[QUOTE=DragonMan933;28103037]what false info have i gave you?[/QUOTE]
Everything that we yelled at you for
[QUOTE=Perfumly;28102924]I'm only 17 and have been lifting for about 5 months. I was your weight when I started. You're going to start an argument when you come in here and say things that don't work as well as what everyone else in here is doing. I am personally not trying to get you riled up or scare you away, but you should probably check your own knowledge before you preach to people with more experience and knowledge on this particular subject than you.[/QUOTE]
Im not saying the thing you do dont work, i just mildly and respectfully disgreed with someone O.o
And i do know alot about working out. Its been 5 months since i started working out more seriously, iv always enjoyed a good workout though
[QUOTE=Vince W/Shamwow;28103011]Fuck it.
[img_thumb]http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6035/yupv.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
mirin
[editline]17th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Perfumly;28103021]is it arm time?
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huehuehuehuehue.
My arms keep me sane from my lacking pecs.[/QUOTE]
mirin, again
lol when ur pecs get huge your arms will look smaller
solution=don`t work out pecs??
[QUOTE=Perfumly;28102948]We're pretty similar. What are your lift stats/estimated bodyfat percent?[/QUOTE]
I have no idea on BF%, never cared. I've never maxed but if I'm going to do 3 sets of 8-10 reps:
Bench: 175
Squats: 210
Straight bar curl: 80ish
Never deadlifted
That's all I can think of off the top of my head. You're ahead of me though, I'm 20.
My pecs are getting bigger, I can tell because I can actually feel them all the way up to the sternum when I flex now. This probably doesn't sound like a big deal but when I have had basically no size gains in pecs for about 4.5 months straight this is a great sign.
We're pretty close soulbro
Bench: 180 - 1rm (I do like 150 or so for 8x3 (feelsbadman))
Squat: 250 - 1rm (5x3 with 200-215 depending on if I am feeling like a man or not)
Dead: 335 - 1rm (285 - 300 for reps with the same rule as squats)
Oly bar curl: 100lbs for like 6 reps (Unless I feel like cruising through bis like a sissy girl I just put 85lbs on and do 8x3)
[QUOTE=DragonMan933;28103063]Im not saying the thing you do dont work, i just mildly and respectfully disgreed with someone O.o
And i do know alot about working out. Its been 5 months since i started working out more seriously, iv always enjoyed a good workout though[/QUOTE]
k here for the last time
extremely high reps (like 30) is pretty much useless for building muscle
it is more endurance than anything
when you workout, your muscles respond by growing bigger because you are putting them under so much stress
stress=high intensity
now, high intensity=low reps high weight, or medium reps medium weight
your muscles are not used to this intensity and respond by growing (much more complex than that but I thought it would be a smart choice to keep it simple with you)
high reps=no intensity, just fatigue after long exposure
8 6 4's are good for bench or 65%x10 70%x10 and 75%x10 of max bench.
Overly high reps = glucose depletion and lactic acid yes? I didn't look that up but it sounds smart so I'm going to go with it.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;28103126]My pecs are getting bigger, I can tell because I can actually feel them all the way up to the sternum when I flex now. This probably doesn't sound like a big deal but when I have had basically no size gains in pecs for about 4.5 months straight this is a great sign.
We're pretty close soulbro
Bench: 180 - 1rm (I do like 150 or so for 8x3 (feelsbadman))
Squat: 250 - 1rm (5x3 with 200-215 depending on if I am feeling like a man or not)
Dead: 335 - 1rm (285 - 300 for reps with the same rule as squats)
Oly bar curl: 100lbs for like 6 reps (Unless I feel like cruising through bis like a sissy girl I just put 85lbs on and do 8x3)[/QUOTE]
see those lifts are going up breh
gj
[editline]17th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Perfumly;28103174]Overly high reps = glucose depletion and lactic acid yes? I didn't look that up but it sounds smart so I'm going to go with it.[/QUOTE]
:clint:
[QUOTE=Perfumly;28103126]My pecs are getting bigger, I can tell because I can actually feel them all the way up to the sternum when I flex now. This probably doesn't sound like a big deal but when I have had basically no size gains in pecs for about 4.5 months straight this is a great sign.
We're pretty close soulbro
Bench: 180 - 1rm (I do like 150 or so for 8x3 (feelsbadman))
Squat: 250 - 1rm (5x3 with 200-215 depending on if I am feeling like a man or not)
Dead: 335 - 1rm (285 - 300 for reps with the same rule as squats)
Oly bar curl: 100lbs for like 6 reps (Unless I feel like cruising through bis like a sissy girl I just put 85lbs on and do 8x3)[/QUOTE]
How long have you been working out consistently for? I started going my senior year of high school (2 years ago) but could never get myself to consistently go for longer than a month or two. I went from 135 to about 150.
