[QUOTE=Hauptmann;50740537]Sadly the german scout is black. Tbh black german soldiers have no place in the Western Front. They never was any german colonial troop in Europe.
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutztruppe[/url][/QUOTE]
Oh please, if you're going to complain about that, you should also be complaining about how apprently 1/4th of the German Army was using a Mexican rifle of which only 3600 weapons were ever made and never even actually made it past testing for the German Army. Considering that, Black German soldiers that were actually a part of the German Army (even if a colonial force) is at least a bit more historical.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50742556]Oh please, if you're going to complain about that, you should also be complaining about how apprently 1/4th of the German Army was using a Mexican rifle of which only 3600 weapons were ever made and never even actually made it past testing for the German Army. Considering that, Black German soldiers that were actually a part of the German Army (even if a colonial force) is at least a bit more historical.[/QUOTE]
Except only two black soldiers served in the Germany army on the western front...
Their were a lot of black soldiers in the French foreign legion though.
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;50736705]British scout is ANZAC.[/QUOTE]
Doubt it. What appears to be a KFF's (Slouch hat) brim is upturned on the wrong side, no corps badge, no unit flash, no Rising Sun badge, no puggaree and the shape of the crown is off.
That and we only wear Grade 1 KFF's for ceremonial/dress purposes. Grade 2 KFF's (Field slouch hat) the brim is entirely not upturned so the brim protects you from the sun.
So either they are horribly inaccurate with Australian uniforms or he's from some other colony.
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;50742924]Except only two black soldiers served in the Germany army on the western front...[/QUOTE]
Yes, a rifle being used by the medic class that was never even actually used by the German Army is more historically accurate than black guys fighting in the German Army, which there were many of in the colonial force and even 2 in the mainland army. Seriously, this game is more of a WWI themed game with only a very minor focus on historical accuracy. Unless you're willing to critize it for it's lack of authenticity on the whole, don't try to pin a couple things down.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50743013]Yes, a rifle being used by the medic class that was never even actually used by the German Army is more historically accurate than black guys fighting in the German Army, which there were many of in the colonial force and even 2 in the mainland army. Seriously, this game is more of a WWI themed game with only a very minor focus on historical accuracy. Unless you're willing to critize it for it's lack of authenticity on the whole, don't try to pin a couple things down.[/QUOTE]
Except that's what we're doing we're specifying the details that make it a inauthentic experience. It's certainly better than making a blanket statement of just 'It's not authentic' and leaving it at that.
Nobody that's criticizing these details believes Battlefield 1 is a authentic game (especially not Hauptman). So I don't know where this vaguely accusatory attitude from you is coming from.
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;50743032]Except that's what we're doing we're specifying the details that make it a inauthentic experience. It's certainly better than making a blanket statement of just 'It's inathentic' ad leaving it at that.
Nobody that's criticizing these details believes Battlefield 1 is a authentic game (especially not Hauptman). So I don't know where this vaguely accusatory attitude from you is coming from.[/QUOTE]
Then you (and Hauptman) should be mentioning how inaccurate this game is on a whole as well. Picking out specific details like that, especially ones so politically disputed, without mentioning the bigger picture just makes it seem like you're pushing an agenda, be it political or otherwise.
And as for my accusatory tone, I'm just really really sick of people thinking this game being anywhere close to being historically accurate. It's not, not even close, and suggesting it even unintentionally irks me and, when it seems you're using it to push a specific agenda, pisses me the fuck off.
Are you implying we're pushing a anti-black agenda? If so wow man. It's not political to say a minuscule irrelevant percentage of the Imperial German forces in France during WW1 were black it's fact.
I also already stated one of the nations that did have noteworthy amount of black soldiers; France and the French Foreign Legion, Senegalese Tirailleurs and the rest of the "French African Army" what of course did fight in France. In fact I'm pretty sure the first Black flying ace was a African-American member of the French Foreign Legion. So in no way am I trying to imply that Black soldiers in WW1 didn't play a meaningful part.
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;50743124]Are you implying we're pushing a anti-black agenda? If so wow man. It's not political to say a minuscule irrelevant percentage of the Imperial German forces in France during WW1 it's fact.
I also already stated one of the nations that did have noteworthy amount of black soldiers the French Foreign Legion, what did fight in France, in fact I'm pretty sure the first Black flying ace was a African-American member of the French Foreign Legion. So in no way am I trying to imply that Black soldiers in WW1 didn't play a meaningful part.[/QUOTE]
*sigh* How did I know this would happen?
Yes I am assuming that Hauptman is "anti-black" because of the way the original message was phrased ("[B]Sadly[/B] the german scout is black."). The problem I have with it isn't necessarily the fact that he's "anti-black" and more so that if he is, he's pushing it by trying to use "historical accuracy" which is completely bullshit because there is no historical accuracy in this game. If this game did adhere to historical accuracy, I'd have no problem with it because you're right, literally only 2 German soldiers that served on the Western Front were black, but this game isn't and thus doesn't need to adhere historically. This isn't a political issue, more that someone may be pushing an issue politically by bullshit means.
Honestly I feel like seeing that post and jumping automatically to Hauptmann is racist is quite a stretch. And I can tell you he's not (I know him somewhat personally), he's just a WW1/WW2 nerd and with that being said knows way more about minorities in the German Military than either of us.
But whatever really no harm done I'm glad you actually explained your reasoning rather than attack the person and hyperbole like some other people on this forum do.
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;50743162]Honestly I feel like seeing that message and jumping automatically to Hauptmann is racist is quite a stretch and somewhat touchy.
