anything Trump could do.
I have optimism that something big will happen against hillary
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51200164]The ones who are anti SJW but hold left wing values I call Reformists. They are trying to reform the left out of being regressive and back into what anti sjws claim is classical liberalism.[/QUOTE]
Traditionalists, would be a better term. Since they adhere to traditional principles rather than newer SJW rhetoric.
This guy isn't an alt-righter but he sounds like one of those internet-philosopher types who makes arguments straight from principle that are of no use in real life.
So Hillary is corrupt and along with the DNC she has the election rigged. Great. How will her losing fix things exactly? How much more damage will be done in the meantime?
If Sanders won the nomination, this election would be an easy one.
[QUOTE=RB33;51200554]Traditionalists, [/QUOTE]
Is what alt righters sometimes use to label themselves as
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51200773]Is what alt righters sometimes use to label themselves as[/QUOTE]
Yeah and Reformists can mean anything from reforming religion or economies. You can rely on context to know what you're referring to.
[QUOTE=Megadave;51200573]If Sanders won the nomination, this election would be an easy one.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. I'm still going to write him in.
[QUOTE=RB33;51200806]Yeah and Reformists can mean anything from reforming religion or economies. You can rely on context to know what you're referring to.[/QUOTE]
Reformist liberals. Why? That is their intent and trying to accomplish. Sargon is a reformist liberal
I'm on the same page as Bernie now. We gotta do whatever to stop Trump. Too many people could be hurt by a Trump presidency. I'll take 4 years of Hillary who will at the very least protect things like net neutrality and the paris climate deal and then we'll see where we are then.
I also want Bernie to have the chance to lead Congress Democrats, and that'll only happen if the Senate goes Democratic, and that'll only happen with Clinton winning.
Fact is, Bernie's revolution has to start from the bottom up. If we have a progressive Congress, Hillary will be progressive. If Trump wins, its likely Democrats lose the Senate, Bernie is powerless, Democrats lose everything cause Republicans will have control over the Supreme Court for decades, a majority of Governorships, all of Congress, and finally the Presidency.
Fuck that.
People need to put their emotions aside, and think rationally.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51200941]Reformist liberals. Why? That is their intent and trying to accomplish. Sargon is a reformist liberal[/QUOTE]
A traditionalist liberal is someone who would adhere to pre-SJW ideas. Better to paint it as keeping what it was than transforming it to something new.
[QUOTE=Pootis Mann;51200538]I have optimism that something big will happen against hillary[/QUOTE]
That's what Sanders supporters thought, and it didn't happen.
It's not going to happen. Without evaluating the candidates for their morality and policy, realistically Clinton is going to win and it's very unlikely anything that could destroy her campaign will happen within the month.
Trump supporters are starting to reach Bernie California levels of false hope, where people either thought
A. The polls are wrong, Bernie will get 90%+ of the vote in Cali and win
or
B. Clinton would be indicted
Do people honestly believe that if there was no DNC meddling Bernie would have won?
I don't.
It can seem that way on facebook or on a site like this, but you've got to consider the nation as a whole. Bernie was only really relevant to people who are particularly politically active. You've got to consider the casual voters, people who don't really care about politics. Hillary has been a household name for decades. It's been no mystery that she was going to run for president. Bernie only really got the limelight a few months before the primaries, and while he did a great job garnering that much support in a relatively short time, it wasn't nearly enough time to catch up to Hillary as far as name recognition.
Combine with the fact that a [I]lot[/I] of women want to see a female president. Call it the woman card, but it's an extremely big factor in her winning.
[QUOTE=srobins;51199491]I think the fact that Sanders did so well despite an organized media and party-backed campaign against him is evidence that he had a very good shot had the nomination process not been rigged by Clinton & Co.[/QUOTE]
We know for a FACT the DNC privy did in fact rig things, they made no bones about it once it was made public. You can argue the extent and depth until the cows come home, but you can't argue it didn't happen.
Also this video seems to make the assumption that the only reason there is so much push back against Trump is [I]solely[/I] because there is a conspiracy to make him lose.
...Not that people actually have [I]serious[/I] problems with the idea of a Trump presidency.
Like, what sounds more reasonable, that a conspiracy of the liberal elite is running a massive smear campaign against Trump because he threatens their power?
Or that Trump is a person so repugnant, so incompetent, so unqualified to be president, so much so that [I]his own party[/I] is condemning him, and the media is simply showing him to be what he is.
I also ask the question, with all the talk of Clinton only caring about her backers, what impact would that have on America? What does he imagine is going to happen under a Clinton presidency that would be so destructive?
And does he believe Trump, a man who's time and time again shown to only care about himself, is actually committed to creating a better country for everybody?
