[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;34160172]Einstein did extremely well at school, it's a misconception since German grades are backwards (most countries that use numeric grading use 1-10 (1 being the worst, 10 - the best), but the Germans use it the other way around, because they say not 1, but 1st, not 2, but 2nd and so on until 10th, who is the worst).
At least that's what they teached me at school. This post has nothing to do with the discussion, I just wanted to point out the common misconception.[/QUOTE]
German grades go from 1 - 6, 1 being the highest. If you got 10 in a German school you were probably the most retarded child in the world.
Intelligence isn't defined by IQ or anything of the sort. I've had friends try to qualify it as "someone who learns very quickly." I can understand that definition. It's sensible, I suppose. I think that intelligence comes in the form of wisdom. To me, good grades don't necessitate intelligence, nor do good SAT scores.
Intelligence is what you qualify it as. For me, it's the wisdom gained from experience. Some may hold different views. That's okay.
In my English class, there's a poster that says "Intelligence is something you use when you don't know"
I think creativity is a good indicator of intelligence.
Intelligence is the information on how to use something, wisdom is how to use it correctly/well.
Intelligence you can learn, wisdom is something you teach yourself.
For example, let's take two hunters, let's say one person has just finished his hunting courses, and the other has been hunting for 40 years, they roughly have the same intelligence on the subject, but the older hunter has much more wisdom about how the guns work, how the bullet curves, gets affected by wind, etc. and knows where to hit a stag for the bullet to be the most effective.
[QUOTE=The one that is;34169769]Though I suppose that you can infer that since I think it's 40 IQ is what is required for basic function and 68 or so is considered mentally retarded, it has a small part.[/QUOTE]
IQ is a measure on how fast you learn. Being mentally retarded doesn't mean oh can't learn, it just means it takes forever to learn.one thing.
According Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences, there are different types of intelligence. For example mathematic-logical intelligence is usually the one that shows up in your IQ test. Creativity is considered to be a type of intelligence too, and so are athletic abilities.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences[/url]
This seems like the most logical answer to me.
Depends on what intelligence. As I person and not an android, ethic intelligence is important. Being smart enough to see stuff in an objective perspective is also important. Intelligence is a hard word to translate. It depends on a person...
[QUOTE=Crimor;34239048]Intelligence is the information on how to use something, wisdom is how to use it correctly/well.
Intelligence you can learn, wisdom is something you teach yourself.
For example, let's take two hunters, let's say one person has just finished his hunting courses, and the other has been hunting for 40 years, they roughly have the same intelligence on the subject, but the older hunter has much more wisdom about how the guns work, how the bullet curves, gets affected by wind, etc. and knows where to hit a stag for the bullet to be the most effective.[/QUOTE]
Intelligence is nowhere defined like that. There are only attempts at defining intelligence. By the way your definition of wisdom sounds meh. No offence though.
How about this; Intelligence is = (how quick you pick up skills/methods etc x memory x logic (problem solving) x reading and writing skills x imagination) / 4.
Make every of the 4 tests standardized and [B]BANG[/B] intelligence in once neat and tidy formula.
On this topic; what in a person makes you define them as stupid? (conflicting interests aside)
i'm completely capable of getting straight A's
but im lazy as shit and i don't turn anything in
[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;34284907]i'm completely capable of getting straight A's
but im lazy as shit and i don't turn anything in[/QUOTE]
don't do it, or just don't turn it in?
That's really subjective because you could be really good in one area and horrible in another
[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;34284907]i'm completely capable of getting straight A's
but im lazy as shit and i don't turn anything in[/QUOTE]
this, but i turn in most stuff
The potential capacity of cognitive processes. I also believe that IQ's should be the sum of each. Although, esoteric processes may be extremely difficult to formally measure. But I also think that where you score high and where you score low is important in measuring intelligence.
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Also, I have an IQ of 142, a GPA of 3.54 in college, but for some reason, I could barely pull off a 2.2 in high school, but I had some severe psychological issues in high school that made everyday functioning very difficult.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;34160004]School doesn't define your level of intelligence.
All you ever do is memorize tests and scribble down whatever is written on the board, and after a decade or so, you get a nice little piece of paper awarding you for exceptional memory and that allows you to apply to jobs.
This isn't even a "2 cool 4 school" kind of statement, the education system is fucked up almost worldwide. It's hardly about actually teaching this generation different skills that will be required to know later in life, preparing them for adulthood, or teaching them about religion and science from a completely subjective point of view. A shame, really.[/QUOTE]
This just sounds like "I'm too smart for school" to me. There is school for a reason, and you won't be applying any complicated skills on the job if you haven't graduated high school.
