[QUOTE=johnlmonkey;29370872]Piano is far from easy mate, sure its easy to casually play a simple song but it takes a long time to get good at it and actually play it.[/QUOTE]
Same for any instrument. Piano has much less of a beginner's curve than any other instruments. It may take a week or more for a beginning guitarist to play a simple melody nice and cleanly, while it would take a beginning pianist much much shorter. If you were to compare two complete beginners and track their progress with the same exactly material, the pianist would progress much faster. There is a big diverging point though in which the piano is used in ways which the guitar cannot be used, and this is what most pianist plays and it is a lot more difficult. This is to say what is considered good on both instruments is a good bit different in that a pianist playing most rock songs wouldn't be considered that good while a guitarist doing it likely would. A big reason for that is because of the expressiveness of the guitar.
[QUOTE=BrQ;29379810]Well I'm no musician or anything but I think the point he tries to make is that you can understand chords easier on a piano than on a guitar.[/QUOTE]
And the point I am making is that you don't need to understand chords at all to play them. Learning how chords are formed isn't going to help the OP play cover songs. All he needs is a tab and chord shapes if how to play the chords aren't provided. If there is no need for understanding, then there cannot be a reason to play the piano to gain understanding.
[QUOTE=pie_is_good;29287100][img_thumb]http://i53.tinypic.com/zn4qd5.gif[/img_thumb]
And just strum along.[/QUOTE]
Oh so once you learn this chart you only have ONE way to play an F7 chord, while you could just as well play an E7 but half a step higher... This is retarded...
[QUOTE=TheGuru;29376181]You don't even need a six string bass to play chords. You play chords on every instruments capable of producing a melody[/QUOTE]
you can't play chords on a saxophone
Just sayin
Oh yes you can,
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGJTFJIiW90[/media]
on top of that, that's not what he meant
[QUOTE=Pepin;29379630]You need to be able to play more than one note at a time. A single sax could not play a chord, neither could a guitar with a single string and this is because they are not capable of producing more than one note at a time. In arrangements they usually divide up instrument sections so that together they play a chord, like 1/3 play the root, 1/3 play the third, and the rest play the fifth.[/QUOTE]
A chord doesn't necessarily have to have all it's notes played at the same time, I guess it depends on your definition of the word 'chord'.
Besides, it is actually possible to play two notes at the same time on a saxophone. I can think of at least one way to play a 2 note chord on a 1 string guitar as well.
[QUOTE=Number-41;29382553]Oh so once you learn this chart you only have ONE way to play an F7 chord, while you could just as well play an E7 but half a step higher... This is retarded...[/QUOTE]
well that chord chart is really just centered around comfort
[editline]23rd April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TheGuru;29389440]A chord doesn't necessarily have to have all it's notes played at the same time, I guess it depends on your definition of the word 'chord'.
Besides, it is actually possible to play two notes at the same time on a saxophone. I can think of at least one way to play a 2 note chord on a 1 string guitar as well.[/QUOTE]
ya actually you are totally right, a chord is defined as a set of pitches that try to establish a tonality which includes arpeggios which of course can be played on a saxophone or a one string guitar
[QUOTE=thisispain;29390291]well that chord chart is really just centered around comfort
[editline]23rd April 2011[/editline]
ya actually you are totally right, a chord is defined as a set of pitches that try to establish a tonality which includes arpeggios which of course can be played on a saxophone or a one string guitar[/QUOTE]
I think in chords you have to sound every note simultaneously or at least have them ringing into each other to create harmony of some form, otherwise it's just an arpeggio. Besides Diminished chords don't establish tonality because they can resolve into so many different keys.
[QUOTE=ThunderGod;29397336]I think in chords you have to sound every note simultaneously or at least have them ringing into each other to create harmony of some form, otherwise it's just an arpeggio. [/QUOTE]
So when you play C E G B it's just random notes? If you want to refer to that group of notes in that order, you cannot say CMaj7, you have to say 'that random group of notes that coincidentially would sound like a CMaj7 chord if you played them all together'?...
