When you can see over the wheel and reach the pedals.
[QUOTE=farmatyr;33201860]Public transport?[/QUOTE]You forget that if your in the United States, public transportation is virtually non-existent, unless you live in a densely populated area. And even then it can be questionable, at best.
Anyhow, I got my license at 14. 5 years later I'm still alive and haven't killed anyone. Good for me.
[editline]12th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=The one that is;33198926]BWahahahahahha!~ Driving [I]FUN?[/I] You must be seriously out of your goddamn fucking mind, driving blows fucking dick. It's boring as fuck and honestly I hate it, bane of my existance.
Even better is that I'm 16 and hate driving.[/QUOTE]Are you kidding? I love driving. It sucks that gas is so expensive, because I would drive all the time if it was even 1/3 of the price. Its not often that if I'm not pressed for time, I will take "scenic routes" just to listen to the radio and enjoy watching things around me. Not to say I don't get pissed off at people (loads of driving behaviors piss me off to no end), but I don't let it ruin my enjoyment. And I drive a goddamn 4 door Escort, so its not like I have some fancy sports car or some shit.
[QUOTE=farmatyr;33201436]The human brain doesn't fully develop before you turn in the twenties. The minimum age should be 20.[/QUOTE]
Not everyone lives in a little tight community.
[QUOTE=farmatyr;33201436]The human brain doesn't fully develop before you turn in the twenties. The minimum age should be 20.[/QUOTE]
Even if the brain isn't fully developed, it doesn't mean one can't be responsible behind the wheel. I live on an rural area where there is literally no public transportation, and if I didn't have my car for the 40 minute drive every day, how would I get to classes?
Besides, there is a program in Saskatchewan called the probationary driving period. You need to drive with an adult with a class 5 license for the first phase, and after 9 months you can drive on your own, with only one passenger. Driving with a responsible, experienced driver in the car really helps when you're learning to be responsible behind the wheel.
I like the rules where I live, 14 - 16 learner's permit, age 15 can get a license if a drivers ed course is taken, age 16 without course.
When you are able to work, you can drive. Working age is 16, so you should get your full license at 16.
Missouri is retarded as fuck though: 15 for a permit, 16 for a restricted, 18 for a full, 21 for a full (with a little sticker that says you're 21 so you can buy booze).
And regardless of your age you HAVE to drive on a permit for six months. Or get your permit and wait six months. I don't see the point in that.
[editline]20th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=farmatyr;33201860]Public transport?[/QUOTE]
The States are notorious for lack of public transport unless you live in a high density city such as New York.
[QUOTE=farmatyr;33201436]The human brain doesn't fully develop before you turn in the twenties. The minimum age should be 20.[/QUOTE]
says the one who also thinks
[QUOTE=farmatyr;32579254]Well what's wrong with them is that they're attracted to the same sex.[/QUOTE]
because
[QUOTE=farmatyr;32595089]It's against human nature.[/QUOTE]
i dont think your opinions really matter when you've got such a stupidly fundamental view on things
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;33363226]says the one who also thinks
because
i dont think your opinions really matter when you've got such a stupidly fundamental view on things[/QUOTE]
That's pretty much the exact definition of an ad hominem argument.
[editline]20th November 2011[/editline]
Oh, and more on topic, 16's a good one. It helps to experience driving for a while before you seriously need it (such as to get a job once you're out of the house).
it's not
[editline]20th November 2011[/editline]
my point is that his views on the human body are so blindly fundamental and rooted in some silly logic that he is incapable of making an intelligent argument because all he attempts to fall back on the reasoning that "that's not how the human brain works" or "it's just not developed enough"
there is literally nothing to support his claims in both his post and the posts i called him out for and there is nothing wrong with a callout.
I suppose there are a few factors that "pull" each way.
On the one hand, lowering the age limit would allow more people to go to work, and also allow people more freedom to participate in the community.
Raising the limit may be desirable as it could reduce accidents and injuries on the road, as well as reduce the volume of traffic using the roads.
The [I]absolute[/I] lower limit would have to be the age at which people are physically able to operate a motor vehicle (IE. See over the steering wheel, reach the pedals, etc). There are devices to aid such matters, but they are intended for use in adults suffering from dwarfism or other ailments.
It gets a little ambiguous after that though. A driver must have a the mental capacity to understand the relevant laws governing motor vehicles, but a further expectation is that they have the maturity to abide by the "rules of the road", the unwritten guidelines that aid with safe, polite interaction between drivers. Statistically, drivers over the age of 25 are less accident prone than those younger than 25. At least that is the judgement car insurance companies typically go by.
I think Texas' driving age is quite fair; you can start learning to drive at the age of 16, after passing written and practical tests you get a permit to drive under certain conditions (no non-family member occupants, must have a parent guardian for "x" months, etc). After a certain period of time you get a full license. [B][I]But[/I][/B] they do offer exceptions allowing people as young as 14 to drive if financial hardship require them to work to support their family.
I think there shouldn't be a legal minimum driving age, just a common sense one - if they can pass the test safely (as in fit in the car seat, reach the pedals, see over the wheel, and so on) they should be able to get their license.
I know [i]children[/i] who can drive fairly well.
16 is fine. It's hard to go places without a vehicle. It really does cripple things.
And there's no public transit [i]anywhere[/i].
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;33369766]16 is fine. It's hard to go places without a vehicle. It really does cripple things.
And there's no public transit [i]anywhere[/i].[/QUOTE]
The nice thing about being in a small town is that having no public transportation isn't really a problem. Realistically, you can walk to your destination within 10-15 minutes. Bikes are even faster yet.
I could see it as being a pain in the ass in larger towns and cities though that lack public transport.
It's 18 here, but sometimes I think it should be higher. I have a drivers license, but I mostly use the train or the bus.
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