Feminism and the Disposable Man - General

[QUOTE=minilandstan;41756746]Remember when saving a woman was considered romantic, not misogynistic? And there is something about different genders that society didn't spew from originally, which comes from a saying my old [B]female[/B] health teacher told everyone. Men are more physical and simple in nature, women are more psychological and emotional in nature. Women like to talk about their day, like to be very social and have lots of friends. Men like to kill things. Women go into great detail when they tell a story. Men get right to the point. Women like to have romantic cuddle sessions and kiss a lot. Men like to fuck things. Men are built to be rough and tough and throw spears into big animals, women are there to be guidance and compassion, a world with just men would be terrible because the emotional aspect would be nearly gone. Yes there are feminine men, and masculine women, but they're far less common. And no I'm not implying women should bow down to men and accept them as their overlords.[/QUOTE] wow thanks doc, so glad to have an expert's opinion

[QUOTE=minilandstan;41756746]Men like to kill things.[/quote] I am physically sickened by the sight of violence. [quote]Women like to have romantic cuddle sessions and kiss a lot.[/quote] So do I. [quote]And no I'm not implying women should bow down to men and accept them as their overlords.[/QUOTE] So what are you implying?

oh snap a you say a [I]woman[/I] told you these things????? well then obviously they must be completely certified to say that all men have a violence fetish, thank you very much for this information [editline]8th August[/editline] yeah see that makes sense because i as a man take great pleasure in the killing of tiny animals, i mean i'd just be some kind of psycho if i didn't right

[QUOTE=minilandstan;41756746]And there is something about different genders that society didn't spew from originally, which comes from a saying my old [B]female[/B] health teacher told everyone. Men are more physical and simple in nature, women are more psychological and emotional in nature. Women like to talk about their day, like to be very social and have lots of friends. Men like to kill things. Women go into great detail when they tell a story. Men get right to the point. Women like to have romantic cuddle sessions and kiss a lot. Men like to fuck things. Men are built to be rough and tough and throw spears into big animals, women are there to be guidance and compassion, a world with just men would be terrible because the emotional aspect would be nearly gone. Yes there are feminine men, and masculine women, but they're far less common. And no I'm not implying women should bow down to men and accept them as their overlords.[/QUOTE] I didn't think anyone still actually believed all those clichés lol

I have this sudden urge to kill and then fuck something Thanks, minilandstan's teacher, for enlightening me

