[QUOTE=Ownederd;44501512]more touchy subjects that are pretty much closed after about 20 minutes of being set loose. this video is, like i said, pure sensationalist yellow journalism that's only meant to provoke a strong reaction[/QUOTE]
Or to provoke a fucking discussion
Thunderfoot should fix himself up a little before recording, christ he looks like he's in his pijamas.
[QUOTE=dai;44501484]fox news politics (or any news by glaber)
anything to do with my little pony
dailymail articles about anything requiring facts posted unironically[/QUOTE]
Thanks for not dancing around the question. I mean that.
Orientalization is indeed a problem which sadly can't be adressed, let alone adressed the way she did. It is rooted deep into American culture and perpetuated indefinitely by society and media.. Honestly there is little one can do but to turn a blind eye.
[QUOTE=lapsus_;44501589]Orientalization is indeed a problem which sadly can't be adressed, let alone adressed the way she did. It is rooted deep into American culture and perpetuated indefinitely by society and media.. Honestly there is little one can do but to turn a blind eye.[/QUOTE]
I find it funny that white privilege is apparently a serious thing even though Asians have the best income and education statistics of all ethnic groups in America, if anything Asians have the privilege.
[QUOTE=be;44501619]I find it funny that white privilege is apparently a serious thing even though Asians have the best income and education statistics of all ethnic groups in America, if anything Asians have the privilege.[/QUOTE]
in the western world? not so much. there's a cultural and social bias against them.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;44501629]in the western world? not so much. there's a cultural and social bias against them.[/QUOTE]
Apparently there's a cultural and social bias against whites too, what with the fact that whites are almost always assumed to "not understand", not just by suey park but by many others as well.
[editline]9th April 2014[/editline]
If anything it isn't a bias, it's just that the cultures of almost every ethnic group is patronized in our melting pot culture here.
[QUOTE=be;44501619]I find it funny that white privilege is apparently a serious thing even though Asians have the best income and education statistics of all ethnic groups in America, if anything Asians have the privilege.[/QUOTE]
You consistently prove that you have no understanding of these topics in the slightest.
Keep it up, looking mad uneducated does wonders for making friends I hear!
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44501677]You consistently prove that you have no understanding of these topics in the slightest.
Keep it up, looking mad uneducated does wonders for making friends I hear![/QUOTE]
Making...friends? Why would I have any interest in making friends in anyone here? Lol.
Please tell me how I'm uneducated when nothing I stated was wrong in any objective way, your opinion doesn't count btw.
[QUOTE=be;44501694]Making...friends? Why would I have any interest in making friends in anyone here? Lol.
Please tell me how I'm uneducated when nothing I stated was wrong in any objective way, [B]your opinion doesn't count btw.[/B][/QUOTE]
where in the blue hell did this come from? settle down, there's no need to throw around personal attacks.
No seriously, just because you disagree with me doesn't mean everything I say is wrong lol, objective facts are objective facts and your subjective opinion shouldn't be blinding you to facts.
[editline]9th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ownederd;44501722]where in the blue hell did this come from? settle down, there's no need to throw around personal attacks.[/QUOTE]
What? Clearly you misinterpreted what I just said, I said that his opinion didn't count as evidence that what I said was wrong.
[QUOTE=be;44501724]No seriously, just because you disagree with me doesn't mean everything I say is wrong lol, objective facts are objective facts and your subjective opinion shouldn't be blinding you to facts.
