[QUOTE=Soviet Russia;29330915]your point?[/QUOTE]
you dont need music theory to play music or be a musician
you just need it so u can brag to people who dont know music theory about how u know music theory
ITT: people that know nothing about music, being a musician, or learning instruments.
OP: If you want to be able to read chords, you will need to learn some music theory. You need to know how to build up a chord given what's written on music. For example, if something says "Fm9", then instead of looking up a chart, you could know that to play a normal chord you need the tonic, 3rd, and 5th, and in the key of F minor, you have a tonic (F), a 3rd (Ab) and the 5th (C). And on top of that you add the 9th note in the scale, a G. And of course, you need to know where to actually play these notes on the guitar (there are many different ways to play a Fm9 and any chord).
That's just one example of how you have to think and what kind of stuff you need to know to read chords without memorising a huge chart.
If you're just playing pop songs though and don't worry about actually being a good player, you can just memorise the basic major and minor chord shapes.
[QUOTE=TheGuru;29331182]ITT: people that know nothing about music, being a musician, or learning instruments.
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hey give me a bit of fucking credit
[QUOTE=TheGuru;29331182]ITT: people that know nothing about music, being a musician, or learning instruments.
OP: If you want to be able to read chords, you will need to learn some music theory. You need to know how to build up a chord given what's written on music. For example, if something says "Fm9", then instead of looking up a chart, you could know that to play a normal chord you need the tonic, 3rd, and 5th, and in the key of F minor, you have a tonic (F), a 3rd (Ab) and the 5th (C). And on top of that you add the 9th note in the scale, a G. And of course, you need to know where to actually play these notes on the guitar (there are many different ways to play a Fm9 and any chord).
That's just one example of how you have to think and what kind of stuff you need to know to read chords without memorising a huge chart.[/QUOTE]
i can read chords and i dont know theory
u just have to know how to read chords to read chords
You don't have to know that much theory to read chords, just the basics. Like what a chord actually comprises of, and you need to know your scales. I mean like, if you saw a C7b9 or a Ddim7 would you have any idea what to do before looking up a chart?
[editline]21st April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=thisispain;29331243]hey give me a bit of fucking credit[/QUOTE]
I was speaking generally. A lot of the posts in this thread are 100% retarded
that is theory
you can't claim to be ignorant of music theory and know the 9th degree of the f minor scale
[QUOTE=Soviet Russia;29288724]unfortunately as boring as theory is, it's needed in order to play. I wish I kept with playing the trombone instead of giving in to my lack of effort and not studying theory and making it hard to keep up in band.[/QUOTE]
Theory is not necessary, especially not in the beginning when you're first learning something. But when you get more advanced and want to learn new things theory is something you pretty much have to know. And it will make it so much easier to get it together with a band if you know music theory.
[QUOTE=GunsNRoses;29292729]Hush, musicians are talking.[/QUOTE]
WINNER!!!
[QUOTE=spaceace1337;29331245]i can read chords and i dont know theory
u just have to know how to read chords to read chords[/QUOTE]
Just stop talking, please. You're making yourself look incredibly ignorant and are completely shitting on a very helpful part of music.
[QUOTE=spaceace1337;29331245]i can read chords and i dont know theory
u just have to know how to read chords to read chords[/QUOTE]
Whilst this is technically correct, people who clearly know a lot more about guitar than you are suggesting a very helpful alternative.
[QUOTE=Lord Hayden II;29287763]The piano is the easiest instrument to get your head around the notes, scales, etc.
So yes, learn the piano, then learn how chords are formed, etc. and there you have it.[/QUOTE]
Don't confuse piano and the musical notation.
I have enjoyed reading this thread as it progressed from a simple question to experienced musicians bullying a poor innocent dumb person.
[QUOTE=spaceace1337;29289974]you are a fool
i play bass guitar and drums and i dont know shit about theory.[/QUOTE]
That's because you play bass and drums.
Just kidding.
[QUOTE=ThunderGod;29336522]Whilst this is technically correct, people who clearly know a lot more about guitar than you are suggesting a very helpful alternative.[/QUOTE]
im a bassist and a drummer
[editline]22nd April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=The Maestro;29336437]Just stop talking, please. You're making yourself look incredibly ignorant and are completely shitting on a very helpful part of music.[/QUOTE]
why is everyone getting so butthurt in this thread?
[QUOTE=spaceace1337;29361030]im a bassist and a drummer[/QUOTE]
Jesus Christ, stop reminding it already for fuck's sake...
Chord books are a good place to start if you just want to learn chords quickly without knowledge of why they work. Scales, Arpeggios and theory is useful to learn why they work, and also come in extremely useful in the future for anything relating to music. People can learn instruments without learning theory but it's really not as fruitful as learning the theory behind it. Plus if you go on to study music, theory is really a must.