[QUOTE=Kopimi;41750547]is she gassed up on something why does she do this stupid self satisfied laugh every 30 seconds. her rambling nonsense about how "females are the determining factor in reproduction" (despite there being a need for a man to impregnate a woman??) and how thats the reason for human success, placing value on women over men, doesn't make any sense and is just her desperately trying to set up a basis for the idea that society values women over men. the burning building example is a complete fallacy, nobody says you need to save a woman over a man lol, and like the lifeboat argument, the reason people don't expect you to save women first is because the feminist movement has reversed that nonsense which came from the idea that women were weaker and needed protecting in the first place. then she goes on to say that tending to baby girls more than baby boys is a sign of female preference, completely ignoring that its just the result of a focus on masculinity and gender roles in society, ie completely unrelated to sexism against men OR women. essentially she just rambles for 16 minutes about things that disadvantage men in society, like military involvement and the lifeboat example, things that came from a belief that women were inferior and needed protection, and pins it on feminism despite the fact that no actual feminist would argue that you need to save a woman over a man in the event of a fire. then she tries to blame the enforcement of gender roles on feminism? give me a break the only thing more annoying than this video are the waves of comments from people who get hard at the idea of a woman being against feminism. the first couple comments in this thread are just people who probably didnt even watch the video feeling validated that a female said something bad about feminism and thus somehow her arguments are more valid than if a man whined about it [editline]7th August 2013[/editline] lol complaining about the fact that an industry is run by straight white men isn't sexist/racist its an acknowledgement of inequality in power structure[/QUOTE] It really can't be that hard to listen to a video [quote]her rambling nonsense about how "females are the determining factor in reproduction" (despite there being a need for a man to impregnate a woman??)[/quote] It takes one man to impregnate 100 women, from a biological standpoint it's purely up to women how many children a society can produce as long as there's even a percent of men around as there are women. She explained this, listen to the video instead of asking silly questions. [quote]then she goes on to say that tending to baby girls more than baby boys is a sign of female preference[/quote] No, she said it was enforcing the roles that men should suck it up and women will always be attended to, she didn't say it had anything with preferance to do, once again listen to the video instead of making up your own stuff. [quote]and pins it on feminism despite the fact that no actual feminist would argue that you need to save a woman over a man in the event of a fire.[/quote] She didn't pin it on femenism which you would know if you had actually listened. She said that femenists are only arguing over the disadvantages that women have while ignoring the point that she's talking about that men are expected to see themselves as expendable in the face of women, and that women should see men as expendable. This doesn't make women or feminists evil or greedy or anything at all, she just wants to point out something that she thinks have been ignored. You failed completely to listen to what she said and made up your own points and tried to put them in her mouth, please don't do that. She explained things very clearly.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];41745959']From a societal standpoint it does... Which is at the level that it really matters. [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1295628&p=41694479&highlight=#post41694479"]Personal or ideological racism means naught compared to systematic/societal racism, which is institutional[/URL]. This is exactly why it's mostly irrelevant that there's black people who are racist against white people or what have you, when they live in a white dominated society.[/QUOTE] But we were talking about individual level. People in this thread were generalizing white males, which is sexist and racist ([B]NOT ON THE INSTITUTIONAL LEVEL[/B]). And I really like the way some of you are behaving. "We are all for equality and we don't like when people are judged based on their race or gender; All white males are evil and stupid and the reason for all problems." Why the fuck do you insist on making it us (the righteous ones) vs (evil) white males? It doesn't help. While racism and sexism against white males ([B]NOT ON THE INSTITUTIONAL LEVEL[/B]) is not really a big issue compared to what other races and women get, it doesn't help at all. It just makes it even worse. If you'll attack people, they will fight back, get defensive, oppose you. Why the hell would you advocate something like that if you want equality. Shouldn't it be something like "look there are unfair and unneeded gender roles, our society made in the past, and they are a problem for everyone, lets work this out together (even without ignoring that it was mostly because of men who held power)". No, it has to be a fight against the oppression of the white male hivemind or something (there are females who believe that gender roles are good too). It's really not helping. From your point of view it might look like you're doing the right thing, but overall you are kinda like a religious zealot, you make people associate the movement you belong to with something negative. See janus vesta's post in this thread. That's the response you make people get when they hear feminism. They don't really know what's it about, they only hear about it from the most vocal ones, whether it's on tv or internet board. Because of the stupid "fight evil white males for the equality" attitude you antagonize people against the movement, that is right in it's core goal "not to discriminate people based on gender" (and I admit it mostly relates to women issues). I fully support the original cause (contrary to what you think about me), I think women should do whatever job they fucking want, get paid adequately to their work not based on their gender, I don't think that it's women's job to take care of the children and the household, and shit I don't think that [U]anyone[/U] should be looked down upon because they do things that aren't masculine (if they are a male) or feminine (when they are a female), but holy shit do I disagree with your attitude about this. It's just too angry. Too antagonizing. Too dividing. There are many white males who don't like gender roles. Can't we make gender roles a societal issue that everyone should oppose and not a righteous war against evil white male oppression, please? [editline]8th August 2013[/editline] Why do you rate this dumb gestapo? Not only I fully oppose gender roles, I also fully oppose making it us vs them issue, just like you claimed you do on the first page.

[QUOTE=minilandstan;41756746] Men like to fuck things.[/QUOTE] This is true, I fucked a spongecake last night before I ate it.

[QUOTE=Diet Kane;41762495]This is true, I fucked a spongecake last night before I ate it.[/QUOTE] That's pretty cool, but you ain't fucked shit until you've fucked shit. [editline]8th August 2013[/editline] Give the world the bird and prick that turd.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41759421]I didn't think anyone still actually believed all those clichés lol[/QUOTE] it's true max just yesterday i was trying to smell some flowers, but suddenly bright red text saying "[b]MASCULINE BIOLOGICAL PROGRAMMING OVERRIDE ENGAGED[/b]" appeared in my vision, and i immediately tore off my shirt, hurled a spear into the nearest dog, then began humping the women who owned the dog as she screamed