[QUOTE=ThunderGod;29397336]I think in chords you have to sound every note simultaneously or at least have them ringing into each other to create harmony of some form, otherwise it's just an arpeggio. Besides Diminished chords don't establish tonality because they can resolve into so many different keys.[/QUOTE]
no you don't not really because arpeggio's create a harmony, ask any decent music teacher worth his/her salt
[QUOTE=spaceace1337;29289974]you are a fool
i play bass guitar and drums and i dont know shit about theory.[/QUOTE]
You make bassists look bad.
[QUOTE=Bassplaya7;29403559]You make bassists look bad.[/QUOTE]
im very good at bass actualy.
no one here has seen me play bass or drums so how can any of u judge my musicianship?
Well show us something you've written yourself then, or some improvisation.
[QUOTE=spaceace1337;29408328]im very good at bass actualy.
[/QUOTE]
Any good musician does NOT describe himself as good...
here's something i wrote who wants to take a stab at it?
[IMG]http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9113/qwrqwr.jpg[/IMG]
I'll check it out. Maybe a video later.
i wrote that when someone asked me to write something challenging for two piano's
he wasn't very amused
Love that Fsus4 omit 5 omit 7 9 chord on the second line
edit:
it even resolves to F6
[QUOTE=Number-41;29408542]Any good musician does NOT describe himself as good...[/QUOTE]
im confident with my bass playing so i think i am good
i can play rush and primus so thats some pretty challenging bass playing
[QUOTE=TheGuru;29389440]A chord doesn't necessarily have to have all it's notes played at the same time, I guess it depends on your definition of the word 'chord'.[/QUOTE]
Arpeggios are chord tones played in melody form, there is a distinct separation between notes. Arpeggios are often considered to be chords for many good reasons, but they aren't technically a chord as the notes aren't being sounded at the same time. I'm not really getting technical with this, I'm more just reiterating that a chord are two or more notes played at the same time.
I'm not very knowledge of saxophones and I think I know what you're thinking of with the guitar, but my point is that you cant play a chord with an instrument that can only produce one note at a time. You can consider an arpeggio to be a type of chord, but it wouldn't make sense to tell someone to play a chord and expect an arpeggio, or vice versa because a chord is defined as a set of notes played at the same time while arpeggios are defined as a set of notes played at a spread out interval.
Where I think this gets confusing semantically is that chords are also defined as a grouping of notes and also as a part that has a function in an composition. The term "chord progression" doesn't describe how the chords will be played, but rather what chords will be played. In the use of the word chord being discussed here, it is dealing with how the grouping of notes is being played. It seems as though you guys are arguing the other use of the word in its compositional meaning.
[QUOTE=spaceace1337;29410960]im confident with my bass playing so i think i am good
i can play rush and primus so thats some pretty challenging bass playing[/QUOTE]
Yes, but can you create your own pieces played together with a band?
[QUOTE=kirderf;29411493]Yes, but can you create your own pieces played together with a band?[/QUOTE]
i have written songs before but i wasnt very confident in them so i never used them.
i prefer writing as a band.
[QUOTE=Pepin;29411423]Arpeggios are chord tones played in melody form, there is a distinct separation between notes. Arpeggios are often considered to be chords for many good reasons, but they aren't technically a chord as the notes aren't being sounded at the same time. I'm not really getting technical with this, I'm more just reiterating that a chord are two or more notes played at the same time.
I'm not very knowledge of saxophones and I think I know what you're thinking of with the guitar, but my point is that you cant play a chord with an instrument that can only produce one note at a time. You can consider an arpeggio to be a type of chord, but it wouldn't make sense to tell someone to play a chord and expect an arpeggio, or vice versa because a chord is defined as a set of notes played at the same time while arpeggios are defined as a set of notes played at a spread out interval.
