I don't get all that "we might not even be alive, we cannot know anything!" when we DO know more than any other known organism could possibly imagine.
I mean we know so much about Space that it hardly makes sense to us. And if you think that our solar system and the galaxies could be just tiny little atoms to some other far bigger "guy" then.. I don't think so.
Any definition is fine by me as long as it doesn't start including shit like "Athletic intelligence" and stuff like that.
[QUOTE=acds;34358881]Any definition is fine by me as long as it doesn't start including shit like "Athletic intelligence" and stuff like that.[/QUOTE]
This seems interesting. Are you saying that people whose brain learn motoric functions faster, and therefore are more capable athletically, but who suck at mathematic-logical thinking are basically idiots? NHL superstars are a lot more intelligent in their game than you ever will be.
I think we need to define the word intelligence now before we continue arguing. Do we want for it to be defined by personal experience( how intelligent/smart a person seems to you ) or do we want to define it as objectively as we can?
Athletic intelligence is called bodily-kinisthetic intelligence in the theory of nine intelligence types. Here's an overview of it: [url]http://skyview.vansd.org/lschmidt/Projects/The%20Nine%20Types%20of%20Intelligence.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=whitespace;34361846]This seems interesting. Are you saying that people whose brain learn motoric functions faster, and therefore are more capable athletically, but who suck at mathematic-logical thinking are basically idiots? NHL superstars are a lot more intelligent in their game than you ever will be.
I think we need to define the word intelligence now before we continue arguing. Do we want for it to be defined by personal experience( how intelligent/smart a person seems to you ) or do we want to define it as objectively as we can?[/QUOTE]
Yes, they are dumb. Intelligence is about the brain. On the other hand, they are very talented. And define intelligence before we argue? that's what the argument is!
[QUOTE=Gundevil;34166028]Well on Facepunch it's being a left wing liberal atheist who praises anything that isn't religious or the slightest bit conservative.
In the real world, it's being able to just figure out complex problems and use thinking to create. Create things like a sharp stick or a fishing rod. Improvisation. That's smart.[/QUOTE]
We still praise conservative statements, but not on the basis that that statement is in itself a true statement.
e.g. I praise the statement "do unto others as they would have them do unto you", because of it's practicality and concurrence with other sets of ethics. On the other hand you have people who blindly hold this statement to be true because it is associated with the one religion set of ethics they conform to.
That is what intelligence is.
Knowing what to do when you don't know what to do
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34160173]I always want to rip someones head off when they imply "IQ = how smart you are".
That's a sign of someone who isn't intelligent.[/QUOTE]
That's misunderstanding, not lack of intellect.
Although, "smart" is one of those not-terrebly-well-defined-in-common-speech terms, so it's hard to tell.
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[QUOTE=Aman VII;34161279]Geometry huh.
So you're what, in grade 8?
lol[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbola]This is also geometry[/url].
Knowledge about a lot of stuff or one specific area?
[QUOTE=Flash;34161766]Proving once again how backwards the US educational system is. Problem is each standard is managed by the separate states or provinces in the combined united states. So some states have easier educational systems then other states.
EDIT:
In fact lets look at the definition of education ?
the act or process of imparting or acquiring general knowledge, developing the powers of reasoning and judgment, and generally of preparing oneself or others intellectually for mature life.
Does the educational system do any of that ? No[/QUOTE]
Objection.
I know thing now that I didn't know when I started school.
I can reason about things now, I couldn't before school.
I am considered to me more intelligent now than I were before school.
Your statement is false, education has at least one case of success (and with a few more we can iron out the error and be fairly certain)
Note that this does not prove the opposite. The truth of the statement is not boolean, as is proven by the fact that we have at least three bits of entropy (three points where it is boolean, the success or failure of the above three points).
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34163283]School isn't about how intelligent you are, it's about how good your memory is, which quite frankly is bullshit in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather say it's about how well you respond to refinement into the model "a productive citizen", referencing [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U&feature=share]this video[/url], and most other stuff that Sir Ken Robinson has said.
In relation to the OP, I think it's the persona that you create for yourself which people base whether you're intelligent or not, off...
I don't think the definition of intelligence should be taken to heart, as creativity is often overlooked when 'measuring' intelligence.
Just because you can eat pages from your textbooks and regurgitate them onto your test doesn't make you smart. That's what I learned in school.
[QUOTE=FredFredBurger;34159930]I have put a lot of thought into this myself. I don't do very well in school, yet everyone that knows me thinks im practically a genius. I have come to the conclusion that it all boils down to a person's level of awareness. If you are aware, then you remember the things you see, hear, think, etc. and can use what you have learned in your everyday life. I myself remember the majority of what i experience because i am always paying close attention to my surroundings. But I see other kids who wont even notice a person calling their name right behind them, those are the kids that we would consider "not intelligent".[/QUOTE]
I'm with FredFred on this one. It boils down to awareness. You could be great at maths but spend an hour scratching your head at the shops when your uncle tells you to buy some Elbow Grease for him.