[editline]22nd April 2011[/editline]
Piano is one of the easiest because it has one of the widest ranges of notes available and and getting a good sound playing isn't a pain for beginners.
[QUOTE=spaceace1337;29361030]im a bassist and a drummer
[editline]22nd April 2011[/editline]
why is everyone getting so butthurt in this thread?[/QUOTE]
We're not butthurt, you're just stupid. If you ever want to improvise, how will you be able to make it sound good if you don't understand the relationships between key signatures? I guess you never want to write your own music.
I think people are missing out on the fact that the OP just wants to play cover songs, which theory is not needed for. When I first started playing guitar, all I wanted to do was play covers, and I didn't bother with theory until I started wanting to make music. You don't need theory to cover songs. He can learn about composition and theory when he gets to the point where he wants to create something, but until then he doesn't need to understand it.
[QUOTE=The Maestro;29361729]If you ever want to improvise, how will you be able to make it sound good if you don't understand the relationships between key signatures? I guess you never want to write your own music.[/QUOTE]
Most beginners learn the pentatonic scale just as an exercise and are eventually told you can improvise over songs with it. There really doesn't have to be an understanding to what the pentatonic scale or any other scale is to use them. Most people instinctively understand what the root note is, although they might get a bit confused. Trust me in saying that there are a ton of people who don't know anything about music theory, but can still improvise and come up with music. It isn't a path I'd suggest, but plenty of people do fine without any music theory or understanding of what they are doing. People instinctively know what sounds good.
Modes are really one of those things you don't at all need to understand to learn how to use. If you are playing over a I ii iii IV progression and it sounds good and you are only playing notes of the major scale, then you are using modes without knowing it. For example, on the ii you would be playing the Dorian mode. You don't have to have knowledge of how modes work or even what they are to use them.
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;29361367]Jesus Christ, stop reminding it already for fuck's sake...[/QUOTE]
alright i will stop reminding it immediately.
[QUOTE=Lord Hayden II;29287763]The piano is the easiest instrument to get your head around the notes, scales, etc.
So yes, learn the piano, then learn how chords are formed, etc. and there you have it.[/QUOTE]
Piano is far from easy mate, sure its easy to casually play a simple song but it takes a long time to get good at it and actually play it.
[QUOTE=spaceace1337;29361030]im a bassist and a drummer[/QUOTE]
Badman. You clearly don't know shit about chords.
[QUOTE=DJSergei;29286219]I'm really new to this. I just wanna cover some songs, how do I read chords? Please don't bite my head off for such a dumb question. I'm using an acoustic guitar[/QUOTE]
You go to the guitar discussion thread.
God damned new kids blocking the forums up :colbert:
You look at the chord diagram and do what it tells you, it's fairly simple, you put your pinky where it tells you, you barre where it tells you and you feel pain for doing this.
[QUOTE=ThunderGod;29375443]Badman. You clearly don't know shit about chords.[/QUOTE]
I play chords on a friend's six string bass :c00lbutt:
[QUOTE=spaceace1337;29361030]im a bassist and a drummer
[editline]22nd April 2011[/editline]
why is everyone getting so butthurt in this thread?[/QUOTE]
Hey everyone, why do you have a bassist in a band.
To translate for the drummer.
:rimshot:
[QUOTE=Franke_R!?;29375494]I play chords on a friend's six string bass :c00lbutt:[/QUOTE]
Touche.
You don't even need a six string bass to play chords. You play chords on every instruments capable of producing a melody
[QUOTE=ThunderGod;29375443]Badman. You clearly don't know shit about chords.[/QUOTE]
your right dude anyone who plays bass or drums dosent even know what a chord is
[editline]23rd April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Franke_R!?;29375494]I play chords on a friend's six string bass :c00lbutt:[/QUOTE]
i play a 6 string sir
[QUOTE=TheGuru;29376181]You play chords on every instruments capable of producing a melody[/QUOTE]
You need to be able to play more than one note at a time. A single sax could not play a chord, neither could a guitar with a single string and this is because they are not capable of producing more than one note at a time. In arrangements they usually divide up instrument sections so that together they play a chord, like 1/3 play the root, 1/3 play the third, and the rest play the fifth.
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The piano is not a prerequisite to any other instrument. If somebody wants to play the acoustic guitar it does not make sense to learn piano first. Learning to play to piano will in no way help the OP learn how to cover songs on his guitar.
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Well I'm no musician or anything but I think the point he tries to make is that you can understand chords easier on a piano than on a guitar.
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