[editline]9th April 2014[/editline]
What? Clearly you misinterpreted what I just said, I said that his opinion didn't count as evidence that what I said was wrong.[/QUOTE]
you're using loaded language that has a strong emotional base. for your sake, don't.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44501511]I never said that I agree with him, where in my posting history did I say that?[/QUOTE]
starting off on the thunderfoot stuff, most of this is just from the past week
[img]http://i.imgur.com/b0qcu81.png[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/P3cbTor.png[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/kFG4Yjn.png[/img]
(speaking of yellow journalism)
[img]http://i.imgur.com/KewRfCz.png[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/MNf2pFT.png[/img]
oh hey that title looked good, until you pointed out the description. The whole point of his rant is to say that women are still the ones responsible for getting themselves into the situations where they'll be raped. YEAH! Show them girls who's in trouble now
oh, but what about the vague nudging about how you think feminism is bad. There's the time you got banned for negatively generalizing how they treat rape and false allegations-
[img]http://i.imgur.com/WsfDD8B.png[/img]
This one post says a lot both about your attitude about the subject, but also brings up the fact you try playing things off as "just how it is" facts avoid being confronted with dissenting opinions
If this truly isn't what you're all about and it's just shitty happenstance that the puzzle pieces fit this way, I'm going to suggest slowing down on the thunderfoot vids. You're entitled to whatever opinions you have but presenting them through this medium isn't doing much for conversation about much other than the presenter himself
[QUOTE=Ownederd;44501747]you're using loaded language that has a strong emotional base. for your sake, don't.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? I'm using clear language devoid of unreasonable bias (all writing has a bias in some way, that's writing's nature, especially here on a forum). You're literally just saying shit that doesn't even make sense, and you didn't even admit that you clearly misinterpreted me lol...
[QUOTE=be;44501694]Making...friends? Why would I have any interest in making friends in anyone here? Lol.
Please tell me how I'm uneducated when nothing I stated was wrong in any objective way, your opinion doesn't count btw.[/QUOTE]
I mean, you could actually put some effort in, look up some real resources for this topic and learn something, but seeing as that's clearly too much effort for the gamemaster here, I'll try my hardest to remember why what you said was total horseshit.
Oh yeah, because that isn't how privilege actually works. Having high average income and a excellent educational background doesn't mean they are "more privileged", there's a lot more to society than your income and education. It's well known those with whiter sounding names tend to get the attention of employers more compared to those with black/ Asian names, largely due to a lot of the people in these positions being white as fuck themselves. We trust white people more than we trust black people, we stereotype white people less than we stereotype all the various Asian peoples.
Yes, it's probably quite safe to say people of a Chinese/ Japanese ethnicity have more privilege than your average black person, however, it's asinine to say they have more than white people in a country where they are a minority, even in China itself only the actual rich population have some form of preferential treatment.
[QUOTE=dai;44501762]starting off on the thunderfoot stuff, most of this is just from the past week
[img]http://i.imgur.com/b0qcu81.png[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/P3cbTor.png[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/kFG4Yjn.png[/img]
(speaking of yellow journalism)
[img]http://i.imgur.com/KewRfCz.png[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/MNf2pFT.png[/img]
oh hey that title looked good, until you pointed out the description. The whole point of his rant is to say that women are still the ones responsible for getting themselves into the situations where they'll be raped. YEAH! Show them girls who's in trouble now
oh, but what about the vague nudging about how you think feminism is bad. There's the time you got banned for negatively generalizing how they treat rape and false allegations-
[img]http://i.imgur.com/WsfDD8B.png[/img]
This one post says a lot both about your attitude about the subject, but also brings up the fact you play off being a neutral party to avoid being confronted with dissenting opinions[/QUOTE]
It's absolutely disgusting that you even think the opinion someone hold's should change their privileges. You disappoint greatly.
[editline]9th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44501774]I mean, you could actually put some effort in, look up some real resources for this topic and learn something, but seeing as that's clearly too much effort for the gamemaster here, I'll try my hardest to remember why what you said was total horseshit.
Oh yeah, because that isn't how privilege actually works. Having high average income and a excellent educational background doesn't mean they are "more privileged", there's a lot more to society than your income and education. It's well known those with whiter sounding names tend to get the attention of employers more compared to those with black/ Asian names, largely due to a lot of the people in these positions being white as fuck themselves. We trust white people more than we trust black people, we stereotype white people less than we stereotype all the various Asian peoples.