Where I think this gets confusing semantically is that chords are also defined as a grouping of notes and also as a part that has a function in an composition. The term "chord progression" doesn't describe how the chords will be played, but rather what chords will be played. In the use of the word chord being discussed here, it is dealing with how the grouping of notes is being played. It seems as though you guys are arguing the other use of the word in its compositional meaning.[/QUOTE]
no it's just you seem to be more interested in having a semantic argument
[QUOTE=thisispain;29414078]no it's just you seem to be more interested in having a semantic argument[/QUOTE]
You are referring to a chord as any combination of different notes and usually deals with triads and scales. This description does nothing not describe how the notes are played, and the argument deals with how the group of notes are played. For example: "a G major chord is made up of the notes G B D". In this context, chord is being used to describe the arrangement of notes. There is no intention to describe how the notes are played.
The second meaning of chord comes into play when describing how to play a grouping of notes. There are two possible combinations: arpeggios or playing them all at once. Playing all the notes at once is always referred to as playing a chord and playing the notes separately is always referred to as an arpeggio. Where you are and a few others are getting mixed up is that the word "chord" is explicitly used to describe how a grouping of notes is played. "Play an E minor chord" means to play all the notes at the same time because in that context, chord indicates no note separation.
If you still think I am wrong, give me specifics.
You're not wrong, but in this context it doesn't matter what you are referring to as a chord. They are still read or understood in the same exact way.
[QUOTE=spaceace1337;29410960]im confident with my bass playing so i think i am good
i can play rush and primus so thats some pretty challenging bass playing[/QUOTE]
There's no absolute scale of what is difficult or not...
[editline]25th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pepin;29417382]You are referring to a chord as any combination of different notes and usually deals with triads and scales. This description does nothing not describe how the notes are played, and the argument deals with how the group of notes are played. For example: "a G major chord is made up of the notes G B D". In this context, chord is being used to describe the arrangement of notes. There is no intention to describe how the notes are played.
The second meaning of chord comes into play when describing how to play a grouping of notes. There are two possible combinations: arpeggios or playing them all at once. Playing all the notes at once is always referred to as playing a chord and playing the notes separately is always referred to as an arpeggio. Where you are and a few others are getting mixed up is that the word "chord" is explicitly used to describe how a grouping of notes is played. "Play an E minor chord" means to play all the notes at the same time because in that context, chord indicates no note separation.
If you still think I am wrong, give me specifics.[/QUOTE]
This one time my sax teacher said to me "Play a CMaj7 chord"
and I did that. Dude you're nitpicking...
I recommend a guitar teacher, they can show you how to play each chord the most easy and efficient way, which is why I have one and I have improved a lot and I have only been playing for about 4 months.
To everyone who thinks you need theory to write music, I know almost nothing about music theory and I can write shit like this:
[url]http://soundcloud.com/sonis/will-i-ever[/url]
[url]http://soundcloud.com/sonis/familiar-places[/url]
You just need the right ear for it. I never even know what scale I'm writing tunes in lol.
[QUOTE=KmartSqrl;29425499]To everyone who thinks you need theory to write music, I know almost nothing about music theory and I can write shit like this:
[URL]http://soundcloud.com/sonis/will-i-ever[/URL]
[URL]http://soundcloud.com/sonis/familiar-places[/URL]
You just need the right ear for it. I never even know what scale I'm writing tunes in lol.[/QUOTE]
miles fucking davis said you need to learn theory so you can throw it out when writing music
[QUOTE=Number-41;29419144]There's no absolute scale of what is difficult or not...
[editline]25th April 2011[/editline]
:l
that was an incredibly stupid thing to say
so dose that mean that primus and rush is easy to play?
i mean its easy for me to play it because i dont suck but i mean if theres in no such thing as a song being more difficult then another then idk
[QUOTE=spaceace1337;29289974]you are a fool
i play bass guitar and drums and i dont know shit about theory.[/QUOTE]
Even knowing how to read notes is a part of musical theory. If you don't know how to read notes, there's something wrong here. I also took a look at your band, it's pretty good.
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