Splinter Cell Blacklist - General

Its just Conviction 2. It will be just as shitty as it was.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;36208288]It was a 5 minute stage demo. People said the same thing about the 11 minute private Hitman Absolution demo. Relax.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing you never played conviction.

I'll still play it and enjoy it. The new VA is really irritating though.

Hahahah, that looks fucking ridiculous. Seeing that fisher is getting close to being a grandpa, he moves WAY too fast and athletically. And really, if Lambert isn't in the game, it's gonna be shit.

Isn't this a prequel? Looks way to young for it to be a sequel.

It takes place 6 months after Conviction.

No Michael Ironside = nope

The UAV part was cringe worthy

[t]http://assets2.ignimgs.com/2012/06/04/newuploads201206045d22fdca6ae652ec211c412e9352e77f12060411amscblscspfdo03jpg-f21ceb.jpg[/t] zoom in on the screen on the right, "angel fire dlc". proof that developers think of ways to milk money out of customers with dlc before the game is even finished and ready to be shipped out.

[QUOTE=Seith;36206985]You guys remind me of those old people who say stuff like, [i]I remember the time where T.V shows were black n white, and were worth something![/i] Accept the change, it's inevitable and maybe it might be even enjoyable. Who knows.[/QUOTE] Being open-minded and accepting of change is one thing; the gameplay demo that they showed us is literally the exact opposite of what the series used to be. In Chaos Theory you could go the entire game without killing a single person and you were rewarded for this because you didn't take the easy way out. In Blacklist, a 57 (pfft) year old Sam Fisher is going Rambo on a group of presumed terrorists and calls a fucking air strike. I mean...characters aside, I honestly can't even consider "Blacklist" to be a Splinter Cell game, based on what they showed. Sam's character has completely gone off the rails and the rest of the game with it.

[QUOTE=Seith;36206985]You guys remind me of those old people who say stuff like, [i]I remember the time where T.V shows were black n white, and were worth something![/i] Accept the change, it's inevitable and maybe it might be even enjoyable. Who knows.[/QUOTE]Are you dumb? You just can't change something like the main character VA and expect everyone to just blindly accept it, to me Sam Fisher is most known by two things, his signature goggles, and his voice. You can't change the voice 6 games in and think it's fine, that's retarded.

[QUOTE=Killer900;36216638]Are you dumb? You just can't change something like the main character VA and expect everyone to just blindly accept it, to me Sam Fisher is most known by two things, his signature goggles, and his voice. You can't change the voice 6 games in and think it's fine, that's retarded.[/QUOTE] They didn't change his voice because they felt like dicking over people on Facepunch, Michael Ironside just didn't want to play the role anymore. [editline]5th June 2012[/editline] There isn't much you can do when your voice actor just isn't interested.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;36216753]They didn't change his voice because they felt like dicking over people on Facepunch, Michael Ironside just didn't want to play the role anymore. [editline]5th June 2012[/editline] There isn't much you can do when your voice actor just isn't interested.[/QUOTE]That's not what I've read, find me a webpage where he says that, then I'll believe you. What I read however, they state that real reason he isn't doing Sam is because they needed a younger actor who was capable of both motion capture and and voice acting simultaneously. So instead of just either canning that idea and just use the old tech and still have Michael be Fisher, or just stop making Splinter Cells where Sam is the main character, they decide to hire a younger sounding Sam Fisher and call it a day, even though Sam Fisher is like almost in his 60's, and in this one he sounds like he's in his 20's. There's really no good excuse for this decision, and this is actually the first Splinter Cell where I'm not interested in just because of this.

well the only good thing about this is probably DAT SAM ASS IN YO FACE 24/7

[QUOTE=Killer900;36218057]That's not what I've read, find me a webpage where he says that, then I'll believe you. What I read however, they state that real reason he isn't doing Sam is because they needed a younger actor who was capable of both motion capture and and voice acting simultaneously. So instead of just either canning that idea and just use the old tech and still have Michael be Fisher, or just stop making Splinter Cells where Sam is the main character, they decide to hire a younger sounding Sam Fisher and call it a day, even though Sam Fisher is like almost in his 60's, and in this one he sounds like he's in his 20's. There's really no good excuse for this decision, and this is actually the first Splinter Cell where I'm not interested in just because of this.[/QUOTE] I've read both but I agree it's weird hearing a 20 something play a 50 something.

[QUOTE=Killer900;36216638]Are you dumb? You just can't change something like the main character VA and expect everyone to just blindly accept it, to me Sam Fisher is most known by two things, his signature goggles, and his voice. You can't change the voice 6 games in and think it's fine, that's retarded.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, you're right. No. This is just nitpicking and immensely trivial. I'm a fan of the game myself and have played through all of them, and still, I can't predict whether something will be or will not be good. What I can predict though, is pessimistic, fortune-telling, angry gamers who will manifest these "concerns" and will drag the game along with them. It's always the fans that get over their head with complaints.