Yes, it's probably quite safe to say people of a Chinese/ Japanese ethnicity have more privilege than your average black person, however, it's asinine to say they have more than white people in a country where they are a minority, even in China itself only the actual rich population have some form of preferential treatment.[/QUOTE]
Oh I get it so white people still have superior privilege despite the fact that employment (something that apparently is heavily discriminated in) apparently favors Asians. I guess you can just pick and choose whatever you see fit, that's fine.
[editline]9th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44501774]I mean, you could actually put some effort in, look up some real resources for this topic and learn something, but seeing as that's clearly too much effort for the gamemaster here, I'll try my hardest to remember why what you said was total horseshit.
Oh yeah, because that isn't how privilege actually works. Having high average income and a excellent educational background doesn't mean they are "more privileged", there's a lot more to society than your income and education. It's well known those with whiter sounding names tend to get the attention of employers more compared to those with black/ Asian names, largely due to a lot of the people in these positions being white as fuck themselves. We trust white people more than we trust black people, we stereotype white people less than we stereotype all the various Asian peoples.
Yes, it's probably quite safe to say people of a Chinese/ Japanese ethnicity have more privilege than your average black person, however, it's asinine to say they have more than white people in a country where they are a minority, even in China itself only the actual rich population have some form of preferential treatment.[/QUOTE]
Oh I get it so white people still have superior privilege despite the fact that employment (something that apparently is heavily discriminated in) apparently favors Asians. I guess you can just pick and choose whatever you see fit, that's fine.
[QUOTE=be;44501784]It's absolutely disgusting that you even think the opinion someone hold's should change their privileges. You disappoint greatly.[/QUOTE]
lmao
The dude is basically an MRA crusader by this point, it's a fucking awful stance to have and he should be called out for it. Man you do love being an apologist for awful things don't you?
[editline]9th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=be;44501784]Oh I get it so white people still have superior privilege despite the fact that employment (something that apparently is heavily discriminated in) apparently favors Asians. I guess you can just pick and choose whatever you see fit, that's fine.[/QUOTE]
Getting high paying jobs != getting jobs regularly and securely. If that's literally all you took away from that post then we're done here, you're wasting my time.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44501802]lmao
The dude is basically an MRA crusader by this point, it's a fucking awful stance to have and he should be called out for it. Man you do love being an apologist for awful things don't you?[/QUOTE]
He's an MRA crusader based on ONE post that isn't even conclusive in itself?!? You do know that the titles of his threads are simply the titles of the videos he is posting, right? How can you determine he is an MRA crusader from the fact that he posts these videos, perhaps he just likes discussions, and maybe he does agree with thunderf00t, how does it even matter? You're making presumptions based on nothings.
[QUOTE=dai;44501762]starting off on the thunderfoot stuff, most of this is just from the past week
[img]http://i.imgur.com/b0qcu81.png[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/P3cbTor.png[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/kFG4Yjn.png[/img]
(speaking of yellow journalism)
[img]http://i.imgur.com/KewRfCz.png[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/MNf2pFT.png[/img]
oh hey that title looked good, until you pointed out the description. The whole point of his rant is to say that women are still the ones responsible for getting themselves into the situations where they'll be raped. YEAH! Show them girls who's in trouble now
oh, but what about the vague nudging about how you think feminism is bad. There's the time you got banned for negatively generalizing how they treat rape and false allegations-
[img]http://i.imgur.com/WsfDD8B.png[/img]
This one post says a lot both about your attitude about the subject, but also brings up the fact you play off being a neutral party to avoid being confronted with dissenting opinions[/QUOTE]
So just because I posted a video means that I agree with everything it has to say?
also from that 1 post you came to the conclusion that I hate women?
and since when is feminism exclusive to women?