[QUOTE=minilandstan;41756746][B]Remember when saving a woman was considered romantic, not misogynistic? [/B] And there is something about different genders that society didn't spew from originally, which comes from a saying my old [B]female[/B] health teacher told everyone. Men are more physical and simple in nature, women are more psychological and emotional in nature. Women like to talk about their day, like to be very social and have lots of friends. Men like to kill things. Women go into great detail when they tell a story. Men get right to the point. Women like to have romantic cuddle sessions and kiss a lot. Men like to fuck things. Men are built to be rough and tough and throw spears into big animals, women are there to be guidance and compassion, a world with just men would be terrible because the emotional aspect would be nearly gone. Yes there are feminine men, and masculine women, but they're far less common. And no I'm not implying women should bow down to men and accept them as their overlords.[/QUOTE] hahaha wow you've really outdone yourself minil this is the dumbest post ive ever seen hyper generalizations of both sexes AND a victimization complex? give yourself a pat on the back

[QUOTE=Lambda 217;41763125]it's true max just yesterday i was trying to smell some flowers, but suddenly bright red text saying "[b]MASCULINE BIOLOGICAL PROGRAMMING OVERRIDE ENGAGED[/b]" appeared in my vision, and i immediately tore off my shirt, hurled a spear into the nearest dog, then began humping the women who owned the dog as she screamed[/QUOTE] So no one believes anymore that you should do masculine things if you are a male and feminine things if you are a female? Wouldn't that mean that there are no more gender roles anymore which would deem feminism needless at that point? I thought those "clichés" are part of what you are supposed to be opposing.

[QUOTE=jiggu;41759858]It takes one man to impregnate 100 women, from a biological standpoint it's purely up to women how many children a society can produce as long as there's even a percent of men around as there are women. She explained this, listen to the video instead of asking silly questions.[/quote] cool doesnt have anything to do with feminism but cool. there are a lot more factors besides fucking that determine biological success but w/e we're clearly just accepting "hm that sounds.. that makes sense i guess" pseudoscience as a foundation for our species survival all to make some weird roundabout point about how women are the ones that have it easy in society lol [QUOTE=jiggu;41759858]No, she said it was enforcing the roles that men should suck it up and women will always be attended to, she didn't say it had anything with preferance to do, once again listen to the video instead of making up your own stuff.[/quote] enforcing roles, preference, same deal; her entire point is that women are coddled and men are forced to be masculine and tough and then tries to pin that on feminism despite it having literally nothing to do with feminism and, if anything, feminism would be working to reverse that state anyway [QUOTE=jiggu;41759858]She didn't pin it on femenism which you would know if you had actually listened. She said that femenists are only arguing over the disadvantages that women have while ignoring the point that she's talking about that men are expected to see themselves as expendable in the face of women, and that women should see men as expendable.[/quote] ok well shes completely wrong because feminism is the #1 non-moronic MRA movement there is and if she thinks feminism doesn't address issues that disadvantage men she's flat out wrong. the stuff about men being expendable has nothing to do with feminism either so yes she is just pinning it on feminism [QUOTE=jiggu;41759858]This doesn't make women or feminists evil or greedy or anything at all, she just wants to point out something that she thinks have been ignored. You failed completely to listen to what she said and made up your own points and tried to put them in her mouth, please don't do that. She explained things very clearly.[/QUOTE] nah i watched the video and my initial post was entirely accurate, she throws about a list of things that disadvantage men and then implies feminism is either causing or perpetuating these disadvantages which is straight up wrong, sorry. [editline]8th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;41764350]So no one believes anymore that you should do masculine things if you are a male and feminine things if you are a female? Wouldn't that mean that there are no more gender roles anymore which would deem feminism needless at that point? I thought those "clichés" are part of what you are supposed to be opposing.[/QUOTE] uh ignoring that nobody said there shouldn't/isn't gender roles anymore that doesn't really have to do with feminism anyway so

[QUOTE=Kopimi;41764387]uh ignoring that nobody said there shouldn't/isn't gender roles anymore that doesn't really have to do with feminism anyway so[/QUOTE] I thought feminism was about gender equality and fighting gender roles.

She never said feminism caused any of these things, she said that feminism in general ignores them in favor of womens issues only.