About 3 months ago I started going again 3 days a week but I had a weak split. Right now I'm on week 6 of my 5 day split where I went from 150- 162.
[editline]16th February 2011[/editline]
I've had the same problem with chest/benching. Never could get my chest where I wanted.
brb sleep (srs)
[editline]17th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Soulbrother;28103194]How long have you been working out consistently for? I started going my senior year of high school (2 years ago) but could never get myself to consistently go for longer than a month or two. I went from 135 to about 150.
About 3 months ago I started going again 3 days a week but I had a weak split. Right now I'm on week 6 of my 5 day split where I went from 150- 162.
[editline]16th February 2011[/editline]
I've had the same problem with chest/benching. Never could get my chest where I wanted.[/QUOTE]
My chest for some reason is my best bodypart, but my bench still sucks lol
I do like 170 for reps (yes ashamed)
[QUOTE=Soulbrother;28103194]How long have you been working out consistently for? I started going my senior year of high school (2 years ago) but could never get myself to consistently go for longer than a month or two. I went from 135 to about 150.
About 3 months ago I started going again 3 days a week but I had a weak split. Right now I'm on week 6 of my 5 day split where I went from 150- 162.[/QUOTE]
I have been working out religiously for about 5-6 months now, I have missed maybe two workout days total. I've missed more school than I have workout days.
I started at 130lbs and now I'm up to 166lbs. Attempting to get to 180 by April but I'm not entirely sure if it's going to happen.
I'm on a 4 day split since I go to school 4 days a week and I can't get to the gym friday.
Oh btw VQ I was just looking at the beginning of this thread. My squat was estimated back then since I was stupid and didn't start out squatting. But my dead and bench were accurate (145 back in september was my 1rm lmao)
[editline]17th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=VQ35HR;28103222]
I do like 170 for reps (yes ashamed)[/QUOTE]
mirin
Wide grip;started out with wide pushups til I got 25x4 sets in a while back.
Do inline bench wide grip, if you get stuck and your bench won't increase try working your triceps and shoulders because bench uses parts of those muscles.
Edit: High repetitions + low weight= more definition and cut look.
[QUOTE=VQ35HR;28103157]k here for the last time
extremely high reps (like 30) is pretty much useless for building muscle
it is more endurance than anything
when you workout, your muscles respond by growing bigger because you are putting them under so much stress
stress=high intensity
now, high intensity=low reps high weight, or medium reps medium weight
your muscles are not used to this intensity and respond by growing (much more complex than that but I thought it would be a smart choice to keep it simple with you)
high reps=no intensity, just fatigue after long exposure[/QUOTE]
well hey dude theres no need to try to insult me. "keep it simple for you"
But thanks for pointing out the the main problem of what i said, but there was really no need to be such a big argument over it.
[QUOTE=DragonMan933;28100695]Where did you get that info from???[/QUOTE]
Cardio only burns fat while you are doing it.
When you lift weights you increase the amount of muscles you have, which in turn burns more calories [i]all the time[/i].
That's why both are good for you.
If you do just one or the other, the benefits won't be as apparent as doing both. While riding a bike will pump up your heart rate, once you stop it's done as far as burning calories go.
[QUOTE=Binsky;28102919]The point we are trying to make is that you do not know what you're talking about. You need to sit down and read up on this stuff. If you want i can give you links to some articles and shit that will help educate you[/QUOTE]
I find you have a intense need to argue with me for what ever reason
[QUOTE=Perfumly;28103242]I have been working out religiously for about 5-6 months now, I have missed maybe two workout days total. I've missed more school than I have workout days.
I started at 130lbs and now I'm up to 166lbs. Attempting to get to 180 by April but I'm not entirely sure if it's going to happen.
I'm on a 4 day split since I go to school 4 days a week and I can't get to the gym friday.
Oh btw VQ I was just looking at the beginning of this thread. My squat was estimated back then since I was stupid and didn't start out squatting. But my dead and bench were accurate (145 back in september was my 1rm lmao)
[/QUOTE]
My goal for right now is to hit 170 and see how I look. I'll probably bulk until spring regardless, but I really don't have to cut much since I can see abs still.
I just need a stomach.