[QUOTE=Seith;36220261]I'm sorry, you're right. No. This is just nitpicking and immensely trivial. I'm a fan of the game myself and have played through all of them, and still, I can't predict whether something will be or will not be good. What I can predict though, is pessimistic, fortune-telling, angry gamers who will manifest these "concerns" and will drag the game along with them. It's always the fans that get over their head with complaints.[/QUOTE] So after releasing a game that essentially pissed all over the franchise, we see a video in which Sam goes Rambo as shit, in which there are canned auto-kills, in which THERE WAS A FUCKING UAV AND A RIDICULOUS ACTION SEGMENT, and in which the entire gameplay basically looks like Assassin's Creed, and what's more, we find out that the long established VA for Sam is being tossed aside for a new guy who's voice doesn't even sound remotely correct so that they can use some stupid new mocap tech? Yeah, we're being so fucking petty.

Because they keep saying on their twitter that stealth will be rewarded and we just need to wait for them to release more info, I won't judge the gameplay just yet. That and I liked Conviction but I see it's flaws. Right now I'm extremely bugged by Sam's young voice.

They fucking killed of Michael Ironside who has been a part of this series for 10 fucking years. Fuck you ubisoft, piece of shit.

At the very least they could have gotten a vaguely older sounding Sam.

[QUOTE=NielsGade;36222527]Watch the bts, there's a legit reason Michael isn't doing the voice.[/QUOTE] Really, I give two shits about the "technology" they are using for this game. They did a good enough job with it in Conviction, it wasn't terrible. I don't find that, that is a solid excuse enough to give the job to someone else just because he is old. He deserves a little more respect. They even hired a shitty actor to replace him.

Nerd rage. I guess I am a fanboy of Ironsides part of Splinter Cell.

[QUOTE=Geikkamir;36222039]So after releasing a game that essentially pissed all over the franchise, we see a video in which Sam goes Rambo as shit, in which there are canned auto-kills, in which THERE WAS A FUCKING UAV AND A RIDICULOUS ACTION SEGMENT, and in which the entire gameplay basically looks like Assassin's Creed, and what's more, we find out that the long established VA for Sam is being tossed aside for a new guy who's voice doesn't even sound remotely correct so that they can use some stupid new tech mocap tech? Yeah, we're being so fucking petty.[/QUOTE] You haven't even played it, besides crying about downsides which you only imagine would have an effect on the game and you, and you choose to ignore completely the fact you get a brand new game, with brand new content. Accept the change, it's inevitable. Either buy the game, or feel like a winner without it. Maybe play some Chaos Theory and feel like a man.

[QUOTE=NielsGade;36222717]That is fanboy-ism.[/QUOTE] One has to wonder, though, whether getting rid of the voice actor that essentially [i]makes Sam Fisher[/i] and is essentially synonymous with the role simply to apply facial motion capture with a younger actor is really, y'know, [i]necessary.[/i] Considering it's a new team, they probably figure they just want fancy facial animation rather than actually keeping the spirit of Sam in-place for the fanbase. I could be wrong, but it essentially makes it feel like this isn't Splinter Cell - it's just another game made for money and nothing else using the setting and gameplay of a pre-established IP. No one would've complained at all (or rather, fewer folks at the least) if it was a younger, new protagonist because it'd at least create a sensible progression of a new character doing things differently than Sam. But they kept Sam and, despite less than ten minutes of gameplay footage and no full angles on the story yet, made the fans outraged that they've essentially changed Sam for their own purposes of a sequel. Again.

[QUOTE=Seith;36225798]You haven't even played it, besides crying about downsides which you only imagine would have an effect on the game and you, and you choose to ignore completely the fact you get a brand new game, with brand new content. Accept the change, it's inevitable. Either buy the game, or feel like a winner without it. Maybe play some Chaos Theory and feel like a man.[/QUOTE] "You haven't played it yet" was a perfectly valid argument for Absolution because the problem there was the mechanics that they [I]weren't[/I] showing at the time. With Blacklist, however, we can [I]clearly see[/I] many of the features that people disliked about Conviction, and the chance that the game will suddenly get a complete overhaul at this stage in development and remove all of these features is practically zero. To claim that the changes made to the game's mechanics in Conviction and from what is displayed here will most likely be continued if not made more extreme in Blacklist did not make a [I]clear and noticeable[/I] impact on the style of gameplay is blatantly untrue. The change might be inevitable for this game, but if no one gives the developers any shit and continues to buy it anyway, then there's no way that they'll change their minds about future titles.

