[QUOTE=NixNax123;17702068][b][u]people who can't reproduce should die[/u][/b]
/my heartless rant[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because it's not like we don't already have 7 billion people on the planet.
If I had a child, I think I would definitely opt to have it humanely put to rest... Kind of like putting your dog down. I mean all that child is going to do is suffer through its life, probably not live that long, and be an emotional, physical, and economical toll on me and my family. Letting it drift off to sleep and not wake up from lethal injection would be the most peaceful thing that baby would ever experience. When I was ready, I would try to have a kid again.
[QUOTE=J Paul;17714363]People need to stop steering completely away from the actual issue at hand here.
It's not about deciding that someone's quality of life is going to be worse. You can't do that. If we started doing that, we'd be executing the poor, or limiting their reproduction in some way.
What we're talking about in this thread is a baby born with such a severe defect or disorder that they simply cannot live by natural means. If your child needs major reconstructive surgery and constant life support to live, that's just nature trying to tell you that it shouldn't be alive.[/quote] We shouldn't become beasts to our nature, technology was made with the intention of bettering/prolonging our lives, we should use it as such.
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Dismissing children born without lungs, fully functioning brains, or anything else that would severely detract from their overall quality of life and leave them in a condition that isn't sustainable without constant life support and the direct care of others, isn't a bad thing at all. In fact, it's generally for the best. It is a completely different ball game from determining quality of life based on potential environment and projected upbringing.[/QUOTE]No, it is exactly the same thing. Every child has to deal with the cards they are dealt. To some, being brought up in a love-less orphanage where they get sexually abused is considered wrong, just as to you lot being brought up brain-dead or missing lungs is considered wrong. The situations are the same, the only difference is one's struggle is internal with their body, and the other is external with society. If the parent wants their child to live, I see nothing wrong with that. If the child chooses to die by themselves later in life, there is nothing wrong with that also.
[QUOTE=Hemroid_Man;17714111]I think you are misunderstanding. African children atleast have a life.
They get on with their fellow africans. Just because they might not have good access to water and medical facilities doesn't mean that they live in a hell zone ( Excluding Zimbabweans , of course).[/quote] Deformed children still get along with their parents and their fellow deformed children. Just because you aren't given lungs or required body parts doesn't mean you have a poor quality of life.
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Let's stop. Would you rather live through life , getting looked down by at people , not being normal , not having many friends , not having the same intelligence , [b] not getting laid [/b] , probably not getting a wife , not getting children, not getting normal job oppurtinities. Not getting a normal treatment.
Would you go through all that torment , when you could just stop it all?[/quote] Maybe not, but it should be my choice if I want to live or die, not someone elses.
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Think of it as a pet.
Your pet has got seriously Ill? The humane way is to put it to sleep - or else it'll probably be constantly suffering and probably will never be the same again.
The same basis applies.[/QUOTE]
What about children with aids or leukemia? Or how about swine flu? Your dog can get better, the chances are that they won't. Children can get better, but chances are they won't.
Honestly, most of the things people are saying about that girl are terrible. It just might have been okay, by some degree, to terminate her when she was a baby, but by now it is definitely unacceptable. She has gained full mental functionality and ability for cognitive thought, but she still can't do anything about it.
Show some sympathy.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17715037]We shouldn't become beasts to our nature, technology was made with the intention of bettering/prolonging our lives, we should use it as such.[/QUOTE]
i wouldnt call a man living longer, not doing anything but sucking up our tax money, any better. I mean fuck, if there's a chance if he can come back, sure let him stay on it, but brain dead is [b] BRAIN DEAD [/b].
[QUOTE=Neolk;17715037]No, it is exactly the same thing. Every child has to deal with the cards they are dealt. To some, being brought up in a love-less orphanage where they get sexually abused is considered wrong, just as to you lot being brought up brain-dead or missing lungs is considered wrong. The situations are the same, the only difference is one's struggle is internal with their body, and the other is external with society. If the parent wants their child to live, I see nothing wrong with that. If the child chooses to die by themselves later in life, there is nothing wrong with that also. [/QUOTE]
No, it's not the same fucking thing. What's wrong with you? The kids in the orphanage has the opportunity to [b]do[/b]. Contribute to the society, make medicine, breakthrough technology, and etc. there's been tons of cases of these orphanages turned hero.
