• Weightlifting/Bodybuilding Thread
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[QUOTE=FrontFuze;25258928]I'm looking at a lot of posters here and disgusting "big-buff" bodies. I'll come back to this thread to post how my body looks, but just saying, I'm going for that lean ripped look, I do sprints every day and I go to gym to workout strength and power only. Bitches love touching me, none of the disgusting shit I've seen posted in this thread, and I can bench a lot for my size and build. I'm 160 6"0' I can sprint faster than most of the buff idiots and I have way more endurance. It's better to be ripped and lean than buff and slow[/QUOTE] Ugh more ignorance. Dude, you're never going to get big enough to the point where it actually slows you down. TRUST ME. That shit doesn't happen accidentally. In actuality increased muscle and CNS conditioning will INCREASE your dash times. There's a reason almost every top level sprinter also squats a fucking lot. P.S 13 year old bitches may love ur hawt abz, but when you hit 20-25 suddenly bitches are more interested in your back, legs, chest and shoulders. [editline]06:57AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Binsky;25233118]i personally don't take supplements. Instead i eat lots of eggs and peanut butter and drink lots of milk. And honestly your body can only take so much protein at once. Too much protein can be a very bad thing for your body.[/QUOTE] Meh. I challenge ANYONE to actually eat enough protein where it's reaching toxic levels. Won't happen trust me. Unless you're like the world's fattest cunt and just can't stop eating, but then you've got bigger problems. Anyway, protein is only the building blocks. If you don't pay (calories) the workers, then fuck you, you ain't getting shit built. [editline]07:05AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Maucer;25264171]Yeah but with supplements you'd gain better results. Idea of whey protein is that its absorbed twice as fast as regular protein such as caseine in milk, and is ideal to take fast protein after exercise to turn catabolism into anabolism. You should use slow proteins with meals, especially before going to sleep. [/QUOTE] You can disregard the whole "fast absorption" shit about whey. It's not actually as fast as supp companies make it out to be, it's still rather slow, just faster than most proteins. Also your body isn't in a state of catabolism post workout, unless you've just done some ridiculous endurance event. No-one works out long enough in the gym to hit a state of catabolism. The ideal thing about whey is that it's a very bio-available protein. But honestly in the long run, it doesn't matter whether you down a whey shake or eat a steak after your workout. It's just protein powders are very convenient, especially for hardgainers who are pussies about eating food. In all actuality, more and more studies are beginning to support casein as a superior protein for muscle building. So who gives a fuck, down a chocolate milk after your workout if you like. It's actually a pretty ideal PWO drink, sugar, some fat, and 80% casein/20% whey. [editline]07:11AM[/editline] From Alan Aragon: [quote] They’ll tank down isolated leucine, BCAA, and/or whey, thinking they’ve found the ticket to net anabolism. There’s also this false implication that whey, being higher in leucine than casein, is superior. Not true, at least according to the current body of research, which indicates that casein, or at the very least, a blend of casein & whey, is superior to whey alone for affecting a number of parameters bodybuilders care about. What people seem to constantly forget is that net gains in muscle are the result of not just protein synthesis, but the inhibition of protein breakdown. Casein’s antiproteolytic effect is more profound than whey or leucine’s protein-synthetic effect. Hence its lead spot in the current body of research. [/quote]
Not that hard to eat too much protein. A shake has 30-50g, if you have 4 shakes a day + a bunch of normal food and don't weight that much it can get pretty bad after a while. And I know people that do this shit, they are fucked up.
My workout goes as follows. Monday-Chest/tris Tues-Back/bis Wed-Shoulders Thurs-Abs and legs Friday-Burnout alternating muscle groups each week [IMG]http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8766/meaftergym10610.jpg[/IMG] That would be me. Took it yesterday. Turn your head sideways. Its good for your neck muscles. Also maxes are as follows. Bench-235 lbs Squat- ~250 lbs Curl- 120lbs Overhead tricep extension- 110 lbs I weigh 136. Questions, just shoot me a pm
I don't understand why people think that if they are in shape they suddenly know how to instruct other people.
