Do you believe Humanity will be able to solve the Global Warming Crises in time? - General

[QUOTE=IrishBandit;46662968]Yes. Every extinction is a tragedy.[/QUOTE] Are you being sarcastic there? Always had a hard time discerning that on the Internet.

Life has taught me to be a pessimist and considering the prevailing attitude, at least in the United States, that Global Climate Change is science fiction, I predict several far reaching implications. Mass extinction of most of the remaining wildlife, increased use of alternative nonrenewable energy like natural gas, continued exploitation of natural resources, food shortages, water scarcity, declining birthrate, increased infant mortality, decreasing arable land, decreasing coastlines, possible nomadic groups, decreased standard of living for the average person, and an eventual collapse of society for the majority of the human population that cannot afford to control the remaining resources. In other words, planet-wide decay and finality. Happy Holidays!

well the sahara desert forest project could change it, but i doubt world leaders are going to invest in that

[QUOTE=_Axel;46663031]Are you being sarcastic there? Always had a hard time discerning that on the Internet.[/QUOTE] Hes probably not, he's just pointing out how much of a selfish tool and a disgraceful human being you are making yourself out to be. If you want to literally be a form of human cancer, don't speak for everyone else when you do so, we can speak for ourselves.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;46667295]Hes probably not, he's just pointing out how much of a selfish tool and a disgraceful human being you are making yourself out to be. If you want to literally be a form of human cancer, don't speak for everyone else when you do so, we can speak for ourselves.[/QUOTE] you don't have to be so hostile, while i do think we should take care of other species, i'm not going to put a panda bear or something before myself or other humans survival of the fittest bruh

ultimately the tech to solve global warming mostly exists right now, i think at some point we will become desprate enough to start enacting it unilaterally, once the bodies start stacking up, and the levies keep breaking we will move towards fixing the problem with grand solutions, the human population will suffer and we may enter a second "dark age" as a result, while the climate and human population return to pseudo-stability, however unlike any dark age before, the planet will be perminently altered, and much of the earth's biodiversity may be depleated, leaving any post-climatechange society with many more problems than we deal with today. our society and social system today won't survive such a transition, but i have enough faith that our technology is robust enough and our history is so well documented that we won't need to be dug up like the romans, scholars will still be able to access our information and make use of our vast knowledge of the universe, and by then hopefully such a society will be robust and knowledgable enough to commit to deep-space ventures, much like european middle-ages and subsequent near annihilation lead to the exploration period of the 1500's, we are basically approaching a cross-roads in human evolution either we enter a technological singularity, where we are able to shrug off most of the effects of climate change by virtue of transcending biological existence, or we enter a brief period of turmoil where our present society is mutated and rebuilt, we as a species are too damn robust enough to die off, however those that come after us will almost certainly be faced with off-planet colonization to prevent the collapse of the remaining biosphere here while insuring enough room to grow there is a third option though, green technology rapidly outpaces our destructive technologies, we rapidly transition from the destructive fuel sources today to clean energy sources, and once our energy supply is secure, international communities come together and instigate actual global geo-engineering technology to roll back climate change, even if the biodiversity is damaged, it may not be nearly as depleated as it could have been, and we as a society survive, and the earth survives a near ecological-collapse, future generations though will have to walk a fine line balancing human populations with the resources of the planet, and we may not be mature enough as a species to do that, currently today we're not really mature enough for this option since we're still ready to go to full scale war over the most arbitrary of boundries [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=semper solus;46666650]well the sahara desert forest project could change it, but i doubt world leaders are going to invest in that[/QUOTE] the sahara desert is litterally providing dust and top soil for so many countless ecosystems, that to terraform it into a forest would do more damage than global warming has ever done, you can't destroy an eco-system on this planet without it having long term affects elsewhere

[QUOTE=Deathbane;46667295]Hes probably not, he's just pointing out how much of a selfish tool and a disgraceful human being you are making yourself out to be. If you want to literally be a form of human cancer, don't speak for everyone else when you do so, we can speak for ourselves.[/QUOTE] That was quite a hot-tempered response to what I believe was a rather bland statement. Are you genuinely advocating putting inadequate species on life support even if they can't survive in the ecosystem and won't benefit it in any way? It simply makes no sense to have empathy towards an entire species and protect it just because it makes you feel nice. In the events where we need to do so, it's because they're an important piece of their environment and their collapse would bring too important a change in the ecosystem for us to sustain (e.g. bees). In any case, nature doesn't need to be babysat and it certainly doesn't care that you cry yourself to sleep thinking about the dinosaurs disappearing. Species replacing others is a relatively common occurrence in the history of life.

I don't believe it's the problem everyone's making it out to be. I believe we're either going to leave Earth entirely and become a truly spacefaring species or we're going to nuke ourselves into oblivion long before global warming ever rears its ugly head. I can't really see humanity stumbling along long enough for global warming to fuck us in the ass, we're on the verge of either greatness or total annihilation.

