The argument has kind of moved away from Juliana Wetmore type disabilities to Terry whatever her name was type vegetative-states.
I did research and it states that brain-dead people are, in fact, [B]legally[/B] dead. Meaning they are dead under the law. People who are saying it's a dead mass of cells, vegetable, whatever ae somewhat right.
That is all.
[QUOTE=AmericanInfantry;17722966]I did research and it states that brain-dead people are, in fact, [B]legally[/B] dead. Meaning they are dead under the law. People who are saying it's a dead mass of cells, vegetable, whatever ae somewhat right.
That is all.[/QUOTE]
That isn't true. In this thread when they say 'brain-dead' they mean PVS.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17719290]No, its only why suicide should be made legal. If the child doesn't want to die, shouldn't be killed.[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly sure if you kill yourself, the government can' touch you. And I believe the penalty for failed suicide is death :v:
Thanks for ripping off my post from 4chan a couple days ago topic creator, i made the image and posted the following text which you modified....think of some original content next time n00b
Go back to your parents basement and at least credit others writing.
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let me start off by saying this is NOT a troll.
You know what really pisses me off? How a parent could keep something like this alive and think the child could ever be happy. What pisses me off even more is when idiots say some stupid shit like "that girl is more happier than you will ever be" like you should be blessed to be alive or some shit.
The REALITY? The kid will NEVER be happy, she cant even breathe or eat normally and will constantly need to be taken care of her entire life and be a burden.
The TRUTH? Because her father is in the military, YOUR hard earned American tax dollars have been in excess of 3,000,000 in medical bills for surgeries and continue to increase. She has had over a dozen surgeries and will never look normal....which brings me to my next subject.
She will never find a man and be happy, idiots will argue by saying some shit like "looks arent everything, you are just shallow and superficial". What REALLY is the truth is that looks do matter to a degree, there is a scale of beauty but there is no way she is close to even being normal. She will never be able to have a normal relationship and have kids.
the worst part of it all is that the parents were so selfish and knew she was going to be born that way but chose NOT to have an abortion. Why would you have a kid that would be put through such hardships? Some moron out there will say something like "you dont know a parents love", but its not love-its selfishness to think that you have the right to bring any kind of kid into this world.
It also pisses me off how people say things like "she is strong", or "she is such an angel", when she is clearly not, and the fact is NOBODY would want to look like that or deal with the BS associated with living like that.
I know that beyond doubt this happened as a result of the mother waiting so long to have a child, and that after about 25, the chances of being born with mental or physical problems increases exponentially.
What do you guys think of her?
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You made an account just to post some shit that nobody cares about?
Awesome, dude. You're so cool.
It's text on a forum. We don't care about its origin, we care about discussing its content.
Well i live in my parents basement, i have nothing better to do to be honest....
Its actually quite sad someone has to resort to copying what someone else said as their own....its like those people that repeat stories they heard and use them as their own because they have aspergers and ADD and no social experiences to call their own....it says a lot about the person.
[QUOTE=RipOff;17733173]Well i live in my parents basement, i have nothing better to do to be honest....[/quote][quote=RipOff]
no social experiences to call their own[/QUOTE]
What was that?
You can reread what i said, and if you thought the basement thing was real, you need to get out more-get out of your parents basement.
Semi/related.
[B]The wonders of Agent Orange![/B]
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IMO, births that are that defected should be terminated before the fetus reaches a point where it's a complex being. It's awful to leave horribly deformed children alive.
use it as a football, make SOMETHING useful out of it.
[QUOTE=RipOff;17733173]Well i live in my parents basement, i have nothing better to do to be honest....
Its actually quite sad someone has to resort to copying what someone else said as their own....its like those people that repeat stories they heard and use them as their own because they have aspergers and ADD and no social experiences to call their own....it says a lot about the person.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't, really.
In fact, you should have been flattered that he used your material. When he did, it meant that he agreed with you so thoroughly that he felt every single word you typed and saw no reason to make any major modifications. It meant that your material was so well-written and well-spoken (in his opinion) that it was just as good as words from his own hand.