[QUOTE=Tahrok;25301235]I don't understand why people think that if they are in shape they suddenly know how to instruct other people.[/QUOTE] because USUALLY the reason that someone is in shape is because they had to figure out a lot of stuff on their own, and did a lot of things wrong and a lot of things right and are passing on their knowledge. no one is instructing anyone. we're just suggesting [editline]04:49AM[/editline] oh and the things said in this thread are just a guideline, you'd be stupid not to research deeper into everything talked about here if you don't know its validity, it's just a great way to give people tips and sum things up
[QUOTE=VQ35HR;25300437]Not that hard to eat too much protein. A shake has 30-50g, if you have 4 shakes a day + a bunch of normal food and don't weight that much it can get pretty bad after a while. And I know people that do this shit, they are fucked up.[/QUOTE] Still not anywhere near toxic levels. Excuse me for hanging off Alan Aragon's nutsack again, but I really can't be bothered trolling through pubmed for specific articles, and Aragon is a no-frills no-bullshit guy (this is good when you don't want to deal with the retardedness of BBing.com or the blind belief of rip off products on t-nation): [quote= Alan Aragon] The origin: Back in 1983, researchers first discovered that eating more protein increases your "glomerular filtration rate," or GFR. Think of GFR as the amount of blood your kidneys are filtering per minute. From this finding, many scientists made the leap that a higher GFR places your kidneys under greater stress. What science really shows: Nearly 2 decades ago, Dutch researchers found that while a protein-rich meal did boost GFR, it didn't have an adverse effect on overall kidney function. In fact, there's zero published research showing that downing hefty amounts of protein—specifically, up to 1.27 grams per pound of body weight a day—damages healthy kidneys. [/quote] Please keep in mind, I am in no way advocating every 140lb dude start downing 300g of protein a day in the hope of getting HYOOGE. It just won't happen and you'll probably feel sick. All I'm saying is there's no evidence for high protein diets doing damage to the kidneys or liver. At any rate, for a drug free athlete, 1.0 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight is easily enough to provide an optimal environment for muscle growth, assuming support macros (fats, carbs etc) are adequate. Where many go wrong, I think, is they aren't getting enough calories, so they think they need more protein when what they need to do is up their carbs and/or fats.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;25285757]Ugh more ignorance. Dude, you're never going to get big enough to the point where it actually slows you down. TRUST ME. That shit doesn't happen accidentally. In actuality increased muscle and CNS conditioning will INCREASE your dash times. There's a reason almost every top level sprinter also squats a fucking lot. You can disregard the whole "fast absorption" shit about whey. It's not actually as fast as supp companies make it out to be, it's still rather slow, just faster than most proteins. Also your body isn't in a state of catabolism post workout, unless you've just done some ridiculous endurance event. No-one works out long enough in the gym to hit a state of catabolism. The ideal thing about whey is that it's a very bio-available protein. But honestly in the long run, it doesn't matter whether you down a whey shake or eat a steak after your workout. It's just protein powders are very convenient, especially for hardgainers who are pussies about eating food. In all actuality, more and more studies are beginning to support casein as a superior protein for muscle building. So who gives a fuck, down a chocolate milk after your workout if you like. It's actually a pretty ideal PWO drink, sugar, some fat, and 80% casein/20% whey. From Alan Aragon[/QUOTE] Well catabolism does happen if you don't give yourself the "building blocks" and energy to strengthen the muscle tissue after exercise. But of course I'm not saying this would happen if you don't use supplements. Actually to lose muscle mass you should not eat anything for the whole day. And I agree, to understand how much the supp companies lie, all you have to do is read the label and read what they claim. For clarifation: I believe that additional supplements do give you better results, but I don't see the benefits big enough for the price (For ne, I'm a student). I've considered creatine though. I've always just eaten regular food after gym and focus on high protein content. But after all, I don't take weightlifting that seriously, and I don't aim for huge muscles. Stamina > strenght > Big muscles
[QUOTE=SickJits;25239867]supplements are fine...i don't know why people hate on them. you shouldn't use them if you're under 18, but alot of supplements work and do wonders. superpump 250, and pretty much all of the gaspari nutrition line make you shredded as fuck.[/QUOTE] Protein is fine. It's no worse than taking multivitamins. Other supplements have some side effects and I would try to avoid them. Creatine is safe and effective, but I still don't recommend it. I have been gaining strength just fine without a single supplement other than multivitamins. Plus some sources say it can cause stomach aches, nausea, diarrhea and muscle cramps. Just going to say this to the thread as well: I already lost some weight from weight training. About 1.4 pounds, and I think I've been gaining muscle too. We maxed deadlifts yesterday also, I could do 225, and I was so close to maxing at 245, but I just couldn't get my shoulders back.
