[QUOTE=CanibalMonke;17717465]Keeping them alive is just a waste of money. At some point, they will die.[/quote] Keeping anyone alive is a waste of money, someday we will all die. Why feed us if we are just gonna keel over later?
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If you're referring to children born without being brain dead, then yes, because as much can be said for any child of any species. If you're referring to brain dead children, then they would need a form of protection whether they were just born, or 5 years old.[/QUOTE]
Children need protection, as do adults. We all need someone providing some form of security. Some just require more than other, that isn't a reason for them not to live.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17717584]Keeping anyone alive is a waste of money, someday we will all die. Why feed us if we are just gonna keel over later?[/quote]
Which would you say is worth more in the long run?
-Spending money on someone who will hopefully one day contribute to society.
-Spending money on someone who will lay in a hospital bed for the final years of their life.
[quote=Neolk]Children need protection, as do adults. We all need someone providing some form of security. Some just require more than other, that isn't a reason for them not to live.[/QUOTE]
What are you protecting a brain dead child/adult from? If they don't die because of issues in the body, then they'll die from the plug decidedly being pulled.
[QUOTE=CanibalMonke;17717649]Which would you say is worth more in the long run?
-Spending money on someone who will hopefully one day contribute to society.
-Spending money on someone who will lay in a hospital bed for the final years of their life.
[/quote] Ah, so a personal only deserves to live if they contribute to society. My mistake. I guess providing love to the ones that love you isn't contributing. Monetary value is all that matters.
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What are you protecting a brain dead child/adult from? If they don't die because of issues in the body, then they'll die from the plug decidedly being pulled.[/QUOTE]
Should die of old age.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17717758]Ah, so a personal only deserves to live if they contribute to society. My mistake. I guess providing love to the ones that love you isn't contributing. Monetary value is all that matters.
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Contribution to society doesn't have anything to do with money. Do scientists make important discoveries for the money?
Also, the love will only last so long. I doubt there will be as strong a love from the beginning to a brain dead person who has been brain dead for 12 years.
[quote=Neolk]Should die of old age.[/QUOTE]
Yes, waste the resources on someone who can't even move, instead of giving them to someone who can be cured or repaired and begin helping their community.
[QUOTE=CanibalMonke;17717844]Contribution to society doesn't have anything to do with money. Do scientists make important discoveries for the money?[/quote]
So if not everyone benefits from your actions you don't deserve to live?
[quote]Also, the love will only last so long. I doubt there will be as strong a love from the beginning to a brain dead person who has been brain dead for 12 years.[/quote] You are wrong.
[quote]Yes, waste the resources on someone who can't even move, instead of giving them to someone who can be cured or repaired and begin helping their community.[/QUOTE]
Ya, what a waste of space. Kill the unproductive and homeless too, lets bring about a worker class.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17717758]Ah, so a personal only deserves to live if they contribute to society. My mistake. I guess providing love to the ones that love you isn't contributing. Monetary value is all that matters.
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1. If they are not going to contribute to something they shouldn't rely on it (similar to pirating actually)
2. Maybe they do want do die, how will would we ever find out whether they do or not?
3. You said earlier that it's natural to do everything you can to help your child but what does nature have to do with a society of 300 million people and why should one person orcastrate all of it without consent?
[QUOTE=Neolk;17718076]So if not everyone benefits from your actions you don't deserve to live?[/quote]
No, but if you at least are able to make some form of contribution, it's worth more.
[quote=Neolk] You are wrong.[/quote]
I guess I should continue crying over my dead grandpa who died 3 years ago.
[quote=Neolk]Ya, what a waste of space. Kill the unproductive and homeless too, lets bring about a worker class.[/QUOTE]
The homeless may not be working, but they're able bodied. And define "unproductive".
I believe that those who cannot do ANYTHING to contribute to our world, AND get tons of money spent on them, should not be here. I am not saying that the homeless should all be mass slaughtered or anything, but like other people have said above, deformed kids that COMPLETELY rely on life support who lie in bed all day, learning at an extremely slow process and not doing anything that will or will lead up to helping our world should not be here.