Regardless of whether or not you had typed it, he probably would have made the thread anyway. Rather than being an idiot, you should be happy that you were at least able to contribute. You should stick around and discuss the issue on the forum and become a productive member of this community, rather than being a twat claiming credit for something that no-one cares about.
I don't think we should discuss this further, because doing so will derail the thread. And since you helped to create it, I'm sure you wouldn't want that.
[QUOTE=RipOff;17733300]You can reread what i said, and if you thought the basement thing was real, you need to get out more-get out of your parents basement.[/QUOTE]
Quit trolling and stop posting useless, irrelevant information.
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[QUOTE=hypno-toad;17733304]Semi/related.
[B]The wonders of Agent Orange![/B]
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IMO, births that are that defected should be terminated before the fetus reaches a point where it's a complex being. It's awful to leave horribly deformed children alive.[/QUOTE]
Wow, that stuffs really messes the body up.
wait are we talking about really fucked up kids or down syndrome kids ?
Something philosophical to think of. As far as the brain dead is concerned, you can also take a look at in this way; If the brain is the persons "self", the "soul" in other words (in what I will refer to as the "Brain soul"), then being brain dead means there "self" no longer exists, if it ever did at all. They really would be nothing but a bag of meat at that point.
Then of course there is the other, being the belief of the "soul" that is just within us (in what I will refer to as the "Entire soul"), thus the person still "exists" but is unable to do anything, or even comprehend what that is, even be self-aware.
Personally I think many of the people that are avid defenders of keeping brain dead people alive, believe, at least on a sub-conscious level, in the "Entire soul".
Whereas on the other-side, they believe in the "Brain soul".
Note: I'm not trying to sway anyone, merely thinking aloud.
[QUOTE=Axznma;17733658]Something philosophical to think of. As far as the brain dead is concerned, you can also take a look at in this way; If the brain is the persons "self", the "soul" in other words (in what I will refer to as the "Brain soul"), then being brain dead means there "self" no longer exists, if it ever did at all. They really would be nothing but a bag of meat at that point.
Then of course there is the other, being the belief of the "soul" that is just within us (in what I will refer to as the "Entire soul"), thus the person still "exists" but is unable to do anything, or even comprehend what that is, even be self-aware.
Personally I think many of the people that are avid defenders of keeping brain dead people alive, believe, at least on a sub-conscious level, in the "Entire soul".
Whereas on the other-side, they believe in the "Brain soul".
Note: I'm not trying to sway anyone, merely thinking aloud.[/QUOTE]
What if you're a logical, rational person, and you don't believe in a soul at all, and understand the scientific fact that everything that occurs in the mind is simply the result of various electrical and chemical processes?
I'm only half-joking here. I mean, I understand where you're coming from, and I see your point, but the truth of the matter is that both sides of that are fundamentally wrong.
[QUOTE=J Paul;17733321]It doesn't, really.
In fact, you should have been flattered that he used your material. When he did, it meant that he agreed with you so thoroughly that he felt every single word you typed and saw no reason to make any major modifications. It meant that your material was so well-written and well-spoken (in his opinion) that it was just as good as words from his own hand.
Regardless of whether or not you had typed it, he probably would have made the thread anyway. Rather than being an idiot, you should be happy that you were at least able to contribute. You should stick around and discuss the issue on the forum and become a productive member of this community, rather than being a twat claiming credit for something that no-one cares about.
I don't think we should discuss this further, because doing so will derail the thread. And since you helped to create it, I'm sure you wouldn't want that.[/QUOTE]
I have a lot of anger thats why i wrote it, not sure if you guys take kindly to angry threads like that.
[QUOTE=J Paul;17733712]What if you're a logical, rational person, and you don't believe in a soul at all, and understand the scientific fact that everything that occurs in the mind is simply the result of various electrical and chemical processes?
I'm only half-joking here. I mean, I understand where you're coming from, and I see your point, but the truth of the matter is that both sides of that are fundamentally wrong.[/QUOTE]
Well science has no explanation for our "self" still, they can possibly explain how it works, but we still don't know what our "self" is. I'm a neutralist, so I couldn't give less of a shit if it's either of those or something else.
And they are only wrong if you do not believe in religion at all (which is perfectly fine with me), if you do, even a slight bit, then you can accept it (either one) as a possibility.