lots and lots and lots and lots of ignorance and misinformation in this thread everyone should post pics so i know who to take seriously and who to disregard ;) [editline]12:13PM[/editline] [QUOTE=GamerKiwi;25305607]Protein is fine. It's no worse than taking multivitamins. Other supplements have some side effects and I would try to avoid them. Creatine is safe and effective, but I still don't recommend it. I have been gaining strength just fine without a single supplement other than multivitamins. Plus some sources say it can cause stomach aches, nausea, diarrhea and muscle cramps. Just going to say this to the thread as well: I already lost some weight from weight training. About 1.4 pounds, and I think I've been gaining muscle too. We maxed deadlifts yesterday also, I could do 225, and I was so close to maxing at 245, but I just couldn't get my shoulders back.[/QUOTE] There's no reason to avoid other supplements, try them and see if they work for you. I'm not using any right now simply because i'm fucking broke. As soon as I get a job I'm getting some gaspari nutrition products. Superpump 250 and probably the myo gain shit also to everyone saying they don't wanna look big, bullshit, yes you do, you're just not getting big. and to the people who say if you're muscular you're not fast or i don't have stamina, i challenge you to sprints, endurance lifting and some sparring sessions. i'll beat your ass at all of them. i'm extremely quick, extremely explosive, strong as a gorilla and i have lots and lots of stamina.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;25303910]Still not anywhere near toxic levels. Excuse me for hanging off Alan Aragon's nutsack again, but I really can't be bothered trolling through pubmed for specific articles, and Aragon is a no-frills no-bullshit guy (this is good when you don't want to deal with the retardedness of BBing.com or the blind belief of rip off products on t-nation): Please keep in mind, I am in no way advocating every 140lb dude start downing 300g of protein a day in the hope of getting HYOOGE. It just won't happen and you'll probably feel sick. All I'm saying is there's no evidence for high protein diets doing damage to the kidneys or liver. At any rate, for a drug free athlete, 1.0 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight is easily enough to provide an optimal environment for muscle growth, assuming support macros (fats, carbs etc) are adequate. Where many go wrong, I think, is they aren't getting enough calories, so they think they need more protein when what they need to do is up their carbs and/or fats.[/QUOTE] don't know if srs there are numerous study that show too much protein is bad for your kidneys/liver. don't believe me? search it up on google, I just saw at least 10 official studies. and these toxic levels aren't hard to achieve, like i said, 4-5 shakes a day +normal food is already well 300/400 [editline]04:03AM[/editline] [QUOTE=SickJits;25306270]lots and lots and lots and lots of ignorance and misinformation in this thread everyone should post pics so i know who to take seriously and who to disregard ;) [editline]12:13PM[/editline] There's no reason to avoid other supplements, try them and see if they work for you. I'm not using any right now simply because i'm fucking broke. As soon as I get a job I'm getting some gaspari nutrition products. Superpump 250 and probably the myo gain shit also to everyone saying they don't wanna look big, bullshit, yes you do, you're just not getting big. and to the people who say if you're muscular you're not fast or i don't have stamina, i challenge you to sprints, endurance lifting and some sparring sessions. i'll beat your ass at all of them. i'm extremely quick, extremely explosive, strong as a gorilla and i have lots and lots of stamina.[/QUOTE] i weigh less than you and by bodyweight/strength ratio I am technically stronger lol but yeah I agree, people that say they don't want to big just aren't doing anything right supplements like sp250 can cause cardiovascular problems. they expand the blood vessels by getting the blood flow flowing to the muscles, that's what gives you the pump. if you do this regularly, the vessels can get permanently expanded and cause low blood presure, etc. (bigger vessel, same amount of blood=less pressure) [editline]04:05AM[/editline] [QUOTE=GamerKiwi;25305607]Protein is fine. It's no worse than taking multivitamins. Other supplements have some side effects and I would try to avoid them. Creatine is safe and effective, but I still don't recommend it. I have been gaining strength just fine without a single supplement other than multivitamins. Plus some sources say it can cause stomach aches, nausea, diarrhea and muscle cramps. Just going to say this to the thread as well: I already lost some weight from weight training. About 1.4 pounds, and I think I've been gaining muscle too. We maxed deadlifts yesterday also, I could do 225, and I was so close to maxing at 245, but I just couldn't get my shoulders back.[/QUOTE] nice, i did 300 the other day and it felt a lot easier than usual
[QUOTE=BuG;25232958]Creatine doesn't make you poop more, otherwise it would be a weight loss supplement.[/QUOTE] but for a couple weeks, it will make your shits very..... ummmm........ how should I say....... INTENSE.