I wonder if Bernie would have a chance if he ran independent when he lost the nomination.
[editline]13th October 2016[/editline]
This whole shitshow is a consequence of the spoiler effect
[QUOTE=The Vman;51201194]Also this video seems to make the assumption that the only reason there is so much push back against Trump is [I]solely[/I] because there is a conspiracy to make him lose.
...Not that people actually have [I]serious[/I] problems with the idea of a Trump presidency.
Like, what sounds more reasonable, that a conspiracy of the liberal elite is running a massive smear campaign against Trump because he threatens their power?
Or that Trump is a person so repugnant, so incompetent, so unqualified to be president, so much so that [I]his own party[/I] is condemning him, and the media is simply showing him to be what he is.
I also ask the question, with all the talk of Clinton only caring about her backers, what impact would that have on America? What does he imagine is going to happen under a Clinton presidency that would be so destructive?
And does he believe Trump, a man who's time and time again shown to only care about himself, is actually committed to creating a better country for everybody?[/QUOTE]
I don't remember him necessarily denying that Trump has huge issues and I got the impression that he was using "Trump is saying true things about Hillary right now" as a talking point.
If anything I'd have guessed that he was one of those Both Candidates Are Terrible cop-out people.
As far as what Clinton's presidency will be like...while I don't want to take a position of "she could be an okay president so who cares what fishy things she might have done," this is one of the reasons why I dislike commentary like the original video.
It's supposed to sound noble but it's lazy and unrealistic. "For the good of the republic we must trash the election and make a stand at the worst fucking possible time!" Like try going into a major city or any small town that has been moving toward the dems in the past decade and tell them that Hillary losing is for their own good.
You want to highlight corruption, fine, but don't act like her losing is going to do anything except give her opponents momentary satisfaction. But oh yeah it actually will do something else because we'll have elected an asshole clown who tweets like a drunk celebrity when somebody hurts his feelings.
[QUOTE=The Vman;51201082]Do people honestly believe that if there was no DNC meddling Bernie would have won?
I don't.
It can seem that way on facebook or on a site like this, but you've got to consider the nation as a whole. Bernie was only really relevant to people who are particularly politically active. You've got to consider the casual voters, people who don't really care about politics. Hillary has been a household name for decades. It's been no mystery that she was going to run for president. Bernie only really got the limelight a few months before the primaries, and while he did a great job garnering that much support in a relatively short time, it wasn't nearly enough time to catch up to Hillary as far as name recognition.
Combine with the fact that a [I]lot[/I] of women want to see a female president. Call it the woman card, but it's an extremely big factor in her winning.[/QUOTE]
You're underestimating him big time by saying he only had influence among us savvy-types. His support grew at a lightning pace among most people he was exposed to, and his trustworthiness was off the charts (aka positive numbers).
It had more to do with the fact that Hillary got 5-6 times more media coverage than anything related to Bernie.
[QUOTE=The Vman;51201082]Do people honestly believe that if there was no DNC meddling Bernie would have won?
I don't.
It can seem that way on facebook or on a site like this, but you've got to consider the nation as a whole. Bernie was only really relevant to people who are particularly politically active. You've got to consider the casual voters, people who don't really care about politics. Hillary has been a household name for decades. It's been no mystery that she was going to run for president. Bernie only really got the limelight a few months before the primaries, and while he did a great job garnering that much support in a relatively short time, it wasn't nearly enough time to catch up to Hillary as far as name recognition.
Combine with the fact that a [I]lot[/I] of women want to see a female president. Call it the woman card, but it's an extremely big factor in her winning.[/QUOTE]
Clinton and Sanders were neck and neck, with Clinton only holding something like an average 2 point lead on Sanders back in April, and that was [I]with[/I] the DNC and media working full steam to get rid of him. I can't definitively say that Sanders would have won the nomination and unfortunately [I]nobody[/I] can because we never got to see what Sanders' numbers would have looked like given a fair campaign. Funny how that works.
[QUOTE=cheesylard;51199454]the executive branch is nothing more than an avenue to pump money to lobbyists and special interest groups
hillary will pump the most money as president, so the electoral college will choose her[/QUOTE]
That's not how the electoral college works
As much as I dislike Trump, the people who say Hillary will like be 4 more years of Obama are basically saying "4 more years of no major scandals" which is likely because Hillary will cover things up judging by how much of a pathological liar she is.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;51200503]As if there's anything wrong with Socialism.
Many policies and things we like in this country are socialist. Emphasis on Many. In fact, Congress loves to tell you no universal healthcare because it doesn't work (Bullshit) and it's Socialism, Yet they have Congressional Healthcare[/QUOTE]
"socialism"
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