They should have replaced Sam 2 games ago. In Choas Theory Sam worked with other splinter cells. There was an entire 5 mission coop campaign dedicated to them. In Double Agent he was training his fucking replacement at the start. Then they just threw it out and made Sam 20 years old for Conviction. I find it strange that Ubisoft, the one large company who actually takes risks is being so fucking retarded with this. They weren't afraid to kill off half the old Ghosts in Ghost Recon Future Soldier (spoilers on the first level BTW), and half the cast of Brothers in arms ends up dead or crippled. Why keep reusing Sam where he doesn't fit?

Honestly they should have made Sam a side character whom you never actually see, but he briefs you on every mission and contacts you from time to time, sort of like how Lambert was. That way they could still use their new mo-cop tech and even make the main character completely new to the series, a new agent working for Fourth Echelon, that way would have been a lot better.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;36231131]They should have replaced Sam 2 games ago. In Choas Theory Sam worked with other splinter cells. There was an entire 5 mission coop campaign dedicated to them. In Double Agent he was training his fucking replacement at the start. Then they just threw it out and made Sam 20 years old for Conviction. I find it strange that Ubisoft, the one large company who actually takes risks is being so fucking retarded with this. They weren't afraid to kill off half the old Ghosts in Ghost Recon Future Soldier (spoilers on the first level BTW), and half the cast of Brothers in arms ends up dead or crippled. Why keep reusing Sam where he doesn't fit?[/QUOTE] Maybe it's due to Sam Fisher being the equivalent for the Splinter Cell series - and Tom Clancy games in general - of what Solid Snake is to the Metal Gear series. The icon among others, the anti-hero, the grizzled veteran. The one who has more experience with their shit than anyone else. Even when Snake became a grandpa due to accelerated aging in his finale, they kept him and changed the gameplay involving him instead of just throwing the series to Raiden and calling it a day. Maybe instead of just introducing another character, they keep the famous Sam Fisher because he's literally the series' face, so the games at least sell moderately more due to the legacy character rather than changing it over 100% and making it unidentifiable. If one continues the SC-MG parallels over to the series gameplay procedurally changing over time, though, that's a whole 'nother can of worms (like how MGS4 essentially was like an evolution of gameplay that still emphasized stealth but allowed combat, while Conviction loosely based itself on the previous games and emphasized combat over stealth). [sp]not to mention, simply comparing the two series usually causes shitstorms, but I figured it was a good comparison[/sp]

[QUOTE=RikohZX;36231219]Maybe it's due to Sam Fisher being the equivalent for the Splinter Cell series - and Tom Clancy games in general - of what Solid Snake is to the Metal Gear series. The icon among others, the anti-hero, the grizzled veteran. The one who has more experience with their shit than anyone else. Even when Snake became a grandpa due to accelerated aging in his finale, they kept him and changed the gameplay involving him instead of just throwing the series to Raiden and calling it a day. Maybe instead of just introducing another character, they keep the famous Sam Fisher because he's literally the series' face, so the games at least sell moderately more due to the legacy character rather than changing it over 100% and making it unidentifiable. If one continues the SC-MG parallels over to the series gameplay procedurally changing over time, though, that's a whole 'nother can of worms (like how MGS4 essentially was like an evolution of gameplay that still emphasized stealth but allowed combat, while Conviction loosely based itself on the previous games and emphasized combat over stealth). [sp]not to mention, simply comparing the two series usually causes shitstorms, but I figured it was a good comparison[/sp][/QUOTE] Then maybe they should just stop making Splinter Cell games. Better to let something rest in peace then shit on it's grave.

[QUOTE=RikohZX;36231219]Maybe it's due to Sam Fisher being the equivalent for the Splinter Cell series - and Tom Clancy games in general - of what Solid Snake is to the Metal Gear series. The icon among others, the anti-hero, the grizzled veteran. The one who has more experience with their shit than anyone else. Even when Snake became a grandpa due to accelerated aging in his finale, they kept him and changed the gameplay involving him instead of just throwing the series to Raiden and calling it a day. Maybe instead of just introducing another character, they keep the famous Sam Fisher because he's literally the series' face, so the games at least sell moderately more due to the legacy character rather than changing it over 100% and making it unidentifiable. If one continues the SC-MG parallels over to the series gameplay procedurally changing over time, though, that's a whole 'nother can of worms (like how MGS4 essentially was like an evolution of gameplay that still emphasized stealth but allowed combat, while Conviction loosely based itself on the previous games and emphasized combat over stealth). [sp]not to mention, simply comparing the two series usually causes shitstorms, but I figured it was a good comparison[/sp][/QUOTE] But he's an entirely different character in Conviction anyway. He's younger, he's pissed off all the time, he doesn't give a shit about human life and he is super serious. In the older games he was bitter and sarcastic, he teased his handlers and mocked how rediculous the situations were. And we can't forget when he made a guard call himself stupid. There's none of that in Conviction, just anger and shooting. He turned into Jack Bauer.