Nope. Billions will die by the end of this century. Starvation, disease, war, you name it. Right here, right now, as you sit in front of your computer, we are probably at the peak of human civilization for the forseeable future.

IF your worried about this, your fucked. In all seriousness, some of you been watching to many movies, global warning is just choices we make as lazy humans, energy sources, lifestyles etc, we live in pshychologiacal gluttony. As for survival of the fittest, end times, well if you catch a cold and people like to think of themselves as healthy, but in reality, cold virus affecting you=sick, sick animals die, it's Charles darwin brahs.

In time of what? There won't be a "day after tomorrow" like scenario, things will get worse until there is enough motivation to do the right thing, and then stuff will get better. In the first world we'll most likely never reach a point where there is significant negative impact on day to day life. Even if we'd continue at the current pace, there is sooooo much time to deal with the problems, the expected amount for water to rise if we'd completely melt all perma-frost is around 6 meters. If we continue on the current pace of 2mm a year, we have 3000 years before we actually melt all perma-frost, and raise the sea level by 6 meters. building a 6 meter high hill/wall/dyke/Levee around a massive city doesn't seems like a huge tasks when you have 3000 years to build it. Even if we blow away all expectations and have a century to do it, it would still be a manageable task for a first world country to deal with the rising sea level. Consider The Netherlands for example, where half the country is multiple meters under sea level. Same goes for the increase of temperature that we're seeing right now, between 1880 and 2012 global temperature has increased by ~0.85*C (up to 2*C in certain area's). Its very unlikely we wouldn't learn to be able to deal with a 4.25-10*C temperature increase over the duration of 500 years. We shouldn't ignore global warming, but its very unlikely that any first world county would ever experience significant negative effects even if we end up where expected 10x faster then predicted.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;46452060]I have no doubt we'll survive, but I think the world will get more inhospitable and extreme as time goes on. We have the technology to survive long winters and hot summers. Most likely, as weather patterns shift and the earth heats up, people will start to realize the importance of making green changes. There's no way to reverse the effects we've already caused, but we can slow it and give ourselves time to develop technologies to make a more harsh environment more survivable. Think of how the world would change if the gulf stream collapsed - Britain would have incredibly long, cold winters, and Europe would become far colder than normal. What if the polar vortex remained a near-permanent fixture over the US? For years, cities in the south would struggle to adapt, but we would absolutely adapt. Humans are stupidly adaptable creatures when it comes to the environments we can survive. If people can survive winter in Greenland or Anchorage, people further south can adapt as well. Rising sea levels can be held back with clever engineering, just look at the Netherlands. Really, at the rate shit is changing, humans will have plenty of time to adapt. The real issue will be how we're able to cope with weather patterns that we've never seen before. If El Nino goes haywire, we won't know what to expect in time to prepare areas at risk. Snowstorms in Arizona, record heat in typically colder climates, all of that will absolutely kill under-prepared people. It's scary.[/QUOTE] by that time it would have been too late

Yeah, I think I can manage turning the aircon down a few degrees.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46452598]I think worst case scenario, the ice caps melt and the oceans rise, most cities will slowly be rebuilt a few miles inland as coast crawls toward them, some minorly effected cities may opt to build dirt walls around themselves instead. In other areas, mass swaths of land will be abandoned completely as they become submerged, all of Florida will be taken by the sea. Mass extinctions cause the ecosystem to go wild, causing starvation and death of human and animal alike. Mass amounts of people will live in poverty as a long lasting economic depression grips society as a result of food, water, and energy shortages. Much of society will be unhappy and riots may be frequent, military rule may be enacted in some places. Some parts of the equator will become uninhabitable in summer time, but will likely be used as retreats in winter for wealthy families seeking to avoid the sharp bitter cold that grips the northern regions. We'll survive, but it won't be pretty.[/QUOTE] Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't get why people think the oceans will rise. The water level is already displaced by the glaciers weight, and the glaciers aren't even all ice. There is plenty oxygen and other things adding to that weight. If they were to melt, wouldn't the ocean level sink slightly? I understand I could be wrong, but I'm basing this off of the fact that when you melt a perfect(no air bubbles) icecube in a glass, the water level doesn't rise, it doesn't even move.

Ice caps melt. It's a natural process that happens over time no matter what. Then they build back up.

[QUOTE=Sableye;46671381]ultimately the tech to solve global warming mostly exists right now[/QUOTE] The technology for so many different things exists and works but it's just that it's been suppressed. I mean I guarantee we already know how to use anti-gravity propulsion. You guys should look up Agenda 21(what the tinfoil-hat crazies dub "The New World Order" or "Rapture" -_-), it's all about global sustainability and making humanity into a sustainable society where we don't need to destroy the planet for technological or civil advancement. If you read the georgia guidestones, some of the guidelines are: Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. and Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature. The NWO or Agenda 21 is going to filter out all the criminal, mentally insane, unintelligent and/or rebellious, homeless and the poor as a start, then all the suppressed technology will most likely be unsuppressed and used regularly in the new society.