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;34320921]This just sounds like "I'm too smart for school" to me. There is school for a reason, and you won't be applying any complicated skills on the job if you haven't graduated high school.[/QUOTE]
all this means is that school gives you a piece of paper that allows you to do more things...
it seems there are a lot of people here who claim to be smart, but just don't put any effort into school. If you were really intelligent, wouldn't you realize that you can't get anywhere without an education? that no matter how smart you are, no one's going to hire you without a diploma? Intelligent people would realize that, and start working harder.
I heard a saying once... it went something like “Everyone is a genius, but if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid”, and I agree with it.
- Intellectual capacity
- Knowledge/Wisdom
- Practical application of the above
[QUOTE=Oppenheimer;34327034]I heard a saying once... it went something like “Everyone is a genius, but if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid”, and I agree with it.[/QUOTE]
Multiple intelligences theory, look it up.
Intelligence isn't knowledge, intelligence is the ability to learn.
[QUOTE=Bassplaya7;34344539]Intelligence isn't knowledge, intelligence is the ability to learn.[/QUOTE]
And some learn to ride a bike in shorter time, where some learn to solve equations much faster than the others. How would you define intelligence now?
I think, therefore I am intelligent. Not a Stephen Hawking, but I do have intelligence in my head. It's up to me how advanced I want to make it.
Intelligence is also the capability to act beyond natural instincts. People shouldn't kill themselves instinctively yet they do.
As stupid as it is, in a way suicide also is a form of intelligence, albeit a very bad form.
That's how I see it, really.
[QUOTE=whitespace;34345235]And some learn to ride a bike in shorter time, where some learn to solve equations much faster than the others. How would you define intelligence now?[/QUOTE]
as you said earlier, there are multiple intelligence's.
I consider intelligence (or being smart) the:
Ability to take data collected from experiences and come to a logical conclusion.
The quickness in grasping new concepts and learning new skills, and linking them to other skills.
The ability to accumulate knowledge and use them in your logical conclusions and actions in life.
Seeing truth and being skeptical; always keeping your opinion unbiased as possible.
Being good at something or somethings, to an expert level.
The ability to see patterns and analyze them with skepticism and logic / common knowledge and experience.
People can have all of these, mixes of these to varying levels, or lack some while excelling in others.
[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;34287985]
Also, I have an IQ of 142, a GPA of 3.54 in college, but for some reason, I could barely pull off a 2.2 in high school, but I had some severe psychological issues in high school that made everyday functioning very difficult.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like me man, life can be tough sometimes. (IQ of 145 when tested at 9yrs of age at Primary children's hospital in Salt Lake City Utah.) and can barely hold a good GPA in high school.
I make no claims to be a genius, but I do feel smarter then most of the people in my HS are.
[QUOTE=whitespace;34345235]And some learn to ride a bike in shorter time, where some learn to solve equations much faster than the others. How would you define intelligence now?[/QUOTE]
There isn't ONE intelligence. I'm simply saying that intelligence in any given category is defined by a person's ability to learn in that field.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;34326630]all this means is that school gives you a piece of paper that allows you to do more things...[/QUOTE]
Obviously.. Then there's the fact that we age, and we don't be do things that adults do when we are school-aged. And while at it, school employs all the teachers and staff (a workplace), free food, people, etc etc etc and basically the whole web of civilized.. infrastructural.. fucking.. institutions.
You wouldn't know jack shit about different jobs/things or anything actually if you didn't go to school / didn't live in a modern place where you learn a lot and where school is mandatory at young age.
Definition of intellect
Intellect is a term used in studies of the human mind, and refers to the ability of the mind to come to correct conclusions about what is true or real, and about how to solve problems.
There is only one absolute truth about the universe. And that truth is that nothing is necessarily true. We have no true idea of what we are, what anything we sense is, or what happens when we are gone. Science is born in perception, the tools we use to measure things were originally measured through people, which by definition means they were open to human error. So while we might think we have things figured out, there is no certainty, we might not even be alive, life could be a short journey in a fabricated world for the soul, which doesnt exist in the material realm. My point in all of this is that intellect doesnt exist based on this definition, because no one can absolutely discern real from fake. Intellect, like perfection, is a standard only attainable by God. Now, the ability to solve problems in this realm is existent, so in that form intellect can exist, but at any rate school is a horrible way to measure intellect.
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