What the fuck is a brain dead kid gonna do? [B] NOTING. IT'S DEAD. IT'S GOING TO CONTINUOUSLY WASTE MY TAX MONEY TILL THE DISILLUSIONED PARENTS WAKE UP. IT'S MY MONEY [/b].
Here's the difference because you don't get it:
[B] DEAD [/B]
[img]http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/050615/nn_potter_schiavo_050615.300w.jpg[/img]
[b] ALIVE OR WAS, BUT HE WAS AN ORPHAN[/b]
[img]http://bikyamasr.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/andrew-jackson.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Neolk;17715037]Deformed children still get along with their parents and their fellow deformed children. Just because you aren't given lungs or required body parts doesn't mean you have a poor quality of life.
Maybe not, but it should be my choice if I want to live or die, not someone elses.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Neolk;17715037]What about children with aids or leukemia? Or how about swine flu? Your dog can get better, the chances are that they won't. Children can get better, but chances are they won't.[/QUOTE]
There's several things people with aids or leukemia can do, all the brain dead can do is lie there.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;17715858]i wouldnt call a man living longer, not doing anything but sucking up our tax money, any better. I mean fuck, if there's a chance if he can come back, sure let him stay on it, but brain dead is [b] BRAIN DEAD [/b].
[/quote] You shouldn't get a say in the matter. Besides, technology in the future may be able to revert the issues.
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No, it's not the same fucking thing. What's wrong with you? The kids in the orphanage has the opportunity to [b]do[/b]. Contribute to the society, make medicine, breakthrough technology, and etc. there's been tons of cases of these orphanages turned hero.[/quote] They also have the opportunity to rape and murder and kill. At least with 'brain-dead' as you say they aren't hurting anyone. Those in the orphanages may turn to a life of crime, continuing a vicious cycle.
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What the fuck is a brain dead kid gonna do? [B] NOTING. IT'S DEAD. IT'S GOING TO CONTINUOUSLY WASTE MY TAX MONEY TILL THE DISILLUSIONED PARENTS WAKE UP. IT'S MY MONEY [/b].[/quote] And its THEIR FUCKING CHILD, and its the CHILD'S FUCKING LIFE. Your monetary regret is meaningless, it is just fucking paper. You'd be snuffing out a living being.
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There's several things people with aids or leukemia can do, all the brain dead can do is lie there.[/QUOTE]
Terminal cased children lay in bed, they are often unable to get up. Let's get rid of their lives, after all, you are wasting your tax dollars on them too right?
god damn it I feel like such a dick, for some reason I can't stop laughing at that girl
seriously i'm worried about myself
[QUOTE=Neolk;17716118]You shouldn't get a say in the matter. Besides, technology in the future may be able to revert the issues.
They also have the opportunity to rape and murder and kill. At least with 'brain-dead' as you say they aren't hurting anyone. Those in the orphanages may turn to a life of crime, continuing a vicious cycle.
And its THEIR FUCKING CHILD, and its the CHILD'S FUCKING LIFE. Your monetary regret is meaningless, it is just fucking paper. You'd be snuffing out a living being.
Terminal cased children lay in bed, they are often unable to get up. Let's get rid of their lives, after all, you are wasting your tax dollars on them too right?[/QUOTE]
Yes I should, it's my money their wasting. And we hadn't had breakthrough in years, we haven't even cured the common cold yet.
So? They also have the opportunity to be successful like I said. The kids ARE hurting people. They're taking funds and rooms away for people who actually needs them.
[B] THE CHILD IS NOT ALIVE. IT'S DEAD.