[QUOTE=VQ35HR;25301261]because USUALLY the reason that someone is in shape is because they had to figure out a lot of stuff on their own, and did a lot of things wrong and a lot of things right and are passing on their knowledge. no one is instructing anyone. we're just suggesting [editline]04:49AM[/editline] oh and the things said in this thread are just a guideline, you'd be stupid not to research deeper into everything talked about here if you don't know its validity, it's just a great way to give people tips and sum things up[/QUOTE] I wasn't meaning this thread or anyone in it. I just mean people in general. The big guys at school assume they know the correct workouts for every body type. I am in shape but it's when I see them instruct others that bugs me.
[QUOTE=Tahrok;25312002]I wasn't meaning this thread or anyone in it. I just mean people in general. The big guys at school assume they know the correct workouts for every body type. I am in shape but it's when I see them instruct others that bugs me.[/QUOTE] yeah the worst part is that when people are like that not because they workout but just because they have amazing genetics I know people like that who can only squat their bodyweight but look huge so everyone trusts them then ends up doing curls all day speaking of that, today I saw some guy workout arms the WHOLE time I was there. I did 6 exercises and he was curling the whole time. He's like the situation frmo jersey shore, huge arms, little body
I'm giving my legs a break for a month or so. My strength and size is pretty disproportionate, pretty big quads/calves, no upper body. Deadding almost two time my bodyweight and can still hardly 1 rep max my bodyweight on bench.
[QUOTE=VQ35HR;25312173]yeah the worst part is that when people are like that not because they workout but just because they have amazing genetics I know people like that who can only squat their bodyweight but look huge so everyone trusts them then ends up doing curls all day speaking of that, today I saw some guy workout arms the WHOLE time I was there. I did 6 exercises and he was curling the whole time. He's like the situation frmo jersey shore, huge arms, little body[/QUOTE] 3 days a week i do arms only work outs big arms ftw.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;25312461]I'm giving my legs a break for a month or so. My strength and size is pretty disproportionate, pretty big quads/calves, no upper body. Deadding almost two time my bodyweight and can still hardly 1 rep max my bodyweight on bench.[/QUOTE] Even if you are disproportionate, i wouldn't stop working any of your muscles. Just try to work the weaker ones harder and they'll catch up. It'll be better in the long run
[QUOTE=Binsky;25312676]Even if you are disproportionate, i wouldn't stop working any of your muscles. Just try to work the weaker ones harder and they'll catch up. It'll be better in the long run[/QUOTE] Surely just neglecting my legs for a few weeks won't really hinder me all that much?
[QUOTE=Perfumly;25313294]Surely just neglecting my legs for a few weeks won't really hinder me all that much?[/QUOTE] it will.