[QUOTE=WoodenSpoon;17718485]I believe that those who cannot do ANYTHING to contribute to our world, AND get tons of money spent on them, should not be here. I am not saying that the homeless should all be mass slaughtered or anything, but like other people have said above, deformed kids that COMPLETELY rely on life support who lie in bed all day, learning at an extremely slow process and not doing anything that will or will lead up to helping our world should not be here.[/QUOTE]
Everyone deserves to live. I could see you having some animosity to some people, but these are children for christs sake. The only crime they've committed was being born and you wanna slap a death sentence to their head?
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I guess I should continue crying over my dead grandpa who died 3 years ago.[/quote] No, but these kids aren't dead, their brain just aint working right,
[QUOTE=Zycos;17718098]1. If they are not going to contribute to something they shouldn't rely on it (similar to pirating actually)
2. Maybe they do want do die, how will would we ever find out whether they do or not?
3. You said earlier that it's natural to do everything you can to help your child but what does nature have to do with a society of 300 million people and why should one person orcastrate all of it without consent?[/QUOTE]
1.) They contribute love and their existence to their family. It may not effect you directly, but their stories probably do.
2.) You assume they don't want to die. Look, the mute may not be able to speak but that doesn't mean we put words in their mouth. Until we are able to communicate with them, we should assume they want to live. We could always kill them later if they ask, but once they are dead they are dead.
3.) Welcome to government. By the by: most the time these kids aren't payed for by the government, it is the families own pockets that pay for their loved ones.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17718870]Everyone deserves to live. I could see you having some animosity to some people, but these are children for christs sake. The only crime they've committed was being born and you wanna slap a death sentence to their head?[/quote]
Yes, because children are innocent angels who never do anything wrong.
Slapping a death sentence on their head? You make it sound like I'm against anyone who's different.
[quote=Neolk]No, but these kids aren't dead, their brain just aint working right,[/QUOTE]
I supposed it's called brain [b]dead[/b] because they're alive, eh?
[QUOTE=CanibalMonke;17718962]Yes, because children are innocent angels who never do anything wrong. [/quote] If they are 'brain dead' as you say, then yeah, they are fucking innocent angels.
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Slapping a death sentence on their head? You make it sound like I'm against anyone who's different.[/quote] No, only against a certain group that is different.
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I supposed it's called brain [b]dead[/b] because they're alive, eh?[/QUOTE]
It is just a title. Their brain isn't actually 'dead', just a vegetative state. Ever hear of 'dead leg'? The person isn't actually dead.
Unfortunately it's like survival of the fittest. Without hospitals this baby would be too weak to make it. The gene pool doesn't need her.
[QUOTE=-Matt-94;17719069]Unfortunately it's like survival of the fittest. Without hospitals this baby would be too weak to make it. The gene pool doesn't need her.[/QUOTE]
We aren't animals, we don't need to be governed by this nature anymore. We have medicine and technology, we are using it. Just as animals use their tools so to do we. Besides, it isn't like she is going to be passing on her genes most likely anyway. And even if she did, there's a perfectly good chance that she'll birth regular children.
That first picture is a bit sick...
This is why human euthanization should be made legal.
[QUOTE=Furioso;17719278]This is why human euthanization should be made legal.[/QUOTE]
No, its only why suicide should be made legal. If the child doesn't want to die, shouldn't be killed.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17718870]1.) They contribute love and their existence to their family. It may not effect you directly, but their stories probably do.
2.) You assume they don't want to die. Look, the mute may not be able to speak but that doesn't mean we put words in their mouth. Until we are able to communicate with them, we should assume they want to live. We could always kill them later if they ask, but once they are dead they are dead.
3.) Welcome to government. By the by: most the time these kids aren't payed for by the government, it is the families own pockets that pay for their loved ones.[/QUOTE]
1.) They don't affect me at all.
2.) Some of them don't even have feelings at all they simply are a body with a bodies needs, and we won't ever be able to communicate with alot of them unless we find a way to read minds, but that is probably a long way off and until then why should I have to support a bag of meat?
3.) We vote for goverments we don't vote for these parasites, and families who pay for it themselves I have no problem with.
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[QUOTE=Neolk;17719290]No, its only why suicide should be made legal. If the child doesn't want to die, shouldn't be killed.[/QUOTE]
We don't know and even if we did they wouldn't be able to do it themselves.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17719104]We aren't animals, we don't need to be governed by this nature anymore. We have medicine and technology, we are using it. Just as animals use their tools so to do we. Besides, it isn't like she is going to be passing on her genes most likely anyway. And even if she did, there's a perfectly good chance that she'll birth regular children.[/QUOTE]
And how the hell do you know about what happens when retards have children?