Saying that I agree with thunderf00t and that I hate on women is a gross over exaggeration
and that post was very long ago, I obviously take back what I said.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44501802]
Getting high paying jobs != getting jobs regularly and securely. If that's literally all you took away from that post then we're done here, you're wasting my time.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but you have literally said nothing notable at all, you don't have any intentions on treating my opinion fairly especially considering that I basically addressed everything you mentioned in my post.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44501802]lmao
The dude is basically an MRA crusader by this point, it's a fucking awful stance to have and he should be called out for it. Man you do love being an apologist for awful things don't you?
[editline]9th April 2014[/editline]
Getting high paying jobs != getting jobs regularly and securely. If that's literally all you took away from that post then we're done here, you're wasting my time.[/QUOTE]
MRA crusader, wtf?
[QUOTE=Ownederd;44501512]would hardly hold up as a valid source for an academic debate[/QUOTE]
Its a youtube video though. Thats not the standard thats usually set for these things. His attacks on the crazier aspects of feminism are pretty justified. Its pretty hard to defend these people but I can understand how him using them to represent the movement/ideology as a whole as a bit annoying.
[QUOTE=be;44501817]He's an MRA crusader based on ONE post that isn't even conclusive in itself?!? You do know that the titles of his threads are simply the titles of the videos he is posting, right? How can you determine he is an MRA crusader from the fact that he posts these videos, perhaps he just likes discussions, and maybe he does agree with thunderf00t, how does it even matter? You're making presumptions based on nothings.[/QUOTE]
thunderf00t makes it a habit to near-constantly groan about feminism from cherry picked information *and* trans minorities. he's pointing at stuff he perceives as a threat to masculinity and saying 'hey this is bad' instead of just doing more homework for himself
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44501832]Its a youtube video though. Thats not the standard thats usually set for these things. His attacks on the crazier aspects of feminism are pretty justified. Its pretty hard to defend these people but I can understand how him using them to represent the movement/ideology as a whole as a bit annoying.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure thunderf00t isn't saying all feminists are like the people in his videos, just that the people in his videos are ridiculous and represent poisonous attitudes.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44501831]MRA crusader, wtf?[/QUOTE]
If you're gonna post awful shit like this, and don't want to be called out for it, you fucking explain your position. Otherwise people are going to assume things like this. Especially if you're posting them regularly with no actual opinion being given on them.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;44501838]thunderf00t makes it a habit to near-constantly groan about feminism from cherry picked information *and* trans minorities. he's pointing at stuff he perceives as a threat to masculinity and saying 'hey this is bad' instead of just doing more homework for himself[/QUOTE]
It isn't cherry picked information, he shows everything there is to show about an individual. Like I just said, thunderf00t doesn't mean that these people represent feminism as a whole, but rather they represent poisonous attitudes (which some feminists do hold). If you really think he is against feminism then you know nothing about him. What are you talking about trans minorities? I don't recall thunderf00t ever even discussing trans issues.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44501823]So just because I posted a video means that I agree with everything it has to say?
also from that 1 post you came to the conclusion that I hate women?
and since when is feminism is exclusive to women?
Saying that I agree with thunderf00t and that I hate on women is a gross over exaggeration
and that post was very long ago, I obviously take back what I said.[/QUOTE]
it's amazing what a little cherrypicking can do to present opinions, isn't it
I'm not banning anything or anybody right now but I want you to seriously slow down on posting these videos; it's clear that the frequency of the topic and lack of self information is painting a rather blatant image and it's becoming a point of contention
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44501831]MRA crusader, wtf?[/QUOTE]
I think he meant thunderfoot, not you.
[QUOTE=dai;44501871]
I think he meant thunderfoot, not you.[/QUOTE]
He didn't
[QUOTE=be;44501844]I'm pretty sure thunderf00t isn't saying all feminists are like the people in his videos, just that the people in his videos are ridiculous and represent poisonous attitudes.[/QUOTE]
If anything thunderf00t is more "poisonous" because regardless of what he thinks, the message people are receiving is that feminism is inherently bad. With a video title like that, what do you expect?
[QUOTE=be;44501877]He didn't[/QUOTE]
Could have meant both. That's like, a possibility.
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