I agree with the above post, they should exist to exist and that should be enough.
Ah yes I haven't read your recent post until after I posted this one. Sorry :)
Anyway, in my posts, I'm not saying every single person has to make an amazing discovery, I mean, working in a cubicle is helping a business eh? I know some people can't help themselves, I cannot change their attitude. But everyone has different perspectives on things. I think that people should be a little less ignorant. But yes, we exist to exist, it just happens.
[editline]11:14PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17720609]I agree that brainless people are a hopeless cause, but really. Does it matter if they have some "use to us"
It's not like we have 0 scientists or anything, it's not like we're in a war against intergalactic space fucks. You only seem to think in black and white and in the sense of survival. Which is obviously a different mindset.
We're all here (or atleast I am) thinking with Sympathy and Emotion.
My point, They're still people and deserve respect, they're not "parasites"[/QUOTE]
I agree with you, my fucking allergy medicine is making me drowsy and daydream D:
And I realized that I have been thinking in black and white as you said. :c
[QUOTE=WoodenSpoon;17720586]Because these children will probably have no use to us, and we dump in our money for them. Maybe a car could actually help US get around and contribute by going to a job or something. Which would you rather have? It's like, we give a hospital thousands of dollars just so they can hook up tubes which will keep a bunch of drooling-brainless kids alive.[/QUOTE]
Somewhat ironic post, considering your avatar.
If they are still slightly normal (Maybe missing a limb, or can't control some muscles) but still look pretty normal then yeah i think they deserve a chance to live, but i agree completely with what you say. They are just torturing the child. They aren't doing any good by keeping it alive like you said. I know that may sound cynical but think about it. It's more cynical to keep them alive. Like that one girl with a chunk of her brain missing so all she can do is drool poop and eat and won't be able to talk... yikes.
I am not thinking straight anymore :(
Maybe you ought to think about the mother, who carried this child for nine months inside of her own body. You can't tell me you don't bond with a child while it's in the womb.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17720609]I agree that brainless people are a hopeless cause, but really. Does it matter if they have some "use to us"
It's not like we have 0 scientists or anything, it's not like we're in a war against intergalactic space fucks. You only seem to think in black and white and in the sense of survival. Which is obviously a different mindset.
We're all here (or atleast I am) thinking with Sympathy and Emotion.
My point, They're still people and deserve respect, they're not "parasites"[/QUOTE]
yes they are. They're taking something from us but giving noting back, that's the text book example of parasites. We're in war with the economy, with people losing jobs, homes, and living without healthcare. All these money that could go to help living functional people are being wasted toward the brainless, who are technically [b]DEAD[/b].
[img]http://www.salem.k12.va.us/staff/dturner/lange_migrant_mother.jpg[/img]
If we gave this kind of people enough money, this could help jump start their life back, live functionally, and become contributing members to society.
[img]http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/050615/nn_potter_schiavo_050615.300w.jpg[/img]
No matter how much money we spend on her, she'll never come back alive, BECAUSE SHE'S [B]DEAD[/B].
You guys call us monsters but your the one wanting someone live a horrid life.
How the fuck can any of you call lying down in a fucking bed doing NOTING a life? That's monstrous itself.
Learn to read "I agree that brainless people are a hopeless cause"
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17720810]Learn to read "I agree that brainless people are a hopeless cause"[/QUOTE]
Weren't you saying they should live? If not, I apologize. If you were, my point stands.
honestly where do you stand to say a person does not have the right to live?
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;17720820]Weren't you saying they should live? If not, I apologize. If you were, my point stands.[/QUOTE]
I agree they are a HOPELESS CAUSE
It is Hopeless to help those with out a brain
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;17720830]honestly where do you stand to say a person does not have the right to live?[/QUOTE]
The ones we're talking about isn't even living, their dead.
Their bodies are alive, but they're mentally dead.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;17720841]The ones we're talking about isn't even living, their dead.
Their bodies are alive, but they're mentally dead.[/QUOTE]
if the parents pay for the doctors to keep them alive what does it matter you your view of their choice?
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;17720854]if the parents pay for the doctors to keep them alive what does it matter you your view of society?[/QUOTE]
um, your last statement makes no sense
They're not even mentally alive, they're just a mass of cells at that point.
i feel sympathy for mentally challenged people because they ARE alive and ARE people and DO have functioning brains.
I'm not saying that I BLAME the Brain dead for being brain dead, but why keep a mass of cells with no thoughts alive?
That's Inhuman and sickening.
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;17720854]if the parents pay for the doctors to keep them alive what does it matter you your view of society?[/QUOTE]
we keep some of them alive with our tax money, like public hospitals.
Not to mention, we can use their space for real living patients to occupy it.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;17720874]we keep some of them alive with our tax money, like public hospitals.
Not to mention, we can use their space for real living patients to occupy it.[/QUOTE]
No we don't they are in private hospitals, until social health care comes into play they pay out of pocket my good sir.
I thought all humans were equal, you know like the constitution says?
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[QUOTE=doommarine23;17720873]um, your last statement makes no sense
They're not even mentally alive, they're just a mass of cells at that point.
i feel sympathy for mentally challenged people because they ARE alive and ARE people and DO have functioning brains.