I laughed until I cried on this thread.
I feel bad about myself.
[QUOTE=Zycos;17719377]And how the hell do you know about what happens when retards have children?[/QUOTE]
Genetics? Midgets give birth to tall children, and tall people give birth to midgets. Only makes sense 'retards' as you say are able to give birth to regular children.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17719104]We aren't animals, we don't need to be governed by this nature anymore. We have medicine and technology, we are using it. Just as animals use their tools so to do we. Besides, it isn't like she is going to be passing on her genes most likely anyway. And even if she did, there's a perfectly good chance that she'll birth regular children.[/QUOTE]
We are animals tard. See that's the controversy, natural selection and survival of the fittest in humans has ceased since even the weakest who should/would die normally live. Is there any use for these people? No. Even downs syndrome people what can they do in life? Be a greeter at Walmart? The unfit to survive are living and are poluting the gene pool. But the latter point is pretty moot because I highly doubt any of these people will reproduce/are capable of it. Call me a dick, call me heartless but this world isn't a bassion of compassion and love.
[QUOTE=aman III;17720001]We are animals tard. See that's the controversy, natural selection and survival of the fittest in humans has ceased since even the weakest who should/would die normally live. Call me Hitler II but is there any use for these people? No. Even downs syndrome people what can they do in life? Be a greeter at Walmart? The unfit to survive are living and are poluting the gene pool. But the latter point is pretty moot because I highly doubt any of these people will reproduce/are capable of it. Call me a dick, call me heartless but this world isn't a bassion of compassion and love.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, we need to start acting like a race of human beings and not a bunch of lovey-dovey people who devote their lives to helping these people when they will never do anything special.
[QUOTE=aman III;17720001] call me heartless but this world isn't a bassion of compassion and love.[/QUOTE]
Theres no reason why it can't be. Call me a hopeless cause, but the only reason we have wars is because of this idea that they are 'unavoidable'. That we can never solve them. Why do people have to meet a cookie-cutter standard? Why can't we accept these children as children, rather than worry about how our tax dollars would better be spent buying us a new car.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17718870]Everyone deserves to live. I could see you having some animosity to some people, but these are children for christs sake. The only crime they've committed was being born and you wanna slap a death sentence to their head?
No, but these kids aren't dead, their brain just aint working right,
1.) They contribute love and their existence to their family. It may not effect you directly, but their stories probably do.
2.) You assume they don't want to die. Look, the mute may not be able to speak but that doesn't mean we put words in their mouth. Until we are able to communicate with them, we should assume they want to live. We could always kill them later if they ask, but once they are dead they are dead.
3.) Welcome to government. By the by: most the time these kids aren't payed for by the government, it is the families own pockets that pay for their loved ones.[/QUOTE]
You may think everyone deserves to live, but that's your thinking, and I respect that. What I'm saying is, these people put all this effort and money into helping a child that will most likely not succeed in anything important. Maybe they can do some basic math n' things but how is that going to help OTHERS? They simply cannot live a normal or advanced life. How can a child like this, contribute to us in any way? I went to an advanced program in middle school, and some of the kids seemed like they could be expert mathematicians or scientists, conducting research and new discoveries. Which will greatly help the human race. My view on most citizens of Earth, are a bunch of ignorant idiots (I don't mean to offend anyone). Who don't really care about what's going on with us. I'm not a person who go's out to parties constantly. I like spending my time in a library or on a computer, reading about fantastic subjects that never cease to amaze me, such as space or aviation. But my main point is, which you don't seem to get, is that these disabled children don't need all this attention if they're gonna probably die shortly and not help us.