DEE
YEE
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DEE
DEAD.[/B]
It's not a living being, it's a dead brain being.
And once you again, you confuse things.
Terminal ill kids who has brains ARE ALIVE. [B]ALIVE[/B].
Brain dead kids are [B]DEAD[/B].
They should have a gladiator arena for retards to fight.
But seriously, their numbers are growing... higher than ever before, or they were simply killed in the older times.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17716118]-stupid talk about how we shouldn't play god blah blah blah every life is unique and special-[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17716316]They should have a gladiator arena for retards to fight.[/QUOTE]
Best idea I've heard today.
[QUOTE=OutOfExile;17716322]-Really clever 'hai guyz, respond with emote on a seriouz issue, im so boss. HEY MOM, LOOK! LOOK HOW BOSS I AM!-[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;17716241]Yes I should, it's my money their wasting. And we hadn't had breakthrough in years, we haven't even cured the common cold yet.
So? They also have the opportunity to be successful like I said. The kids ARE hurting people. They're taking funds and rooms away for people who actually needs them.[/quote]
The children aren't doing ANYTHING, they are hurting no one. They aren't taking funds away from anyone. Either 1.) The parents are paying for the kids, or 2.) It is coming from a pre-determined budget that the government set aside. And even if it DID mean they were taking your money, it isn't a WASTE. They are living and fucking breathing.
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It's not a living being, it's a dead brain being.[/quote] If it is breathing then it is living. Just because it can't respond doesn't mean it isn't alive. If someone doesn't have a voice, we give them one, we don't shun them to the trash bins of society to die. Put them out of sight, tell them, "Sorry you got dealt a bad hand Jimmy."
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Terminal ill kids who has brains ARE ALIVE. [B]ALIVE[/B].
Brain dead kids are [B]DEAD[/B].[/QUOTE]
Their ability to not-respond doesn't mean they aren't dead. The only differance between terminal kids are 'brain dead' kids, in the long run, is their ability to speak. Brain-dead children don't get the cute little video on the news. Brain death is not the death of a human being.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17716471] Brain death is not the death of a human being.[/QUOTE]
okay, i got to go, bye.
[img]http://www.roflsaurus.com/users/Hammertime/wat.jpg[/img]
D'awww, don't you just want to hug it? :3:
Brain dead beings aren't technically alive, since without medical help, cannot even use basic functions like breathing.
[QUOTE=samframpton;17712644]As much as the Op's and most of the poster's points are valid, imagine being in that situation. You have been waiting 9 months for a child, and when that child finally comes it has a horrible deformity, and with maternal instincts and what not it would be so hard. I'd like to think I would have the strength to say "This is not a life worth living" But you have to admit, saying "okay then, kill my child" must be one of the hardest things anyone could do.[/QUOTE]
I would substitute it with a brand new cute puppy.
I see these kids and I literally begin to brim with hate and anger. I see them and think "my God, what selfish fuckhead would put their child through pain of hell so that he or she can live a goddamned 'normal' life filled forever with torment and pain."
Sure, these kids have their good moments, moments where they feel normal, but when they finally act normal, they're treated as goddamned superstars. I wouldn't put my child through that, it would simply be too cruel.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;17715858]i wouldnt call a man living longer, not doing anything but sucking up our tax money, any better. I mean fuck, if there's a chance if he can come back, sure let him stay on it, but brain dead is [b] BRAIN DEAD [/b].
No, it's not the same fucking thing. What's wrong with you? The kids in the orphanage has the opportunity to [b]do[/b]. Contribute to the society, make medicine, breakthrough technology, and etc. there's been tons of cases of these orphanages turned hero.
What the fuck is a brain dead kid gonna do? [B] NOTING. IT'S DEAD. IT'S GOING TO CONTINUOUSLY WASTE MY TAX MONEY TILL THE DISILLUSIONED PARENTS WAKE UP. IT'S MY MONEY [/b].