I'm not saying that I BLAME the Brain dead for being brain dead, but why keep a mass of cells with no thoughts alive?
That's Inhuman and sickening.[/QUOTE]
Why, they don't know they are, if they are a "mass of cells" then what is it to you if the parents want to keep them alive, I mean it isn't like they are in pain. They do have the choice.
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;17720897]No we don't they are in private hospitals, until social health care comes into play they pay out of pocket my good sir.
I thought all humans were equal, you know like the constitution says?[/QUOTE]
very well sir, you win.
but, all humans were equal applies to the living.
brainless people are dead.
[quote=johnedwards;17720897]no we don't they are in private hospitals, until social health care comes into play they pay out of pocket my good sir.
I thought all humans were equal, you know like the constitution says?
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why, they don't know they are, if they are a "mass of cells" then what is it to you if the parents want to keep them alive, i mean it isn't like they are in pain. They do have the choice.[/quote]
because their children is dead
if i really loved my children i wouldn"t have them be degraded in the sense of living a life of a dead corpse, or have them suffer. Unlike some people who are so selfish that they "love" their child but are just crazy freaks.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;17720922]very well sir, you win.
but, all humans were equal applies to the living.
brainless people are dead.[/QUOTE]
Brain dead people are not considered alive or dead that is why the parents must choose what is done
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;17720946]Brain dead people are not considered alive or dead that is why the parents must choose what is done[/QUOTE]
They're clumps of cells who can't think or do anything.
What is life, when it's nothing but laying in bed, doing nothing and thinking of nothing.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17720937]because their children is dead
if i really loved my children i wouldn"t have them be degraded in the sense of living a life of a dead corpse, or have them suffer. Unlike some people who are so selfish that they "love" their child but are just crazy freaks.[/QUOTE]
well if they are "dead" then how are they going to be degraded, actually keeping a human body alive is a quite remarkable thing.
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;17720946]Brain dead people are not considered alive or dead that is why the parents must choose what is done[/QUOTE]
they should be considered dead, because they're brain dead.
otherwise this isn't considered alive or dead:
[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PrAvgW_UQiM/RsUrIUGXM_I/AAAAAAAAAzw/oyP5F5nyxG0/s400/crashDummy.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;17720958]well if they are "dead" then how are they going to be degraded, actually keeping a human body alive is a quite remarkable thing.[/QUOTE]
They're being degraded on a level of human respect.
It's nothing but a freak show to keep a living corpse in a bed for it's life.
Now you're just showing your true colors, you don't care about the children or their suffering, you just care that it's "Alive"
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17720972]They're being degraded on a level of human respect.
It's nothing but a freak show to keep a living corpse in a bed for it's life.
Now you're just showing your true colors, you don't care about the children or their suffering, you just care that it's "Alive"[/QUOTE]
Parents have the choice on what is done, respect is only an opinion on another.
Actually is is a miracle of science to keep a human body alive, do you know how hard it is to keep it stable.
I honestly don't see why you are getting so carried away with this I mean it isn't your money/child, hell if I was carrying a kid around for 9 months only to pop it out brain dead I probably would have a hard time 'pulling the plug" I mean come on.
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;17721007]Parents have the choice on what is done, respect is only an opinion on another.
Actually is is a miracle of science to keep a human body alive, do you know how hard it is to keep it stable.
I honestly don't see why you are getting so carried away with this I mean it isn't your money/child, hell if I was carrying a kid around for 9 months only to pop it out brain dead I probably would have a hard time 'pulling the plug" I mean come on.[/QUOTE]
You'll have a hard time because you don't care about your child, you only care about your own selfish needs and the feeling of having a child/something that depends on you.
If I had a braindead child, I'd have it killed, out of pure love and respect, I respect them as people and I don't want them to be degraded and disrespected by living such a pathetic life.
Sometimes, the most loving thing to do, is the hardest thing to do.
Yes, I am aware this man is a troll, but I like an argument
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17721055]You'll have a hard time because you don't care about your child, you only care about your own selfish needs and the feeling of having a child/something that depends on you.
If I had a braindead child, I'd have it killed, out of pure love and respect, I respect them as people and I don't want them to be degraded and disrespected by living such a pathetic life.
Sometimes, the most loving thing to do, is the hardest thing to do.[/QUOTE]
Uhh don't see how that is selfish I mean a parent has legal rights to act in that manner, doctors must put the baby on life support until a decision is reached, i think you are taking this too far just to say "No your opinion is wrong mine is right"
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;17721115]Uhh don't see how that is selfish I mean a parent has legal rights to act in that manner, doctors must put the baby on life support until a decision is reached, i think you are taking this too far just to say "No your opinion is wrong mine is right"[/QUOTE]
The Parent should choose what's best for their child, not for themselves.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17721124]The Parent should choose what's best for their child, not for themselves.[/QUOTE]
uhh, I don't think you understand the rights a parent has and how a parent might perceive the situation
I feel sorry for the women who go through the pain of giving birth only to find out their child is retarded. I think they go insane at that moment and instead try to have child live as long as they can, even though its harmful for the child. Letting the child live is not something someone outside should decide since they have no idea what it is like.
EDIT: Also
[img]http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/300269380_CmABy-L-2.jpg[/img]
Oh dear god have a funny
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