But whatever really no harm done I'm glad you actually explained your reasoning rather than attack the person and not the argument and hyperbole like some other people on this forum do.[/QUOTE]
Just so you know I'm not automatically assuming that he is racist or something like that, it's just that a lot of people on Facepunch have seemed to subscribe to the alt-right recently, and thus in order for people to not get the wrong idea, I had to mention it anyway. Like I said, my issue with this isn't from a political standpoint but one from historical accuracy.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50743155]*sigh* How did I know this would happen?
Yes I am assuming that Hauptman is "anti-black" because of the way the original message was phrased ("[B]Sadly[/B] the german scout is black."). The problem I have with it isn't necessarily the fact that he's "anti-black" and more so that if he is, he's pushing it by trying to use "historical accuracy" which is completely bullshit because there is no historical accuracy in this game. If this game did adhere to historical accuracy, I'd have no problem with it because you're right, literally only 2 German soldiers that served on the Western Front were black, but this game isn't and thus doesn't need to adhere historically. This isn't a political issue, more that someone may be pushing an issue politically by bullshit means.[/QUOTE]
So in a thread where the main topic of discussion has been authenticity, you interpret someone complaining about the race of a German soldier being inaccurate as him being a black hater?
This isn't a BLM thread in SH, man. There's no need to be paranoid about this sort of thing.
[QUOTE=_Axel;50743215]So in a thread where the main topic of discussion has been authenticity, you interpret someone complaining about the race of a German soldier being inaccurate as him being a black hater?
This isn't a BLM thread in SH, man. There's no need to be paranoid about this sort of thing.[/QUOTE]
Look can we please just get away from this? I only mentioned it offhand on the slim chance that he was talking about it from that perspective, even though he likely isn't. I know he is probably isn't and thus I only tried to just mention it to be safe but look how that turned out. It hasn't helped that I've been trying to explain all this at 3 AM. So can we just stop and get back on track?
oh boy this video sure does show how bf1 is a pretty vidya game huh guys
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;50742924]
Doubt it. What appears to be a KFF's (Slouch hat) brim is upturned on the wrong side, no corps badge, no unit flash, no Rising Sun badge, no puggaree and the shape of the crown is off.
That and we only wear Grade 1 KFF's for ceremonial/dress purposes. Grade 2 KFF's (Field slouch hat) the brim is entirely not upturned so the brim protects you from the sun.
So either they are horribly inaccurate with Australian uniforms or he's from some other colony.[/QUOTE]
I don't remember the Battlefield series ever having accurate uniforms so yeah
Another question is where the fuck is the Imperial Russian army, but no one but me cares it seemes.
In BF3 and BF4, the soldier uniforms were extremely well researched and authentic. So much so that they feature a huge amount of purely cosmetic IR strobe emitters, ammo pouches, knife sheaths, holsters, belts, netting and straps that don't reflect the character's actual in-game attributes.
Welp, Battlefield one, or EA when it comes to Historical games, rarely get their visuals correct, just look at Medal of Honor airborne, you got an alegmeine raising hell on earth with his oh so powerfull MG42, and with how BF4 turned out, it is pretty expected that Dice would of course alternate BF1, and unlike BF1942 would not keep it's accuracy on, if you look at BF1942, you got soldiers with propper guns, German soldiers with K98s and U.S soldiers with Garands, because their class had limitations on weaponries, ( i love this old system btw, it whats make me love BF),BF4 itself in entirety is not accurate, as LevelcapGaming mentioned, now i am not surprised at all that they would get things innacurate, such as the uniforms, 1914 tunics and a mixture of 1916 assets, however what really does surprise me is that they went to the point where they make up stuff that is NOT real. that's absolutely way beyond, ever since BF4s new DLC that added the railgun, Dice has not been hesitating to make some fictional concept based on Historical assets or modern assets, which trully worries me. overall i do not like what they are doing to BF1, it's definately historical innacurate, and the game is more casual than how it's imagined.
Also, those middle east or African scenes of the trailers,
those are NOT german soldeirs, those are infact turkish soldiers
Turkish soldiers partaken in the middle east,
one of the battles i remember was Beersheba, but theres more than that.
Turkish soldiers on horsebacks with an Agal or a Keffiyeh headwrap,
Also to answer some of the questions regarding Japan not being added in BF1, i'll have you know that,
The Japanese involvement in WWI had very lesser details,
Japan was under Emperor Taisho which was the son of Emperor Meiji
The Japanese army sieged the Qingdao province which at that time was under The German Empire's occupation, which succeded 1915,
then in 1918, Japanese troops were sent to Siberia to join the Expedition Forces that was aiding the Russian Empire fighting the Bolsheviks,
and the Japanese stayed there for awhile fighting off the Bolsheviks, untill the end of The War.
in 1920 Massacre occured towards Japanese civilians in Russia Far East during the stages of the Red October Revolution
which was called the Nikolayevsk incident or Nike Jinken in Japanese.
[QUOTE=Araknid;50744516]I don't remember the Battlefield series ever having accurate uniforms so yeah[/QUOTE]
My main issue is that what some think is a KFF looks nothing like a KFF (other than the upturned brim). What considering they 3D scan the uniforms and such, that it actually isn't a KFF and the British scout isn't actually Australian.
I am very positive that they didn't use photogrammetry on BF1, if they did, their Stahlhelm M1916 wouldn't look terrible on the back, and that their MP18 doesnt look cartoonish
Some parts of the video could easily be mistaken for a real photo/a movie
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/vJnl83V.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Jund;50740036]reflection techniques aren't new but these are the most realistic water reflections i've ever seen in a game
their method is a bit more complex than simply mirroring what's on the screen
[url]http://www.frostbite.com/2015/08/stochastic-screen-space-reflections/[/url][/QUOTE]
yeah I quit
[img]http://i.imgur.com/fnF3Bef.png[/img]
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