Here's the difference because you don't get it:
[B] DEAD [/B]
[img]http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/050615/nn_potter_schiavo_050615.300w.jpg[/img]
[b] ALIVE OR WAS, BUT HE WAS AN ORPHAN[/b]
[img]http://bikyamasr.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/andrew-jackson.jpg[/img]
There's several things people with aids or leukemia can do, all the brain dead can do is lie there.[/QUOTE]
I said she has full functioning mental capacity.
[insert idiotic and blunt attempt at trying to be smart]
If I have a kid like this, Ill be the one pulling the trigger.
[QUOTE=CanibalMonke;17716888]Brain dead beings aren't technically alive, since without medical help, cannot even use basic functions like breathing.[/QUOTE]
Emperor Penguins would die if the species didn't place the eggs on their feet and cover it with their fat.
[QUOTE=SantanaDVX;17717147]I see these kids and I literally begin to brim with hate and anger. I see them and think "my God, what selfish fuckhead would put their child through pain of hell so that he or she can live a goddamned 'normal' life filled forever with torment and pain."
Sure, these kids have their good moments, moments where they feel normal, but when they finally act normal, they're treated as goddamned superstars. I wouldn't put my child through that, it would simply be too cruel.[/QUOTE]
It isn't like your entire life is one instance of depression after another. There is plenty of love and friendship. Besides, you could always play video games, which is fun.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17717228]Emperor Penguins would die if the species didn't place the eggs on their feet and cover it with their fat.
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Because a natural process and a medical condition are two identical things. :downs:
I think we should keep them in cages, like a zoo. A deformed zoo for humans.:dance:
[QUOTE=CanibalMonke;17717232]Because a natural process and a medical condition are two identical things. :downs:[/QUOTE]
Well technically they are, they both came from genetic mutations.
[QUOTE=Octo pie;17717250]I think we should keep them in cages, like a zoo. A deformed zoo for humans.:dance:[/QUOTE]
Id pay to see that.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;17717254]Well technically they are, they both came from genetic mutations.
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Not all brain dead victims got it from genetic mutations. It's possible to become brain dead throughout your life.
Also, they're not. One is a process that is supposed to happen, the other can occur to anyone.
[QUOTE=CanibalMonke;17717283]Not all brain dead victims got it from genetic mutations. It's possible to become brain dead throughout your life.[/QUOTE]
So we should only protect the brain dead children from the start but not if they become it later in life?
Look, if you wanna remain passive to them, that's fine. But it is the parents choice to raise their child, and then it ist the child's choice later in life if it wants to live.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17717316]So we should only protect the brain dead children from the start but not if they become it later in life?
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When did I ever say that if you become brain dead later in life, you shouldn't be protected? Or even say that brain dead children should be protected?
[QUOTE=CanibalMonke;17717351]When did I ever say that if you become brain dead later in life, you shouldn't be protected? Or even say that brain dead children should be protected?[/QUOTE]
You defended the actions of the Penguin, I just assumed.
[QUOTE=CanibalMonke;17717283]Not all brain dead victims got it from genetic mutations. It's possible to become brain dead throughout your life.
Also, they're not. One is a process that is supposed to happen, the other can occur to anyone.[/QUOTE]
And when it does happen to individuals then they are supposed to die, keeping them alive is going against the Natural process.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17717372]You defended the actions of the Penguin, I just assumed.[/QUOTE]
The eggs need that because of the condition of their surroundings.
[QUOTE=CanibalMonke;17717412]The eggs need that because of the condition of their surroundings.[/QUOTE]
The children need protection because of the condition of their birth.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;17717407]And when it does happen to individuals then they are supposed to die, keeping them alive is going against the Natural process.[/QUOTE]
Keeping them alive is just a waste of money. At some point, they will die.
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[QUOTE=Neolk;17717462]The children need protection because of the condition of their birth.[/QUOTE]
If you're referring to children born without being brain dead, then yes, because as much can be said for any child of any species. If you're referring to brain dead children, then they would need a form of protection whether they were just born, or 5 years old.
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