[QUOTE=Maucer;25305267]Well catabolism does happen if you don't give yourself the "building blocks" and energy to strengthen the muscle tissue after exercise. But of course I'm not saying this would happen if you don't use supplements. Actually to lose muscle mass you should not eat anything for the whole day. [/QUOTE] Nope. Srs. You are not in a catabolic state after working out, whether you give your body protein or not is irrelevant. You could go for a 5k run with low glycogen stores and still not be in a catabolic state. There's some grave misunderstandings about how the human body works in this thread, and If I appear like some smug asshole, forgive me, all I'm trying to do is change some of these ingrained myths and perceptions. (like for example that jogging will make you lose muscle, which is an infinitely retarded myth). As for not eating anything for a day, no, again. This is called fasting and the human body is actually surprisingly efficient at it. Many bodybuilders/physique athletes do this strategically for fat loss. However yes, you would be in catabolic state after, which is immediately rectified when you break the fast by eating. Losing muscle occurs when the body is in a catabolic state for extended periods of time. If you're an active person, the body is much quicker to use fat stores than go after muscle. [b]However I don't recommend beginners just start not eating in the vain hope they lose more fat, it's a very easy thing to fuck up and have yourself going in the opposite direction.[/b]
[QUOTE=Perfumly;25313294]Surely just neglecting my legs for a few weeks won't really hinder me all that much?[/QUOTE] Just do less weight and more reps. Don't stop though.
[QUOTE=SickJits;25306270]also to everyone saying they don't wanna look big, bullshit, yes you do, you're just not getting big.[/QUOTE] [B][QUOTE=SickJits;25306270]lots and lots and lots and lots of ignorance and misinformation in this thread[/QUOTE][/B] [QUOTE=SickJits;25306270]everyone should post pics so i know who to take seriously and who to disregard ;) and to the people who say if you're muscular you're not fast or i don't have stamina, i challenge you to sprints, endurance lifting and some sparring sessions. i'll beat your ass at all of them. i'm extremely quick, extremely explosive, strong as a gorilla and i have lots and lots of stamina.[/QUOTE] [B][QUOTE=SickJits;25306270]lots and lots and lots and lots of ignorance and misinformation in this thread [/QUOTE][/B] :frog:
Sparring, eh? That is a little vague, I'd say. What do you know, cocky asshole; oops I mean SickJits?
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;25315862]Nope. Srs. You are not in a catabolic state after working out, whether you give your body protein or not is irrelevant. You could go for a 5k run with low glycogen stores and still not be in a catabolic state. There's some grave misunderstandings about how the human body works in this thread, and If I appear like some smug asshole, forgive me, all I'm trying to do is change some of these ingrained myths and perceptions. (like for example that jogging will make you lose muscle, which is an infinitely retarded myth). [/QUOTE] Well a running is quite different to lifting weights, which I meant by that. As far as I know, when you stress your muscles, the muscle tissue tears up a little bit, and recovers stronger. That is also why you don't get any results if you do a rough workout every day. The muscle tissue doesn't have enough time to recover. [QUOTE=GamerKiwi;25305607] Just going to say this to the thread as well: I already lost some weight from weight training. About 1.4 pounds, and I think I've been gaining muscle too. We maxed deadlifts yesterday also, I could do 225, and I was so close to maxing at 245, but I just couldn't get my shoulders back.[/QUOTE] TBH weight training really doesn't make you lose any weight, more like you should gain some. It's really really hard to be on minus calories, lose weight and gain muscle at the same time. Also it's ridiculous to say that you've lost 1.4 pounds. Your weight can vary a few pounds easily between morning and night.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;25312461]I'm giving my legs a break for a month or so. My strength and size is pretty disproportionate, pretty big quads/calves, no upper body. Deadding almost two time my bodyweight and can still hardly 1 rep max my bodyweight on bench.[/QUOTE] Really, you should keep going with your legs, just only work them out maybe once a week or something, don't just stop. And a 2x deadlift is perfectly fine, I do 2x bodyweight so you should be fine. [editline]04:03AM[/editline] [QUOTE=SickJits;25312563]3 days a week i do arms only work outs big arms ftw.[/QUOTE] don't know if srs
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;25325138]Sparring, eh? That is a little vague, I'd say. What do you know, cocky asshole; oops I mean SickJits?[/QUOTE] Wrestled for 4 years, blue belt in brazilian jiu jitsu under fabio leopoldo now training under david terrell, also boxing and kick boxing 4 days a week. get at me dweeb. [editline]11:54AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Maucer;25325152] TBH weight training really doesn't make you lose any weight, more like you should gain some. It's really really hard to be on minus calories, lose weight and gain muscle at the same time. Also it's ridiculous to say that you've lost 1.4 pounds. Your weight can vary a few pounds easily between morning and night.[/QUOTE] So then where did 30 pounds go? I guess if lifting weights doesn't make you lose weight, the 30 lbs i had about 6 months ago just magically disappeared when I was only weight training. Stfu and gtfo jackass [editline]11:55AM[/editline] [QUOTE=VQ35HR;25325199]Really, you should keep going with your legs, just only work them out maybe once a week or something, don't just stop. And a 2x deadlift is perfectly fine, I do 2x bodyweight so you should be fine. [editline]04:03AM[/editline] don't know if srs[/QUOTE] 100% serious, on tuesdays, thursdays and saturdays you can find me doing dumbell/barbell curls, close grip bench press, hammer curls, pulldowns, skullcrushers and standing flyes. big arms are seriously ftw.