Like I said, I'm open for any of them, as I don't really care.
I was merely thinking aloud about the subject.
I agree, although I feel like an asshole and not an asshole at the same time. I don't think anyone should have to go through life like that. If anything it just seems like selfishness of the parents.
[QUOTE=RipOff;17733871]I have a lot of anger thats why i wrote it, not sure if you guys take kindly to angry threads like that.[/QUOTE]
Why not try to just chill and direct the energy behind that anger into constructive threads that could make for good discussion?
You obviously don't have to, but I think it's a good suggestion. It would make for a better and more constructive outlet than trolling on the internet. This is coming from a fellow troll, so obviously I can't tell you to stop trolling altogether, but at least leave the trolling for 4chan, because it's much better there anyway.
[QUOTE=RipOff;17733871]I have a lot of anger thats why i wrote it, not sure if you guys take kindly to angry threads like that.[/QUOTE]
Yes, because you say you're the OP, it makes you the OP. Obviously
[QUOTE=J Paul;17732835]You made an account just to post some shit that nobody cares about?
Awesome, dude. You're so cool.
It's text on a forum. We don't care about its origin, we care about discussing its content.[/QUOTE]
he wanted those agrees
OP has obviously never played even the short term role of a parental figure and I would bet any money is an only child with nobody to try to raise as best they can. If you've ever had anything that was like a child to you, you know that from the day you got it you would never be able to kill it even if it was severely fucked up. And who are you to say who can and cannot be happy? There's a bunch of pretty physically defective kids in my school, one who walks like that gun robot from robocop and looks like he's been scrunched up, and they are all good people with full happy lives. In conclusion, you seem to have never been a parent figure or met anyone with a disability of this kind in your life. Good day to you sir.
[QUOTE=trent_roolz;17734138]OP has obviously never played even the short term role of a parental figure and I would bet any money is an only child with nobody to try to raise as best they can. If you've ever had anything that was like a child to you, you know that from the day you got it you would never be able to kill it even if it was severely fucked up. And who are you to say who can and cannot be happy? There's a bunch of pretty physically defective kids in my school, one who walks like that gun robot from robocop and looks like he's been scrunched up, and they are all good people with full happy lives. In conclusion, you seem to have never been a parent figure or met anyone with a disability of this kind in your life. Good day to you sir.[/QUOTE]
I have 2 sisters and have had to take care of them on occassion. I've met lots of retarded people either it be at school or work. Good day to you sir.
[QUOTE=trent_roolz;17734138]OP has obviously never played even the short term role of a parental figure and I would bet any money is an only child with nobody to try to raise as best they can. If you've ever had anything that was like a child to you, you know that from the day you got it you would never be able to kill it even if it was severely fucked up. And who are you to say who can and cannot be happy? There's a bunch of pretty physically defective kids in my school, one who walks like that gun robot from robocop and looks like he's been scrunched up, and they are all good people with full happy lives. In conclusion, you seem to have never been a parent figure or met anyone with a disability of this kind in your life. Good day to you sir.[/QUOTE]
Again, wrong disabilities. Those are cosmetic at best, and as long as they can cope with it and still learn to move and everything, they're perfectly fine. We're talking about people of extremely (and I mean EXTREMELY) limited mental capacity, or those who require constant life support and major reconstructive surgery just to function.
I have been in the role of a parent before. I don't feel like relating my entire experience in detail but suffice it to say my brother isn't a very good father. Anyway, yes, if there was something extremely wrong with my wonderful little nephew that caused him to have to be hooked up to life support 24/7 or to be incredibly deformed and require constant assistance of another kind, or if he was tremendously mentally handicapped, to the point at which he had the mental capacity of a chicken, then I would rather he not live at all.
Its still weird but you shoulden't just kill a human being even if it is like that.
Thats just wrong and fucked up.
[QUOTE=ACupXOfXNoodles;17735335]Its still weird but you shoulden't just kill a human being even if it is like that.
Thats just wrong and fucked up.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean you [I]shouldn't[/I] kill them? You do realize that killing them is as simple as unhooking them from a fucking machine, you know, how they're supposed to be anyway.
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