[QUOTE=WoodenSpoon;17720496]You may think everyone deserves to live, but that's your thinking, and I respect that. What I'm saying is, these people put all this effort and money into helping a child that will most likely not succeed in anything important. Maybe they can do some basic math n' things but how is that going to help OTHERS? They simply cannot live a normal or advanced life. How can a child like this, contribute to us in any way? I went to an advanced program in middle school, and some of the kids seemed like they could be expert mathematicians or scientists, conducting research and new discoveries. Which will greatly help the human race. My view on most citizens of Earth, are a bunch of ignorant idiots (I don't mean to offend anyone). Who don't really care about what's going on with us. I'm not a person who go's out to parties constantly. I like spending my time in a library or on a computer, reading about fantastic subjects that never cease to amaze me, such as space or aviation. But my main point is, which you don't seem to get, is that these disabled children don't need all this attention if they're gonna probably die shortly and not help us.[/QUOTE]
We all don't need to "help the human race". I guess people who work an low paying cubicle job should die too, because they're not "helping the human race"
Infact, I think the Human race is doing just fine, being the dominate Animal of earth, having many countries with over 6 Billion or so Humans.
[QUOTE=WoodenSpoon;17720496]You may think everyone deserves to live, but that's your thinking, and I respect that. What I'm saying is, these people put all this effort and money into helping a child that will most likely not succeed in anything important. Maybe they can do some basic math n' things but how is that going to help OTHERS? They simply cannot live a normal or advanced life. How can a child like this, contribute to us in any way? I went to an advanced program in middle school, and some of the kids seemed like they could be expert mathematicians or scientists, conducting research and new discoveries. Which will greatly help the human race. My view on most citizens of Earth, are a bunch of ignorant idiots (I don't mean to offend anyone). Who don't really care about what's going on with us. I'm not a person who go's out to parties constantly. I like spending my time in a library or on a computer, reading about fantastic subjects that never cease to amaze me, such as space or aviation. But my main point is, which you don't seem to get, is that these disabled children don't need all this attention if they're gonna probably die shortly and not help us.[/QUOTE] I don't see why there's a need for people to live grand-exciting world changing lives? Why must we as beings have an impact? Can't we just exist to exist? Why must all our actions reach out and touch someone, why can't we just be at peace with where we are and who we are? I see what you are trying to say, but I say this rather: There is no shame, and no harm, in living a life whose only accomplishment is to exist. Granted, such a life never actually happens (even those who are disabled to never wake make an impact on their parents and family), but if it did we should respect it and accept it. Some humans may be a 'waste of space' to you, but sometimes they can't help it. Sometimes poverty is so reaching people never escape, just as sometimes religious values are pushed so far into people, theres no changing them. Some children never get to comprehend the world around them. It isn't our place to say that they are living the wrong life, or the incorrect one, or that they aren't making enough impacts. They live, and that should be enough for all of us.
The sad irony is that you talk about helping others, yet you are against providing care for one who can't even help itself. I guess we should only help others if they help us back.
[QUOTE=Neolk;17720446]Theres no reason why it can't be. Call me a hopeless cause, but the only reason we have wars is because of this idea that they are 'unavoidable'. That we can never solve them. Why do people have to meet a cookie-cutter standard? Why can't we accept these children as children, rather than worry about how our tax dollars would better be spent buying us a new car.[/QUOTE]
Because these children will probably have no use to us, and we dump in our money for them. Maybe a car could actually help US get around and contribute by going to a job or something. Which would you rather have? It's like, we give a hospital thousands of dollars just so they can hook up tubes which will keep a bunch of drooling-brainless kids alive.
[QUOTE=WoodenSpoon;17720586]Because these children will probably have no use to us, and we dump in our money for them. Maybe a car could actually help US get around and contribute by going to a job or something. Which would you rather have? It's like, we give a hospital thousands of dollars just so they can hook up tubes which will keep a bunch of drooling-brainless kids alive.[/QUOTE]
I'd say keeping them alive is what matters, and it shouldn't matter what monetary value we give up for it.
(Btw: Did you see my response to your other post on the page before this one? If not you should read it, don't want you to miss it)
[QUOTE=WoodenSpoon;17720586]Because these children will probably have no use to us, and we dump in our money for them. Maybe a car could actually help US get around and contribute by going to a job or something. Which would you rather have? It's like, we give a hospital thousands of dollars just so they can hook up tubes which will keep a bunch of drooling-brainless kids alive.[/QUOTE]
I agree that brainless people are a hopeless cause, but really. Does it matter if they have some "use to us"
It's not like we have 0 scientists or anything, it's not like we're in a war against intergalactic space fucks. You only seem to think in black and white and in the sense of survival. Which is obviously a different mindset.
We're all here (or atleast I am) thinking with Sympathy and Emotion.
My point, They're still people and deserve respect, they're not "parasites"
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