So not gonna lie, I'm a computer person in college for computer programming. I've started working on improving my diet and I want to start working out to lose some weight. I'm not overweight but I can certainly stand to lose some pounds. Basically looking for a list of exercises for a newbie that will give me a good balanced workout.
[QUOTE=Warchamp7;25334861]So not gonna lie, I'm a computer person in college for computer programming. I've started working on improving my diet and I want to start working out to lose some weight. I'm not overweight but I can certainly stand to lose some pounds. Basically looking for a list of exercises for a newbie that will give me a good balanced workout.[/QUOTE] Deadlift heavy you bitch. Srsly though, almost anyone serious, be it for performance or physique/health, should have their workouts focused around this: The big 3 (Deadlift, Squat and Bench) Supported by Pullups and Dips Infact, you could focus on only these for years and make GREAT progress. As dave tate says, every fuckin guy tries to major in the minors, but none of them want to major in the majors first.
[QUOTE=SickJits;25334562] So then where did 30 pounds go? I guess if lifting weights doesn't make you lose weight, the 30 lbs i had about 6 months ago just magically disappeared when I was only weight training. Stfu and gtfo jackass [/QUOTE] You averagely ate less than you consumed. Sure it does raise your consumption, but it's ridiculous to say that it was because of weightlifting.
[QUOTE=SickJits;25334562]Wrestled for 4 years, blue belt in brazilian jiu jitsu under fabio leopoldo now training under david terrell, also boxing and kick boxing 4 days a week. get at me dweeb. [editline]11:54AM[/editline] So then where did 30 pounds go? I guess if lifting weights doesn't make you lose weight, the 30 lbs i had about 6 months ago just magically disappeared when I was only weight training. Stfu and gtfo jackass [editline]11:55AM[/editline] 100% serious, on tuesdays, thursdays and saturdays you can find me doing dumbell/barbell curls, close grip bench press, hammer curls, pulldowns, skullcrushers and standing flyes. big arms are seriously ftw.[/QUOTE] this is why you weigh so much more than me yet can only do a little bit more on most exercises lol. why would you spend so much time on such a small part of your body if your back, chest and legs (biggest parts) are only getting as much or less as your arms
[QUOTE=Maucer;25343183]You averagely ate less than you consumed. Sure it does raise your consumption, but it's ridiculous to say that it was because of weightlifting.[/QUOTE] And here you go thinking you know everything. No, I ate the same amount. Would you like to make any more retarded assumptions? [editline]09:54PM[/editline] [QUOTE=VQ35HR;25343202]this is why you weigh so much more than me yet can only do a little bit more on most exercises lol. why would you spend so much time on such a small part of your body if your back, chest and legs (biggest parts) are only getting as much or less as your arms[/QUOTE] I do chest/back/legs 3 days a week also. On sundays I do heavy days, squats, deadlifts, etc. etc. also, why would i spend so much time on it? I like having big arms. women think it's sexy and i think it's bad ass.
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