[QUOTE=Rhenae;41764771]She never said feminism caused any of these things, she said that feminism in general ignores them in favor of womens issues only.[/QUOTE] ok thats not true but

[QUOTE=Rhenae;41764771]She never said feminism caused any of these things, she said that feminism in general ignores them in favor of womens issues only.[/QUOTE] i dont know how this can be said when feminists led the charge for LGBT rights in the 70s id like to think those are mens issues as much as they are women's issues

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;41765876]I was going to ask if you were new, then I realized you registered a year before me. Fedora jokes on Facepunch are like confetti, they're used regardless of who their targeting so long as something they said is at least tangently related to gender issues, atheism or whatever facepunch can associate with poor fashion sense.[/QUOTE] they're used all the time, but they only actually apply comedically to the lonely, bitter and resentful

[QUOTE=minilandstan;41756746]Remember when saving a woman was considered romantic, not misogynistic? And there is something about different genders that society didn't spew from originally, which comes from a saying my old [B]female[/B] health teacher told everyone. Men are more physical and simple in nature, women are more psychological and emotional in nature. Women like to talk about their day, like to be very social and have lots of friends. Men like to kill things. Women go into great detail when they tell a story. Men get right to the point. Women like to have romantic cuddle sessions and kiss a lot. Men like to fuck things. Men are built to be rough and tough and throw spears into big animals, women are there to be guidance and compassion, a world with just men would be terrible because the emotional aspect would be nearly gone. Yes there are feminine men, and masculine women, but they're far less common. And no I'm not implying women should bow down to men and accept them as their overlords.[/QUOTE] reminds me of the time you gloated about raping a passed out drunk girl on a couch at a party.

[QUOTE=Vasili;41765980]reminds me of the time you gloated about raping a passed out drunk girl on a couch at a party.[/QUOTE] Wow the Personal Skins thread got really weird since I stopped visiting it

[QUOTE=thisispain;41765841]i dont know how this can be said when feminists led the charge for LGBT rights in the 70s id like to think those are mens issues as much as they are women's issues[/QUOTE] Not exactly, they are as much mens as womens but its a mixed interest not just a men right issue. What i mean is they tend to focus on the womens side of an issue (this video basically just goes over the mens issue on gender roles, same as there are issues for men but people tend to only look at the womens issue side of it for example. Although the issues with men being expected to be strong bread winners are becoming more and more a disscusion espevially in science and psychology now. Just as an example)

[QUOTE=Rhenae;41767367]Not exactly, they are as much mens as womens but its a mixed interest not just a men right issue. What i mean is they tend to focus on the womens side of an issue (this video basically just goes over the mens issue on gender roles, same as there are issues for men but people tend to only look at the womens issue side of it for example. Although the issues with men being expected to be strong bread winners are becoming more and more a disscusion espevially in science and psychology now. Just as an example)[/QUOTE] those issues like men being breadwinners have been at the core of feminist discourse from the start lol

[QUOTE=Vasili;41765980]reminds me of the time you gloated about raping a passed out drunk girl on a couch at a party.[/QUOTE] wow i think we've finally found the single most disgusting user in facepunch

[QUOTE=Kopimi;41767686]those issues like men being breadwinners have been at the core of feminist discourse from the start lol[/QUOTE] In a sense of, why cant women be breadwinners too yes, the female perspective but not so much the pressure put on the guy to do that.

It seems to me that the problem with feminism is that people think it's men vs women, instead of masculinity vs femininity.

[QUOTE=Tinter;41770256]It seems to me that the problem with feminism is that people think it's men vs women, instead of masculinity vs femininity.[/QUOTE] Which it also is not about. Not supposed to be about, really.

Ok well I shouldn't have used vs, that was kinda stupid.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;41766449]Wow the Personal Skins thread got really weird since I stopped visiting it[/QUOTE] he used to pretend he was a schizophrenic too, used to use it to justify his belief in the bible.

[QUOTE=Tinter;41770256]It seems to me that the problem with feminism is that people think it's men vs women, instead of masculinity vs femininity.[/QUOTE] Feminism is somewhat about the removal of gender roles. It's not about eradicating sexes or genders but lowering their actual impact on your life. That's not to say there's members on either side of the barricade that disagree with that view and instead considering it a superiority movement of sorts. Sadly the big issue witth these is how vocal they can be.

[QUOTE=Tinter;41770256]It seems to me that the problem with feminism is that people think it's men vs women, instead of masculinity vs femininity.[/QUOTE] More like It seems to me that the problem with feminism is that people think it's men vs women, instead of a fight against gender roles which are everyone's problem.