Ok, so that's not a great example of awareness but none the less, that's what I believe it boils down to. Being aware you can improve. Being aware you can change. Being aware of your strengths and weaknesses.
[QUOTE=Torjuz;34239603]Depends on what intelligence. As I person and not an android, ethic intelligence is important. Being smart enough to see stuff in an objective perspective is also important. Intelligence is a hard word to translate. It depends on a person...[/QUOTE]
I agree with that but also,
I believe that you can be intelligent in many different ways. With that said I mean one may be really good at solving mathematic problems etc. maybe someone else is good at stepping into someone else's place, understanding what it's like to be in their shoes.
People see things from different perspectives and that's what I think defines intelligence. -or maybe that have something to do with different experiences. :)
But intelligence wouldn't depend on experiences I guess.. I saw that program "Super humans" with some teacher who could solve math problems using only his mind, faster than 4 university students with calculators. It turned out that he uses more of his brain to do the calculations than normal people do.
So I guess it depends on a lot, what the subject is, what perspective it is seen from and if that perspective is proven correct. If that makes any sense at all ;)
I don't think we can give the word "intelligence" a unique definition. It's just a word used by people in varying contexts to describe various different behaviours and properties. Including but not limiting to things like ability to learn, process information to produce new information and think logically and critically.
If we absolutely want to give the word a scientific definition, we can never cover all the different, even contradicting ways the word is being commonly used in. Thus, if we want to be specific, we need to use sub-terms like "mathematical intelligence" or completely different words.
I'm probably not very intelligent, I'd like to think I am, but I am most likely not.
Ever since I spelled refrigerator correctly in kinder-garden I've always been known as a genius, which I found unfair because I never thought of myself as being better or smarter than anyone else. I think intelligence shouldn't be defined by how well you retain information, but how you use it instead.
Ignorance is just intelligence that hasn't evolved yet.
Intelligence is using what you know to your advantage.
If you've made the same mistake 5 times, you're fucking stupid.
If you make a mistake once, and avoid it the next time, congratulations, you're smart.
IQ Tests are :dumb:
I HAVE a iq of 138
Intelligence to me, is spotting the one "I" you forgot to capitalize.
your wrong
This opinion has probably already been posted but what say no-one.
I personally think intelligence is a measure of your ability to grasp concepts/new things, and apply them to solve problems, or just generally create. And yes, I do believe that the education system is a bit fucked.
My English class is okay, but my math class...
I'm in a pretty shitty math class. I'm a smart student, but I'm down with the lowest common denominator because of how bored and frustrated I was with math in my earlier years, which is proof of the brokenness.
What we basically do is memorize different equations, mathematical theorems, etcetera. There isn't many real-world applications for many of them, as far as I've seen. What I think that it should be is basically teaching these equations, and then presenting problems that can be solved by these equations (preferably in several different ways.) Perhaps I should describe what is currently going on with a metaphor...
Okay, so we are basically learning how to build various bridges to get across various rivers. However, for the vast majority of these bridges, we never encounter any of their corresponding rivers. We don't in our day to day lives, and the education system is completely disregarding giving us any rivers to cross at all. And, what's worse, is that there are people who think that all we need to do is to learn how to build these bridges, even though we live in a a place with absolutely no rivers. These people, they create all these books and tutorials about how to build bridges, but there are no god damn rivers at all. It's like a merchant selling, say, cocktail shakers but there is no alcohol anywhere to even consider using the shakers.
Truly intelligent people are those who know how little they can really comprehend in the universe.
Better not post in here, I'm not intelligent enough.
Albert Einstein had a pretty good quote for this.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
Everyone's more-less identically intelligent, but that intelligence is spread over different fields. You might not have that stellar of mathematical intelligence, but you might have good artistic or creative intelligence. The only reason why a musician like Jimi Hendrix isn't comparable to a scientist like Stephen Hawking isn't because of the rift of intelligence between the two, but because society would seem to believe intelligence is bound strictly to logic and mathematics, when that is not necessarily the case.
[QUOTE=Fhenexx;34427125]Albert Einstein had a pretty good quote for this.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
Everyone's more-less identically intelligent, but that intelligence is spread over different fields. You might not have that stellar of mathematical intelligence, but you might have good artistic or creative intelligence. The only reason why a musician like Jimi Hendrix isn't comparable to a scientist like Stephen Hawking isn't because of the rift of intelligence between the two, but because society would seem to believe intelligence is bound strictly to logic and mathematics, when that is not necessarily the case.[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
Some people don't even get the chance to become intelligent, even if they had the tendency to great intelligence like Einstein/Hawking.
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