5'11 150 Lbs
Bench 185
Squat 285
Deadlift 315
[QUOTE=JohnStamosFan;28103268]Cardio only burns fat while you are doing it.
When you lift weights you increase the amount of muscles you have, which in turn burns more calories [i]all the time[/i].
That's why both are good for you.
If you do just one or the other, the benefits won't be as apparent as doing both. While riding a bike will pump up your heart rate, once you stop it's done as far as burning calories go.[/QUOTE]
I understand, although i was actually talking about over weight people. Cardio is best for over weight people, but a good workout is still necessary
Cardio is not required for weight loss, you burn just as many if not more calories in a one hour session of vigorous weight lifting as you do in one hour of moderate cardio.
DIET is essential for weight loss.
Cardio is required for cardiovascular health (cardio)
I don't do cardio and I will still probably do minimal cardio when cutting because its so monotonous to run for 30 minutes a day.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;28103414]Cardio is not required for weight loss, you burn just as many if not more calories in a one hour session of vigorous weight lifting as you do in one hour of moderate cardio.
DIET is essential for weight loss.
Cardio is required for cardiovascular health (cardio)
I don't do cardio and I will still probably do minimal cardio when cutting because its so monotonous to run for 30 minutes a day.[/QUOTE]
Yeah maybe your right. But isnt true that cardio along side resistance training speeds up weight loss?
At the same time resistance builds up fast twitch muscles.
i heard it was arm time
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beginning of the year. my upper chest looks really shallow here.
my chest has gotten substantially bigger now since i raised my dumbbell press weight and started doing flies. should take another progress brotograph in a bit
arm day? mirin all you guys, especially your shoulders bud. i think i can play along, if you look past my sickly, pasty color
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btw is there some connection between working out hard, and facial hair growth? all i'm really doing lately is shitting and shaving
[QUOTE=WhackChack;28104952]arm day? mirin all you guys, especially your shoulders bud. i think i can play along, if you look past my sickly, pasty color
[img_thumb]http://imageupload.org/?di=212979371472[/img_thumb]
btw is there some connection between working out hard, and facial hair growth? all i'm really doing lately is shitting and shaving[/QUOTE]
Nah i really dont thing there related, less it has something to do with hormones or testosterone on the body when working out.
[QUOTE=DragonMan933;28103277]I find you have a intense need to argue with me for what ever reason[/QUOTE]
I find you have intense need to spit out random bullshit broscience that you know nothing about.
I don't post much,but it seems like arm time so...
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Entire thread is wimps
[QUOTE=Binsky;28100515]Sounds a bit like broscience to me. You can lose arguably just as much weight through diet and weightlifting as you could with diet and cardio. I recommend doing both but you do burn a good amount of calories weightlifting and with proper dieting it should be more than enough to lose a substantial amount of weight.
The only way I can see that cardio is better is that you can only weight lift for so long until you over train and but you can do the same with cardio it just takes longer.[/QUOTE]
Weight training is what's most effective for me.
I still do plenty of cardio, but I still attribute most of my weight loss through weight training and watching what I eat.
[QUOTE=Binsky;28100802]What isn't clear to you? Weight lifting for an hour can equate to burning about 300+ calories and that paired with proper dieting can be enough to see good results. Once again, I do recommend doing cardio with weightlifting to see the best results.[/QUOTE]
Not only that, but the muscle you gain through weightlifting burns calories through simply existing.
So yeah, cardio+weightlifting+dieting=best weight loss solution.
Also, I'm planning on switching up my workout plan. What should I do?
I'm thinking of this:
Day 1:
Bench press
dumbbell bench press
Close grip bench press or skullcrushers
Military dumbbell press.
Dumbbell pec flies
Day 2:
1 Armed rows
Lat pulldowns
Biceps curls
Shoulder shrugs (Right now, I use these 77 lb dumbbells with really thick grips. It's one hell of a forearm workout holding them)
Middle back shrugs
Day 3:
Squats
Dead lift or Romanian dead lift (I'll alternate between them every leg day)
Calf raises
[QUOTE=DragonMan933;28103277]I find you have a intense need to argue with me for what ever reason[/QUOTE]
I'm just trying to help you. I, and almost everyone in this thread, feel like you're horribly misinformed. If you don't want to listen then I will gladly stop but you probably shouldn't come to this thread with the mentality that you alone are right because "you know what you're talking about".
I was simply offering you some information on weight lifting and body building. I have no urge to mindlessly argue with you, if you want my help I can do my best to do so, otherwise, I'm done talking to you.
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